Gee Who Would Have Guessed

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[quote]H factor wrote:
Instead of making a new thread every time someone does something that fits the descriptors you want why not limit them to one thread and place all of them there. This place is not your blog. Do you really need to bump all your old race threads to keep them towards the top? [/quote]

stfu H-factless and go back to your gay crusade. stay out of my threads.

Gee Who Would Have Guessed…

Houston Dad Shoots, Kills Boy Found Inside Daughter’s Bedroom

A Houston-area father fatally shot a 17-year-old boy who was inside his teen daughter’s bedroom early Thursday morning, MyFoxHouston.com reported.

The father, who was not identified, was notified by one of his children that there was someone in his 16-year-old daughter’s room, the report said. He reportedly found his daughter in bed with the teen.

The confrontation occurred around 2:20 a.m. The father had a gun and asked the teen to identify himself, police said, according to the report. His daughter reportedly told her father that she did not know the teen and that the two were not in bed.

The father said he told the teen not to move, but reportedly saw the teen reach for something, at which point police say the father opened fire. The teen did not have a gun. His daughter later confessed that she did indeed know the teen, the report said.

The father was taken by ambulance from the home for treatment of an unrelated medical situation. So far no arrests have been made, but detectives told the station that they are going to refer the case to a grand jury.

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Dumb cowards with guns being dumb cowards with guns. What else is new?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Dumb cowards with guns being dumb cowards with guns. What else is new? [/quote]

I mean, based on the facts presented, this isn’t at all the case.

If my daughter said “I don’t know him” I would assume he was raping my daughter, and would have executed him as well.

I assume you don’t have kids?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Dumb cowards with guns being dumb cowards with guns. What else is new? [/quote]

I mean, based on the facts presented, this isn’t at all the case.

If my daughter said “I don’t know him” I would assume he was raping my daughter, and would have executed him as well.

I assume you don’t have kids?[/quote]
Then why wasn’t she screaming for help? She just said she didn’t know the kid and he, like a dopey father who probably believed his 16 year old daughter is still a virgin, assumed it was true. No girl has ever let a boy into her bedroom in the middle of the night before? A man with balls who keeps his nerve, and brains, waits to sort things out. The whole thing about the kid going for something is a lie and we know it’s a lie because the kid had no gun so what would he have been going for?

And if you honestly believe that based on what you read the guy was justified to kill the boy then, since the boy was not a rapist and the daughter is the reason for him being dead, the daughter should be charged with murder. Again, that wouldn’t be an option if the father used his brains.

Let me ask you this: if you entered your daughter’s room and found a boy there and she said she didn’t know him and he wasn’t actually in the process of having sex or raping, would you execute him as you say? I’m not saying if he goes for a gun or something but is just standing there. Because you did use the word execute which I take to mean that you would just shoot him for being there under the assumption your daughter was telling the truth. If it turned out she was lying would you want her to face charges? Would you feel remorse? Would you tell her to lie to the police and say she didn’t know the kid or something?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Then why wasn’t she screaming for help? She just said she didn’t know the kid and he, like a dopey father who probably believed his 16 year old daughter is still a virgin, assumed it was true. No girl has ever let a boy into her bedroom in the middle of the night before? A man with balls who keeps his nerve, and brains, waits to sort things out. The whole thing about the kid going for something is a lie and we know it’s a lie because the kid had no gun so what would he have been going for? [/quote]

So, no you don’t have kids.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Plenty of things can prevent someone from screaming for help. You’re make a whole lot of assumptions here.

[quote]Let me ask you this: if you entered your daughter’s room and found a boy there and she said she didn’t know him and he wasn’t actually in the process of having sex or raping, would you execute him as you say?

I’m not saying if he goes for a gun or something but is just standing there.[/quote]

No. I would assume he was an intruder based on what my daughter said, however.

But, if dude was standing in her room, doe eyed teenaged boy, frightened by the fact I did have a firearm, and this is all clear… He wouldn’t end up shot unless he did something stupid, like go for my gun.

If someone is having sex with my daughter, and she tells me she doesn’t know him, he is going to die, or I am going to die trying to kill him. Period. Firearm or not.

People without kids (and daughters specifically) won’t truly understand this until you’ve been there.

What I would want is irrelevant.

I would likely feel remorse even if she was telling the truth. Just because it was justified doesn’t mean it isn’t an activity that you would feel remorseful about.

No. I would tell her to tell the truth. Not much I can do about it at that point.

She is a 16 year old kid who made a grave, grave mistake and put her father and boyfriend in a no-win situation. The only good she can do at that point is tell the truth now that the rubber has met the road.

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Now you change your original thoughts on the matter as you go from execute on sight to trying to sort out what is going on. Obviously if it looks like an actual sexual assault is in process you act accordingly but this does not appear to be the case at all here. The father had the kid at gun point and only shot him because he claimed the kid went for something. What did the kid go for? The gun he didn’t have?

And I do have a daughter but that does not mean she is God and everything she says is the truth. It doesn’t mean that I can act irrationally and get a pass by playing the daughter card. The boy is someone’s son and I’m sure his parents valued his life as much as this killer loves his daughter. His feelings, his parenthood, does not trump theirs or anyone else’s.

But let me ask you, should the daughter face murder charges? Would you think, if it were your daughter, she should face murder charges?

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Funny you mention this Beans, I had a recent encounter that justified your position to a T, well sorta.

My dumbass neighbor parked his car in front of my garage, assuming he had to run into his townhouse next to mine to grab something quick. My brother was visiting with my new 2 month old nephew, who was crying pretty bad, so we planned to take him to urgent care. I could not get my car out of the garage because this asshole was blocking my car with his, and with the baby crying I started getting unnerved. I started honking my horn so this moron would come out and move his car, if he moved it all of 5 feet I could have got out of my garage.

