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[quote]fraggle wrote:

I don’t know much about cannon, but yeah, there wasn’t a whole lot in common between the film and comic. Are you are saying it was never intended to be a punisher movie, but just a way to suck money out of fans through the name? [/quote]

Basically, yes. I don’t have solid proof but I believe that the basic story of Punisher '89 was from an unproduced martial arts movie script. Now it could just be that chopsocky movies were big business back then, but that kind of thing was surprisingly common practice for straight-to-video movie companies. Van Damme’s Cyborg was only made because Cannon ran into financial difficulties while trying to film a Spider-Man movie (Marvel sold off the movie rights for a pittance back then to save themselves from bankruptcy) and a Masters of the Universe sequel. They merged the two projects, cobbled together a script and gave us Cyborg:

http://www.dolph-ultimate.com/dolph-in/masters2.html

[quote]
I generally agree with you about 2004, except that I thought Travolta sucked. [/quote]

Fair enough. I just think he has a habit of overdoing his villainous roles (e.g Swordfish, Broken Arrow). I was pleasantly surprised that he kept himself in check for once.

[quote]
The biggest problem I have with his film treatment is that they make completely unnecessary changes from the comics, time after time. The punisher back story is elegant in it’s simplicity. Random unpredictable event destroys everything highly skilled veteran has to live for. Justice is denied through ordinary channels, and boom the Punisher is born. The right person could do a lot with the psychological/philosophical aspect, and still make a kick ass action movie.[/quote]

Yeah, you’re right. But it’s almost too simple. They don’t trust the material enough and have to embellish it in the wrong way. And dare I say that Punisher is too dark for a studio to ever interpret. He’s basically a serial killer who targets criminals (which is why I made the parallels with Dexter earlier)…he’d normally be the bad guy, except the criminals are so much worse.

That’s why they get it wrong.

[quote]
I didn’t actually see all of War Zone, as my inlaws had rented it and I had to leave with about a half hour left. It was bad enough that I didn’t feel the need to finish. One part that stuck out was the unrealistic violence, as in, somebody gets shot and they fly thirty feet. It kind of went over the top on gore as well. I at least like the semblance of realism in movies that don’t involve magic or superpowers.[/quote]

Exactly. They do everything they can to avoid doing what they should be doing. Trying to emulate the success of other superhero properties is going to kill the genre off sooner rather than later. If they’d only focus on the comics and look at the reasons why some sold well and some died out, and think about why they bought a certain character, we’d all be better off.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
War Zone sucked. I can’t believe I even watched it all of the way through once…and with the guy from The Wire in it, I thought it had a chance.

That was some of the worst writing and direction in a movie ever. It was like they ignored that people don’t want “camp” in their super hero movies anymore.[/quote]

After the punch through the skull scene i just stopped the dvd and went to do something else.

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A new way to play FPS games?

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]fraggle wrote:

I don’t know much about cannon, but yeah, there wasn’t a whole lot in common between the film and comic. Are you are saying it was never intended to be a punisher movie, but just a way to suck money out of fans through the name? [/quote]

Basically, yes. I don’t have solid proof but I believe that the basic story of Punisher '89 was from an unproduced martial arts movie script. Now it could just be that chopsocky movies were big business back then, but that kind of thing was surprisingly common practice for straight-to-video movie companies. Van Damme’s Cyborg was only made because Cannon ran into financial difficulties while trying to film a Spider-Man movie (Marvel sold off the movie rights for a pittance back then to save themselves from bankruptcy) and a Masters of the Universe sequel. They merged the two projects, cobbled together a script and gave us Cyborg:

http://www.dolph-ultimate.com/dolph-in/masters2.html

[quote]
I generally agree with you about 2004, except that I thought Travolta sucked. [/quote]

Fair enough. I just think he has a habit of overdoing his villainous roles (e.g Swordfish, Broken Arrow). I was pleasantly surprised that he kept himself in check for once.

[quote]
The biggest problem I have with his film treatment is that they make completely unnecessary changes from the comics, time after time. The punisher back story is elegant in it’s simplicity. Random unpredictable event destroys everything highly skilled veteran has to live for. Justice is denied through ordinary channels, and boom the Punisher is born. The right person could do a lot with the psychological/philosophical aspect, and still make a kick ass action movie.[/quote]

Yeah, you’re right. But it’s almost too simple. They don’t trust the material enough and have to embellish it in the wrong way. And dare I say that Punisher is too dark for a studio to ever interpret. He’s basically a serial killer who targets criminals (which is why I made the parallels with Dexter earlier)…he’d normally be the bad guy, except the criminals are so much worse.

