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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
The FIRST Superman movie is one we should all praise…because it is the first time they even attempted a realistic look at an idea like that. Remember, all we had before that was the 1960’s Batman.

Without that movie, there would be no Dark Knight right now and most of this shit would still be just for kids.[/quote]
The first two where filmed together and the scene where Reeve “burns” his hand and does the whole takes off glasses to reveal he is superman shows both Reeve was great underrated actor, and Donner knew how to set up a scene[/quote]

I appreciate the attempt but I just did not like the movie. The only part I felt they got right was the helicopter scene. It showed Superman go from Clark to Supes in way they never got right again.

Its amazing they got right what they did on the first movie. IF you ever get a chance to see the extended making of vids look them up. They didn’t even know how to go about superman. They had him as a wizard in a couple first drafts.[/quote]

Uh, dude, that’s the point. Nitpicking what they did when what they did stood as a benchmark for everything afterwards is just wrong.

The first Batman movie was only taken seriously because of Superman.

When did you watch the movie? last week?[/quote]

hahahaha OH man thats Cold X…thats cold.

I’m old man I’m 43 I seen that when it came out.

I was also a comic book colector at that age. And I was not one of the ones that went in expecting little from the movie I expected a LOT. And yes I’ll admit going in with a bias is not a great way to start but I did.

I’m a Super Hero fan from the get go.

I had a love hate for the Superfriends becuase they also didn’t feel the show could be as it was without a eat your vegies theme put in and the wondertwins where a step up from the other two teen scobies.

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How can you hate the movie if you were born in the 1920’s?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
How can you hate the movie if you were born in the 1920’s?[/quote]

I didn’t like many white people in the 20’3 30’s and 40’s and Super White people scared the bajibas’ out of me.

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But on the real, OK maybe HATE is to strong a word, becasue even know I can remember take from take of the original flick and its been years since I seen it. The start had great promise. The part with the father (Brando) and the boy racing the train.

It fell apart as he became a man HE was a man and everyone else was almost a bufoon a clown. The bad guys were bad but to comical. I agree it set a tone that gave hope to better hero movies and it also gave a bump to the comic writers to come out with better stories.

Just as an around 10yr old kid I was hoping for more.

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Kal-El’s dad can beat up your dad…[/quote]

Odin > Jor-El
Thor > Superman

Marvel > DC

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Wol, are Thor’s nutz “god flavored”?[/quote]

You’ll never know, non-believer. You have fun watching Superman returns. I loved the part where Kumar shanks Superman.[/quote]

You have fun watching X-Men. I loved the part where Sabretooth is portrayed as a dumb lug henchman. Have even more fun watching Wolverine where they got rid of Tyler Mane (contrary to popular belief, he’s a perfectly good actor based on his role in Troy) and cast Liev Schreiber because he wanted to play Creed, not Stryker, then tried to explain the change by saying that a supposedly bloodthirsty killer embraced his wild side and devolved/ evolved into the aforementioned dumb lug henchman we see in X-Men…who doesn’t actually kill anyone.[/quote]

Yep, Fox studios butchered my Sabretooth character. Just like Kumar butchered Superman. I’m surprised he didn’t rape him too. Superman was screaming like a bitch.
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Fox can’t reboot their way out of this one. Singer helmed both movies. Technically, Man of Steel is the first Superman reboot and Russell Crowe seems to have a knack for choosing good movies. That’s a very good sign that he’d agree to play Jor-El.

It isn’t about Marvel vs. DC. I hate shitty comic book adaptations with a passion because they’ve taken graphic novels, turned 'em into Oscar nominated movies (A History of Violence; Road to Perdition) but people generally don’t see these as comic book movies because there are no “costumes” and no “powers”.

P.S. David Cronenberg would own a Punisher movie.[/quote]

Why David Cronenberg?
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A History of Violence, The Fly, Eastern Promises…[/quote]

But do you really believe that Frank Castle has enough substance to be made into a movie of such high quality? They’ve had three attempts and none have met expectations.

Action: First and Third
Drama: Second
Frank Castle’s insane drive: First and Third

I don’t its possible.
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It’s all there in the comics. They overlook substance when they just see the costume. How can any decades old character not have substance? Cronenberg could do it because it’s his style and he’s successfully adapted a graphic novel without most people knowing it was a GN (see the clips I added to my last post).[/quote]

Good point. I wish I had better Punisher questions for you.