So this mother fucker strolled out as if I was bothering him, and I told him to move his car. He whined that I was being impatient, and told me I need to chill. I then told him to move his goddam car, now. He replied with “relax dude.” I told him the crying was my nephew who needs a doctor, who I cannot get to because his fucking car was blocking my garage. He took his sweet ass time, getting in his car, adjusting his radio, checking his cell phone, as I stand there becoming more unnerved from my nephew’s crying. Finally I just yelled at him, “Move this fucking car, NOW!” I was ready to punch his window, I could feel me losing control, and he drove off.

Granted this is not my child, but the closest thing to it, there is a new level of medieval I think a parent is willing to go to if they feel their kid is in danger.

My neighbor now has a pile of excrement from my 24 lb cat on his front porch, let’s see how long it takes Darwin to take effect.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Now you change your original thoughts on the matter as you go from execute on sight to trying to sort out what is going on. Obviously if it looks like an actual sexual assault is in process you act accordingly but this does not appear to be the case at all here.[/quote]

I didn’t change anything.

I read the original story (maybe incorrectly) that the father walked in on them having sex. I gave consistent answers on how I would proceed given those circumstances.

You offered up a situation with NO SEX, which changes the circumstance, and therefor changes my thoughts on approach.

It’s dark, and the only assumption you have is there is an intruder you just surprised while having sex with your daughter…

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And I do have a daughter but that does not mean she is God and everything she says is the truth. It doesn’t mean that I can act irrationally and get a pass by playing the daughter card. The boy is someone’s son and I’m sure his parents valued his life as much as this killer loves his daughter. His feelings, his parenthood, does not trump theirs or anyone else’s. [/quote]

You’re looking at this in crystal clear hindsight. You’re not considering the moment.

Again, what I think is irrelevant.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

hey keep me from getting shot. I carry a pistol to help keep me from getting shot.
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No, this is like saying you wear a seat belt to help keep you from getting into an automobile accident.

You carry a pistol so that you can shoot back.

You carry your situational awareness and combat mind-set so that you may avoid finding yourself in a situation whereby it is necessary to shoot back, but prepared in the event that it is.
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I know this wasn’t directed from me but a little advice - you may already know. Cheap and small cars are dangerous. In a head on or t bone the chassis traps you and you can burn to death or lose your legs. Larger, more modern cars are designed so the chassis goes down instead of forward into the driver. Also seat belts fracture sternums and collar bones. I’ve had two sternum fractures from accidents where i would’ve been fine without a seatbelt. If you can in your state(don’t know), invest in a racing harness.

Sorry for the derail but seat belts piss me off.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Now you change your original thoughts on the matter as you go from execute on sight to trying to sort out what is going on. Obviously if it looks like an actual sexual assault is in process you act accordingly but this does not appear to be the case at all here.[/quote]

I didn’t change anything.

I read the original story (maybe incorrectly) that the father walked in on them having sex. I gave consistent answers on how I would proceed given those circumstances.

You offered up a situation with NO SEX, which changes the circumstance, and therefor changes my thoughts on approach.

It’s dark, and the only assumption you have is there is an intruder you just surprised while having sex with your daughter…

Why would it be dark? He could have easily turned the lights on.

The problem with claiming 20/20 hindsight is that we are dealing with life and death, there is no do over. When you choose to own a gun you can’t think in terms of hindsight but rather, finality. The dead kid does not get the benefits of hindsight.

Then again I have LEO training and we were taught that “looking like he was going for something” is not enough reason to shoot someone. And when the person doesn’t end up having anything that he would have been going for it makes that defense rather weak.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It is truly , a sad story . But I think you have it wrong Dog . The black people that did it , did not do it because they are black [/quote]

Oh, we missed the point! How silly of me. It’s not because huge numbers of blacks have social and criminal problems…it’s ah. Somehow the point of the white lawyer. After all he had too much money didn’t he?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

Why would it be dark? He could have easily turned the lights on. [/quote]
Yes, we are well aware that you are perfect and would have handled the situation perfectly, taking into account all the things you’ve thought about over the last couple hours instantly and reacted perfect in this situation.

What the hell are you trying to say here?

I’m the one talking about how murky the situation is, and you’re the one painting everything as black and white with “this should have happened” language.

You’re the one looking back in hindsight and passing judgment.

Because, depending on the situation, I’m sure that is the thought passing through the mind of people involved.

Give me a break.

You’re making a whole bunch of assumptions based on a picture of the events you’ve painted in your head with crystal clear hindsight.

I’m going to go out on a limb and assume that boy knew damn well him being in that house and fucking dude’s daughter wasn’t the best idea in the world. I’m also going out on a limb and assume that everyone knew there were guns in the house. The boy, the father and the daughter all made mistakes here as far as I can see. I’m not holding the father to some special standard because I have the benefit of hindsight.

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Yes, why hold an adult gun owner to a higher standard than an unarmed teen.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Yes, why hold an adult gun owner to a higher standard than an unarmed teen. [/quote]

Again, crystal clear hindsight is a wonderful high horse to ride…

Enjoy the view.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Yes, why hold an adult gun owner to a higher standard than an unarmed teen. [/quote]

Again, crystal clear hindsight is a wonderful high horse to ride…

Enjoy the view. [/quote]
If you are alive to ride it.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Yes, why hold an adult gun owner to a higher standard than an unarmed teen. [/quote]

Again, crystal clear hindsight is a wonderful high horse to ride…

Enjoy the view. [/quote]
If you are alive to ride it. [/quote]

I don’t go in people’s houses uninvited. And I don’t have sex with teenage daughters of dude’s with firearms while uninvited in their house during the middle of the night.

I’m not too worried about it.