Uh, this is a well known ANTIFA tactic. Using borderline tactics that do injure and can kill, but not lethal enough to have it shut down immediately. If they came out guns blazing it would have been over. Throwing fire works and poorly made moltov cocktails, frozen water bottles, concrete, etc. Does not rise to the level of retaliatory use of deadly force. It’s a way to keep violence going with out giving authorities enough justification to mow them down with a .50 cal machine gun.
Again, this is a well known tactic.
And your support for their actions kind of alarms me. Hundreds of police officers have been seriously hurt all over country from these “…pasty white, booger-eating, communist shitheads”.
Are you saying the violence is ok? Would you welcome it in your neighborhood?
Some of this has moved into the suburbs, I posted an article about the forgotten places that have suffered from the violence. Don’t think they will spare you.
Hmm, I’ll have to keep an eye out on this story and see what develops. Could still be unrelated (his political beliefs). Hopefully justice catches up with his killer and people get answers.
Why are you asking me? seems youve made up your mind that i do support all the violence against everyone… except against Antifa.
I asked, because no I do not think you support violence in general, but I see you running defense for the rioters. Which is why I asked.
If I want a direct answer, I ask a direct question.
If it helps, I will make it very clear that I am fine with actual peaceful protesting, even tolerate a little civil disobedience.
But this shit has devolved into pure madness. There is nothing peaceful about them anymore. They are either violent or running blocker for the violent protesters and in my mind there is no distinction. And sorry but this is all coming from the left. The alt-left is doing the violence and the left-wing is running defense for them in the government and the media… I find the media and political defense of the violence more scary than the violence itself. When @liftangryordie500 asked “is the news lying to me?” because the answer was overtly obvious, especially in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence to the spun narrative.
I stupidly made the assumption that everybody knows the MSM are liars of epic proportions. Hell, editors and bigwigs leaving those media organization because of the lying are publicly calling out their organizations for lying. And people still believe them.
So, I am sure it begs the question where I get information from. The answer is many places. I do use MSM for general info, but I go to local on the ground reporting, independent media and journalists and try to get info on the same topic from both right and left sources. And even then, I am only moderately comfortable that I have the facts mostly right.
The good news is that MS media distrust is at an all time high, the bad news is that there people who trust the MSM at all.
The deal is simple. If the local municipality can protect the federal property, then the feds don’t need to be there. The up-staffing was intended only for the weekend in anticipation of violence. This was the plan all along. The ‘skeleton crew’ is just normal federal staffing.
If violence comes back to federal property, the feds will be back.
Where did you find out those details on the deal? Mind sharing?
Also, you have it backwards, the uptick in violence and size of the riots was in response to to the increased presence of federal agents.
No, it wasn’t. The feds were there to protect federal property in anticipation of increased violence over the weekend. If the feds were causing the violence on federal property, they wouldn’t be leaving because the violence would still be happening. As it happened, there was plenty of violence in the city, just not at the courthouse and other federal properties.
How do I know? I have hyper attention on the issue as it concerns me greatly.
On the lighter side, if you want to protest, do what this chick did. What you can be sure of, as weird as it was, she was not hiding any weapons. Just going for her 15 minutes…
Edit: Okay, Okay, I knew that was the plan because AG Barr said so yesterday during his ‘yell at him and don’t let him answer’ session in front of some of the stupidest people on the face of the earth.
No. I’d say it’s more of a “federalize all police” movement, if I had to guess. I do believe the desire is to eliminate local and state power completely. Then…well, I don’t think anyone is going to feel freer or safer.
Haha well this should be interesting. Governor says the feds will start leaving tomorrow, feds say they will start leaving when riots outside their properties ends.
Either state/local police will be cracking down hard tonight, or the governor is attempting to gaslight the protests and riots by saying the federal authorities went back on their word and continue their hostile “occupation” of portland.
Please be joking…
So, it seems to me that if there is to be a draw down (of forces that are almost exclusively confined to federal property as it is) it’ll be because the Governor has allowed and moved local and state law enforcement into the role of keeping the Federal Courthouse and its security detail safe. Keeping the destruction and violence local. If it seems she is able to do so, then they can leave a regular security force behind.
Let’s remember, for the most part the feds have only pushed out as their fences have been breached and then falling back into the courthouse.
Now we’ll witness state and local law enforcement having to remain outside facing these crowds, their lasers, their missiles, their incendiaries the entire time in order to hold up their end of whatever bargain. And the result will fall directly on the governor.
If she and local/state law enforcement are unable, the Feds are vindicated.
If they can keep the courthouse safe, but only by coming out ontop of some rather rough clashes with rioters, the Feds are vindicated. In fact, it could end up making the Feds look very restrained in comparison.
She better hope the rioters go all peace, love, and harmony on her real quick.
I believe this had already been the case for a while- that local/state had been the ones mostly handling the protection of the courthouse- and the protests/riots had been fairly small and benign. Then on July 4th the feds had enough of the nightly rioting and bullshit and started sending more DHS out there in an attempt to fully squash it. When word got out about the off-site activities in unmarked vans of some DHS agents, and then trumps very public announcements of sending more DHS agents against the wishes of local and state authorities it really fired up the rioters and caused the bigger riots of the past week or so.
I agree, if the state/local cops crackdown hard they could make the feds look much more sympathetic. But, i get the feeling that the local authorities are content to allow low level sustained rioting, while the feds are only content with no rioting. I wonder if the governor and DHS have worked out the specifics of what quantifiable metrics would trigger the drawdown of federal officers?
It will be interesting to see what will happen to these riot types if the government shows no leniency and they see their comrades facing long federal sentences which, I believe come without possibility of parole. There might be some dopey parents spending their retirement funds on attorneys.
This is what Wheeler had to say on July 3rd.
They were already trying to burn down the Courthouse and maim/kill Feds by the time any such story came out. As their duty demands they responded with more personnel.
You try to destroy Federal property, federal police show up. I mean…
By July 3rd there had already been a month of nightly violence. Just how long are we all to allow overgrown infants have their little purge while becoming embolden and more organized.
How about restore law and order?
How the hell is a riot “mostly benign”? Small is questionable as well. Hundreds to thousands of rioters nightly for 63 days hardly sound either small and definitely not benign. The federal government did not even intervene until day 39. There was not a federal presence even there.
There were 2 occasions where DHS went out in rental vans to detain suspects and guess what? They are allowed to do that, as long as there has been law enforcement the police are allowed to detain a person for a specified length of time. Unmarked vehicles are not new by any stretch.
The federal government not only has the right, but the duty to protect federal property.
The violence, by “…pasty-white, booger eating, communist shitheads.” is not minor, it’s not random, its not innocent, and not uncoordinated.
This shit is very dangerous.
If the government of Oregon stopped the the violence when it started, none of this would be a problem. They not only didn’t stop it, they encouraged it so they are complicit. I have no faith this will end well. People will die before it’s over.
How is this benign?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1288020625995395078
It’s funny how he changed his tune and sided with the criminals, only to have them attack him. No spine, balls or integrity.
I mean, I hope these folks truly understand that they’re not writing graffiti on their local 7-11, but taking hostile and violent measures against the US through destruction of federal property and attacks on our personnel. Just hope they’ve thought it through and have accepted the repercussions.