That’s why they get it wrong.

[quote]
I didn’t actually see all of War Zone, as my inlaws had rented it and I had to leave with about a half hour left. It was bad enough that I didn’t feel the need to finish. One part that stuck out was the unrealistic violence, as in, somebody gets shot and they fly thirty feet. It kind of went over the top on gore as well. I at least like the semblance of realism in movies that don’t involve magic or superpowers.[/quote]

Exactly. They do everything they can to avoid doing what they should be doing. Trying to emulate the success of other superhero properties is going to kill the genre off sooner rather than later. If they’d only focus on the comics and look at the reasons why some sold well and some died out, and think about why they bought a certain character, we’d all be better off.[/quote]

Good post, I remember wondering why the first one was so different from the comics.

I agree with pretty much everything, but I don’t think of him as a serial killer in the same way as Dexter. He is something different, that I don’t think would ever really exist outside of comics.

Dexter gets joy out of kills, whereas the Punisher doesn’t. There is compulsion in both cases, but there is a different source for it. Both have roots in the loss of their families, but Dexter, at least as far as I understand it, has the biological differences predisposing him to be a serial killer, which the Punisher lacks.

Dexter views being a serial killer as part of who he is, as well as father, brother, friend, etc.

The Punisher views himself as justice, or punishment for those that deserve it. He practically has no other identity. Microchip is a “friend”, but is more of an asset than anything else.

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
War Zone sucked. I can’t believe I even watched it all of the way through once…and with the guy from The Wire in it, I thought it had a chance.

That was some of the worst writing and direction in a movie ever. It was like they ignored that people don’t want “camp” in their super hero movies anymore.[/quote]

After the punch through the skull scene i just stopped the dvd and went to do something else.

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Lucky bastard I saw it in the theatre and the sad part is they actually tried to bring stuff in from the comic, that “black irish” gang was in the book but the acting was so bad you didn’t know what accent they where trying to do and the violence was just so over the top it became satire instead of an actio film, sad really.
Oh lest we forget another of Marvel’s fuck ups FF2 was really really bad the surfer was just lame and the story just dragged on.

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[quote]fraggle wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]fraggle wrote:

I don’t know much about cannon, but yeah, there wasn’t a whole lot in common between the film and comic. Are you are saying it was never intended to be a punisher movie, but just a way to suck money out of fans through the name? [/quote]

Basically, yes. I don’t have solid proof but I believe that the basic story of Punisher '89 was from an unproduced martial arts movie script. Now it could just be that chopsocky movies were big business back then, but that kind of thing was surprisingly common practice for straight-to-video movie companies. Van Damme’s Cyborg was only made because Cannon ran into financial difficulties while trying to film a Spider-Man movie (Marvel sold off the movie rights for a pittance back then to save themselves from bankruptcy) and a Masters of the Universe sequel. They merged the two projects, cobbled together a script and gave us Cyborg:

http://www.dolph-ultimate.com/dolph-in/masters2.html

[quote]
I generally agree with you about 2004, except that I thought Travolta sucked. [/quote]

Fair enough. I just think he has a habit of overdoing his villainous roles (e.g Swordfish, Broken Arrow). I was pleasantly surprised that he kept himself in check for once.

[quote]
The biggest problem I have with his film treatment is that they make completely unnecessary changes from the comics, time after time. The punisher back story is elegant in it’s simplicity. Random unpredictable event destroys everything highly skilled veteran has to live for. Justice is denied through ordinary channels, and boom the Punisher is born. The right person could do a lot with the psychological/philosophical aspect, and still make a kick ass action movie.[/quote]

Yeah, you’re right. But it’s almost too simple. They don’t trust the material enough and have to embellish it in the wrong way. And dare I say that Punisher is too dark for a studio to ever interpret. He’s basically a serial killer who targets criminals (which is why I made the parallels with Dexter earlier)…he’d normally be the bad guy, except the criminals are so much worse.

That’s why they get it wrong.

[quote]
I didn’t actually see all of War Zone, as my inlaws had rented it and I had to leave with about a half hour left. It was bad enough that I didn’t feel the need to finish. One part that stuck out was the unrealistic violence, as in, somebody gets shot and they fly thirty feet. It kind of went over the top on gore as well. I at least like the semblance of realism in movies that don’t involve magic or superpowers.[/quote]

Exactly. They do everything they can to avoid doing what they should be doing. Trying to emulate the success of other superhero properties is going to kill the genre off sooner rather than later. If they’d only focus on the comics and look at the reasons why some sold well and some died out, and think about why they bought a certain character, we’d all be better off.[/quote]

Good post, I remember wondering why the first one was so different from the comics.