Where’s Prof X when you need him.
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The clips didn’t take. I’m talking about the Cafe scene in A History of Violence and the Turkish bath house scene in Eastern Promises.

If The Punisher hits the small screen it should be through HBO, not Fox.[/quote]

I have to be honest, I prefer the Punisher movies over this. [/quote]

Wol, have you seen A History of Violence and Eastern Promises? I ask because violent movies don’t always depict violence in the same way. I’m not one for wall to wall violence - I prefer moments of intense, concentrated action. That’s why I like Cronenberg’s use of violence and Frank Castle’s encounters with Harry Heck and the Russian in Punisher 2004.

Should a live-action Punisher be about Castle shooting everything in sight, or should they build the bad guys up and keep Castle in the shadows?[/quote]

I’ve watched A history of Violence in theaters and it was a good movie. Haven’t seen Eastern Promises. When I think of Punisher, I imagine this:

Punisher is violent, unforgiving, and relentless. I think most people think of Punisher like that.

But in all honesty, I don’t read many Punisher comics. So yes, my view is limited.

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The missing ingredient is that they need to build up the enemies as truly sadistic bastards who genuinely make the world a more miserable place to live in just by sharing air with them. The criminals we’ve had so far have just been cannon fodder. Castle needs to almost be relegated to a supporting role. He faces overwhelming odds, so make them overwhelming first , then let him clean up.

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^ some of the best takes of the Punisher are the ones done by Garth ennis.
That guy knew how to write superheros as human

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That’s pretty much the only reason to read “Red Hood and the Outlaws”, and you just got it for free. It could have been a badass title starring three of DC’s B-listers. Too bad Scott Lobdell is a sad hack of a writer, and dropped the ball. This is a title that would have been better off starting from scratch, but for some reason it tries to retcon the last 30 years of Teen Titans history. Kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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[quote]Bujo wrote:
That’s pretty much the only reason to read “Red Hood and the Outlaws”, and you just got it for free. It could have been a badass title starring three of DC’s B-listers. Too bad Scott Lobdell is a sad hack of a writer, and dropped the ball. This is a title that would have been better off starting from scratch, but for some reason it tries to retcon the last 30 years of Teen Titans history. Kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth.[/quote]

7 year old girls rant aside— turning firestar into a sex fiend is not something I’m going to complain about.

Raping the oomics origins, yes, sex fiend, no.

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[quote]corstijeir wrote:

7 year old girls rant aside— turning firestar into a sex fiend is not something I’m going to complain about.

Raping the oomics origins, yes, sex fiend, no.[/quote]

Except she’s not even a good sex fiend. She had all the vigor and excitement for sex as I have for vacuuming the living room floor.

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[quote]Bujo wrote:
That’s pretty much the only reason to read “Red Hood and the Outlaws”, and you just got it for free. It could have been a badass title starring three of DC’s B-listers. Too bad Scott Lobdell is a sad hack of a writer, and dropped the ball. This is a title that would have been better off starting from scratch, but for some reason it tries to retcon the last 30 years of Teen Titans history. Kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth.[/quote]
Yep I was looking forward to this book and a few others and I’m sorry to say DC is really disapointing me with the whole reboot. I’m still waiting for them to say just kidding this is actually just a huge crisis crossover and put everything back to some semblance of “normal”.

Also I want to assassinate Dan Dido I fucking hate hime I will pee on his grave, he shits on comics and needs to be destroyed. This clown is the reason we won’t be seeing Wally anytime soon, even though he’s been Flash longer than Barry and he was a better one, he is the reason we continue to have that lame ass Power Ranger rip off Blue Beetle, this man is PURE EVIL

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[quote]roybot wrote:

The missing ingredient is that they need to build up the enemies as truly sadistic bastards who genuinely make the world a more miserable place to live in just by sharing air with them. The criminals we’ve had so far have just been cannon fodder. Castle needs to almost be relegated to a supporting role. He faces overwhelming odds, so make them overwhelming first , then let him clean up.[/quote]

Has anyone seen the movie Drive? Now technically it was advertised all wrong and it wasn’t a Fast N Furious-esque movie where plot is second place and unbelievable action first. The movie moved EXTREMELY slow initially and started to piss me off but it kept building the tension and you felt something happening under the surface. Then BAM shotgun to the face! Then the movie just went bonkers. The tension was palpable and the payoff never disappointing.