I agree with pretty much everything, but I don’t think of him as a serial killer in the same way as Dexter. He is something different, that I don’t think would ever really exist outside of comics.

Dexter gets joy out of kills, whereas the Punisher doesn’t. There is compulsion in both cases, but there is a different source for it. Both have roots in the loss of their families, but Dexter, at least as far as I understand it, has the biological differences predisposing him to be a serial killer, which the Punisher lacks.

Dexter views being a serial killer as part of who he is, as well as father, brother, friend, etc.

The Punisher views himself as justice, or punishment for those that deserve it. He practically has no other identity. Microchip is a “friend”, but is more of an asset than anything else.[/quote]

I mentioned Dexter as the nearest TV counterpart to a ‘true’ Punisher we’ve had. I didn’t mean to imply that a Punisher series should be a retread of Dexter, just in that ballpark.

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[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
War Zone sucked. I can’t believe I even watched it all of the way through once…and with the guy from The Wire in it, I thought it had a chance.

That was some of the worst writing and direction in a movie ever. It was like they ignored that people don’t want “camp” in their super hero movies anymore.[/quote]

After the punch through the skull scene i just stopped the dvd and went to do something else.

[/quote]
Lucky bastard I saw it in the theatre and the sad part is they actually tried to bring stuff in from the comic, that “black irish” gang was in the book but the acting was so bad you didn’t know what accent they where trying to do and the violence was just so over the top it became satire instead of an actio film, sad really.
Oh lest we forget another of Marvel’s fuck ups FF2 was really really bad the surfer was just lame and the story just dragged on.[/quote]

OK just for the RECORD, Fantastic Four and Fantastic Four 2 was not movies. It was a public rape scene played out for the amusement of Rich Movie producers.

“HAHAHAHA SMOKES CIGAR AND JERKS OFF ON A PIC OF STAN LEE. MUUAAAAHAHAH F*CK YOUR CHILDREN, MUUUAHAAAAA”

I thought they could not get worse than what they did. They had Jessica Alba and to be honest a damn good choice for Johnny Blaze but the rest of the cast was a JOKE.

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Well, they won’ be making any more with that cast…but it does suck they even made two movies like that.

Johnny Storm was best cast. Everyone else and that script…should have been set ablaze after they cast him.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Well, they won’ be making any more with that cast…but it does suck they even made two movies like that.

Johnny Storm was best cast. Everyone else and that script…should have been set ablaze after they cast him.[/quote]

A Multi-MILLION dollar movie, mega bucks and the best the could do for the THING a damn near 40yr old comic book character a MAJOR part of the story…was to put get a guy from the pottery shop to come by and slap clay on the actor…Really Middle finger up to everyone that had a part in this movie

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
War Zone sucked. I can’t believe I even watched it all of the way through once…and with the guy from The Wire in it, I thought it had a chance.

That was some of the worst writing and direction in a movie ever. It was like they ignored that people don’t want “camp” in their super hero movies anymore.[/quote]

After the punch through the skull scene i just stopped the dvd and went to do something else.

[/quote]
Lucky bastard I saw it in the theatre and the sad part is they actually tried to bring stuff in from the comic, that “black irish” gang was in the book but the acting was so bad you didn’t know what accent they where trying to do and the violence was just so over the top it became satire instead of an actio film, sad really.
Oh lest we forget another of Marvel’s fuck ups FF2 was really really bad the surfer was just lame and the story just dragged on.[/quote]

OK just for the RECORD, Fantastic Four and Fantastic Four 2 was not movies. It was a public rape scene played out for the amusement of Rich Movie producers.

“HAHAHAHA SMOKES CIGAR AND JERKS OFF ON A PIC OF STAN LEE. MUUAAAAHAHAH F*CK YOUR CHILDREN, MUUUAHAAAAA”

I thought they could not get worse than what they did. They had Jessica Alba and to be honest a damn good choice for Johnny Blaze but the rest of the cast was a JOKE.[/quote]
I thought Michael Chiklis was a pretty good Thing, tough guy heart of gold smarter than he let’s on street wise etc etc.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Well, they won’ be making any more with that cast…but it does suck they even made two movies like that.