Now I wouldn’t suggest that A Punisher movie start out so slow but I think it needs to build to a psycho frenzy not just start out with violence and desensitize us by the end of the movie.

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[quote]four60 wrote:
But on the real, OK maybe HATE is to strong a word, becasue even know I can remember take from take of the original flick and its been years since I seen it. The start had great promise. The part with the father (Brando) and the boy racing the train.

It fell apart as he became a man HE was a man and everyone else was almost a bufoon a clown. The bad guys were bad but to comical. I agree it set a tone that gave hope to better hero movies and it also gave a bump to the comic writers to come out with better stories.

Just as an around 10yr old kid I was hoping for more.[/quote]

I got a soft place in my heart for the second Superman movie, when I was a kid that was an action packed masterpiece. I watched it a couple months ago and realized it was a comedy. Zod made that movie! Without his over the top performance it would have been missing something.

The other movies 3 & 4? I mean Richard Pryer a computer genius? Fighting a chick made out of microchips? Some knock off of Lex Luthor? The best part was crazy superman in the bar, I was confused as fuck when he split into two and fought himself in the junkyard. A quest for peace was just plain stupid.

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[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

Yep I was looking forward to this book and a few others and I’m sorry to say DC is really disapointing me with the whole reboot. I’m still waiting for them to say just kidding this is actually just a huge crisis crossover and put everything back to some semblance of “normal”.

Also I want to assassinate Dan Dido I fucking hate hime I will pee on his grave, he shits on comics and needs to be destroyed. This clown is the reason we won’t be seeing Wally anytime soon, even though he’s been Flash longer than Barry and he was a better one, he is the reason we continue to have that lame ass Power Ranger rip off Blue Beetle, this man is PURE EVIL[/quote]

Amen, brother.

I completely agree. I bought all the new 52. As I read the books each title goes on either my keep list or “gets the boot” list. Right now, the boot list is filling up faster. I think a lot of the stupid shit in these new titles could have been avoided by just wiping the slate clean and starting new, which I thought was the whole point of the DCNewU.

Didio’s hard-on for the silverage characters pisses me off too. Bringing Hal back was cool until he side lined John Stewart. Guy and Kyle got their own book, but Stewart pretty much just disappeared. I can’t say that bringing Barry back has done anything interesting at all. I don’t see what Barry brings to the table that Wally didn’t have covered already. I think I’m just gonna go back to collecting trades, and watching all the animated series.

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

The missing ingredient is that they need to build up the enemies as truly sadistic bastards who genuinely make the world a more miserable place to live in just by sharing air with them. The criminals we’ve had so far have just been cannon fodder. Castle needs to almost be relegated to a supporting role. He faces overwhelming odds, so make them overwhelming first , then let him clean up.[/quote]

Has anyone seen the movie Drive? Now technically it was advertised all wrong and it wasn’t a Fast N Furious-esque movie where plot is second place and unbelievable action first. The movie moved EXTREMELY slow initially and started to piss me off but it kept building the tension and you felt something happening under the surface. Then BAM shotgun to the face! Then the movie just went bonkers. The tension was palpable and the payoff never disappointing.

Now I wouldn’t suggest that A Punisher movie start out so slow but I think it needs to build to a psycho frenzy not just start out with violence and desensitize us by the end of the movie.[/quote]

Drive is a gem of a movie. It seems to have a solid following here, but outside in the “real” world opinions are split. I personally think it’s ridiculous that anyone would walk into to a movie that clearly isn’t FatF then go as far as to sue the makers for attempting to make something different (I’m referring to this woman : http://gofacebing.com/index.php/2011/10/woman-michigan-sues-drive-distributor-movie-theater-film-very-driving/ ).

I’d love to see a Punisher movie in the same mold as Drive, or at least made with the same creative spirit. Sure, pile on the violence, but maybe punctuate the gore with flashbacks to Castle’s life with his wife and kids before they died. Make them characters as well. Let us see what he lost. No need to give him companions, just alternate between what Castle was and what he is. That would be really effective, not too arty and very easily done.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
The FIRST Superman movie is one we should all praise…because it is the first time they even attempted a realistic look at an idea like that. Remember, all we had before that was the 1960’s Batman.

Without that movie, there would be no Dark Knight right now and most of this shit would still be just for kids.[/quote]
The first two where filmed together and the scene where Reeve “burns” his hand and does the whole takes off glasses to reveal he is superman shows both Reeve was great underrated actor, and Donner knew how to set up a scene[/quote]

I appreciate the attempt but I just did not like the movie. The only part I felt they got right was the helicopter scene. It showed Superman go from Clark to Supes in way they never got right again.

Its amazing they got right what they did on the first movie. IF you ever get a chance to see the extended making of vids look them up. They didn’t even know how to go about superman. They had him as a wizard in a couple first drafts.[/quote]

…LOL. I read years ago that some of Brando’s ideas for Jor-El’s look ranged from “a giant bagel” to “a green suitcase making electronic buzzing noises”…suddenly Quest for Peace doesn’t look that bad…

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
The best part was crazy superman in the bar, I was confused as fuck when he split into two and fought himself in the junkyard. [/quote]

It’s been suggested that ‘dark Superman’ is a combination of Bizarro and Ultraman. I don’t know if that’s true, but it makes it less random. Certainly a better alternative to the global pollution theme that loomed large in Superman 2 & 4.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

The missing ingredient is that they need to build up the enemies as truly sadistic bastards who genuinely make the world a more miserable place to live in just by sharing air with them. The criminals we’ve had so far have just been cannon fodder. Castle needs to almost be relegated to a supporting role. He faces overwhelming odds, so make them overwhelming first , then let him clean up.[/quote]

Has anyone seen the movie Drive? Now technically it was advertised all wrong and it wasn’t a Fast N Furious-esque movie where plot is second place and unbelievable action first. The movie moved EXTREMELY slow initially and started to piss me off but it kept building the tension and you felt something happening under the surface. Then BAM shotgun to the face! Then the movie just went bonkers. The tension was palpable and the payoff never disappointing.

Now I wouldn’t suggest that A Punisher movie start out so slow but I think it needs to build to a psycho frenzy not just start out with violence and desensitize us by the end of the movie.[/quote]

Drive is a gem of a movie. It seems to have a solid following here, but outside in the “real” world opinions are split. I personally think it’s ridiculous that anyone would walk into to a movie that clearly isn’t FatF then go as far as to sue the makers for attempting to make something different (I’m referring to this woman : http://gofacebing.com/index.php/2011/10/woman-michigan-sues-drive-distributor-movie-theater-film-very-driving/ ).

I’d love to see a Punisher movie in the same mold as Drive, or at least made with the same creative spirit. Sure, pile on the violence, but maybe punctuate the gore with flashbacks to Castle’s life with his wife and kids before they died. Make them characters as well. Let us see what he lost. No need to give him companions, just alternate between what Castle was and what he is. That would be really effective, not too arty and very easily done.[/quote]

Exactly what I was thinking. With the use of flashbacks alone, #2 could have done away with the first 1/2 hour and the three lame friends, and still related his human side.

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
But on the real, OK maybe HATE is to strong a word, becasue even know I can remember take from take of the original flick and its been years since I seen it. The start had great promise. The part with the father (Brando) and the boy racing the train.

It fell apart as he became a man HE was a man and everyone else was almost a bufoon a clown. The bad guys were bad but to comical. I agree it set a tone that gave hope to better hero movies and it also gave a bump to the comic writers to come out with better stories.

Just as an around 10yr old kid I was hoping for more.[/quote]

I got a soft place in my heart for the second Superman movie, when I was a kid that was an action packed masterpiece. I watched it a couple months ago and realized it was a comedy. Zod made that movie! Without his over the top performance it would have been missing something.

The other movies 3 & 4? I mean Richard Pryer a computer genius? Fighting a chick made out of microchips? Some knock off of Lex Luthor? The best part was crazy superman in the bar, I was confused as fuck when he split into two and fought himself in the junkyard. A quest for peace was just plain stupid.[/quote]

My man ZOD! He was well thought out. I almost wished he won.

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Transformers: Fall of Cybertron

Looks like Jazz will be a playable character. Not only will he be fast on the ground, but will feature a grappling hook to add verticallity to his levels. And we get to squash Insecticons.

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Any Ideas, HUH???