Johnny Storm was best cast. Everyone else and that script…should have been set ablaze after they cast him.[/quote]

A Multi-MILLION dollar movie, mega bucks and the best the could do for the THING a damn near 40yr old comic book character a MAJOR part of the story…was to put get a guy from the pottery shop to come by and slap clay on the actor…Really Middle finger up to everyone that had a part in this movie

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Better than the grade z Roger Corman one

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^ I’m trying really hard to see the dif…hahahahahah

Matching Turds.

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[quote]four60 wrote:
^ I’m trying really hard to see the dif…hahahahahah

Matching Turds.[/quote]
The brow is more pronounced and I think in the newer film they tried to give Grimm’s face a more “humanlike” appearence to help make the actor show through

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Corman’s FF was a masterpiece considering that it was made in two weeks, was never meant for release and they only made it to hold on to the rights.

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[quote]RSGZ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Seriously doubt we will see a PS4 before 2013. They know their audience now. It isn’t all kids who will just buy shit because its the in thing to do. If I plug down damn near 500 bucks for an entertainment system like this, it had better have enough new up grades to make it worth it.

Right now, Sony did a good job making the PS3 an all around entertainment system. It is pretty much all I watch.[/quote]

If they don’t and MS does, Sony is going to lose a lot of customers, provided the Xbox Next is a genuinely worthy upgrade. Obviously, this goes both ways - but if either of those rumours is true I’d be willing to bet they will try to be relatively close to each-others launch times.

I’m curious to see where they’ll go with it though. Other than beefing up internals, what more can they do?[/quote]

Teach 3rd party developers how to properly utilize the cell processor?

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About the Punisher–

I liked the first one and I liked War Zone. They represent the violence in Frank Castle’s life and his single minded obsession. I don’t believe you can make a great Punisher movie. He’s too violent and too driven. There’s no bullshit “What I have done with my life” bullshit that Batman goes through.

Plus, seeing Dolph Lundgren bust through a glass wall and throw a knife into a bitch’s forehead was epic.

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OK…I do believe I could play an entire game with nothing but watching Cat Woman as the lead. This is why Tomb Raider sold out. They’ve gone and done better but gave her such a small role?

One artistic addition (breasts that jiggle while fighting) would make this game go down in history as one of the greatest.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
OK…I do believe I could play an entire game with nothing but watching Cat Woman as the lead. This is why Tomb Raider sold out. They’ve gone and done better but gave her such a small role?

One artistic addition (breasts that jiggle while fighting) would make this game go down in history as one of the greatest.[/quote]

That sounds like almost every Japanese fighting game, shit they even coined the term “breast physics” because of it. On that note PLEASE TELL ME someone saw Batman Year One: and watched the Catwoman showcase! The strip club scene was the most sexual innuendo filled ones I’ve ever seen in a DC movie! I mean there was a point where it looked like:

SPOILER ALERT!!!

The stripper was gonna pick up a diamond with her snatch!!

SPOILER OVER

It was pretty damn sexy, Also the Batman Year One movie was great IMO, the story was excellent and I loved the fact that they made Commissioner Gordon a flawed character. Wasn’t a big fan of the voice actor they had play Batman, he sounded like he was trying to do his best Kevin Conroy and failed. All in all it’s a damn good vid and another example why DC is king when it comes to it’s Animated properties.

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I liked the Catwoman short film better than Batman: Year One. Probably the longest animated strip tease I’ve ever seen.

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
OK…I do believe I could play an entire game with nothing but watching Cat Woman as the lead. This is why Tomb Raider sold out. They’ve gone and done better but gave her such a small role?

One artistic addition (breasts that jiggle while fighting) would make this game go down in history as one of the greatest.[/quote]

That sounds like almost every Japanese fighting game, shit they even coined the term “breast physics” because of it. On that note PLEASE TELL ME someone saw Batman Year One: and watched the Catwoman showcase! The strip club scene was the most sexual innuendo filled ones I’ve ever seen in a DC movie! I mean there was a point where it looked like:

SPOILER ALERT!!!

The stripper was gonna pick up a diamond with her snatch!!

SPOILER OVER

It was pretty damn sexy, Also the Batman Year One movie was great IMO, the story was excellent and I loved the fact that they made Commissioner Gordon a flawed character. Wasn’t a big fan of the voice actor they had play Batman, he sounded like he was trying to do his best Kevin Conroy and failed. All in all it’s a damn good vid and another example why DC is king when it comes to it’s Animated properties. [/quote]

DC pays you to promote their garbage, Pootie. At least I promote Marvel out of love for Thor and Sabretooth.