Gee Who Would Have Guessed

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
keep picking at it. lol[/quote]

Don’t you have a stat you need to be getting? I know you’ve been inside all day hiding from black people.

This is fun now, I have an instant reply to C-Dog for the rest of the year. He posts, I ask him for the stat. [/quote]

i have answered every real question put to me.

[quote]H factor wrote:
So again I ask you for one link and you dodge. So where is the one stat you need to get me out of your threads forever? Just one stat showing you as a white man are more likely to die by a black man.[/quote]

i personally will probably die of old age, heart attack, cancer, maybe even a car accident. there is no such thing as a stat showing that you are more likely to die by one thing.

there is no answer to your question. Hfactor the stat you ask for is the same as asking how long is a piece of string…

in all of your responses to my threads you are like fritz the twisted hunchback in the frankenstein link that keeps teasing and tormenting the monster, not able to step outside himself to see what a losing situation he has really been in all along.

like i said in an earlier post you are an addict. addicted to responding so much you can’t just stop. i am sorry that i ever participated in replying to you. it truly is not who i am as a person.

[quote]H factor wrote:

Don’t bitch out with your other links pussy.

Statistically, you as a white really old person who found the internet and takes time from his clan meetings to post.

You will call me names. But you absolutely won’t give me what I have asked and you won’t admit it. What a pussy.

c-dog your trying way too hard here and honestly you’re scary as shit. I’m done replying to you.

You’re so fucking full of shit

YOU a white racist old prick

His voice mail ended with bring back slavery.

YOU a white racist soon to be dead roid using old man

The vast majority of this forum doesn’t feel like you and is annoyed by your postings on this. That has been pointed out to you numerous times.

We can prove with ACTUAL DATA you are full of shit. I think I’ve done it before

The issue is c-dog constantly makes these type of threads over and over. He has made over 20 threads about race recently. If you see a new c-dog thread in pwi it’s almost always about race and portraying black people in a negative manner.

One simple point and you get rid of me posting in your KKK threads forever.

When you were eleven (which was what, 1943?) did you by chance imagine one day you would be old injecting steroids into your ass and allegedly lifting huge amounts of weight while reminding the world that black people commit crimes

All I’m trying to convey you realize and you can’t do shit to prove me wrong on it. The link you want doesn’t exist.
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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
The thing about Overfiend is that he doesn’t care. You can ask him over and over and he’ll just keep on trolling. I always assumed he was a young person but to find out he is an old testicularly challenged man was a surprise. Actually the testicle part was not a surprise.

And the Overfiend avoids the question while confessing he’s a senior citizen on steroids.

He has a thing for “boyish” porn and frequents those sites. If he could he would post it here as he has on other forums.

Silly Overfiend is so transparent.

It’s a really classy move to use the murder of an innocent young man in front of his wife to troll a racist agenda.
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…irony

Overfiend posts many words yet says nothing. I guess it’s hard to focus when you are busy dividing your time between stalking your neighbor’s daughter on one side and your gay neighbors on the other.

The thing is c-dog there is an ANSWER to my question it just doesn’t jive with what you want it to be. Statistically you are more likely to die in an automobile accident than from a shark. I haven’t been asking how you’ll die moron and you know this. You just keep dancing around the question because it’s not what you want it to be.

I’ll ask again…statistically speaking as a white male are you more or less likely to die from a black man or a white man?

Also lol at the guy who makes a new race thread every week calling anyone an addict towards posting. Also I don’t really give a shit how you “truly are” as a person. From your postings I can’t think of anyone who would actually want to know you in real life anyways. I can quit replying to your racist threads if you can quit making them. I just don’t think you can stop.

Will 2014 be giving us an update for favorite black people?

[quote]H factor wrote:
The thing is c-dog there is an ANSWER to my question it just doesn’t jive with what you want it to be. Statistically you are more likely to die in an automobile accident than from a shark. I haven’t been asking how you’ll die moron and you know this. You just keep dancing around the question because it’s not what you want it to be.

I’ll ask again…statistically speaking as a white male are you more or less likely to die from a black man or a white man?

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you and no rap zecarlo always have plenty of spare time to hang out in “MY” threads and not the other way around. you pay no heed to that fact.

you have taken over four months of racist name calling, using the words prick, pussy and indicating that somehow a 51 year “old” is irrelevant…

…you tune out my uncomplicated themes referencing the liberal media omitting massive volumes of black on white violent behavior including murder, rape, assault, carjackings, mob looting, mob attacks, KNOCK-OUT games.

i have indicated the liberal media does so because it conflicts with their unremitting focus on black victimization.

now about four months later in your unremitting personal attacks rather than debates, you pose what YOU definitively perceive to be a “winning” question.

H-factor your question is insufficient.

i pointed out that it is insufficient when i wrote in an above post “it is like asking how long is a piece of string”

you ignored that.

you are asking a question that has no quantitative parameters. if i asked you how much a vacation costs? we would have an equal dilemma.

if a white man were in antarctica he would be statistically less likely to be a murdered by a black man than in chicago, detroit, baltimore, washington d.c., philadelphia, atlanta, l.a., new orleans, oakland, etc…

you want an answer?

i have been patiently answering all comers in threads that I “conservative” dog create. the nearest answer to your “no quantitative parameters” trick question:

The Color of Crime

Interracial Crime

Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.

statistics are from the below “ORGANIZATION” not a single liberal director of a black forum as your information was sourced:

New Century Foundation is a 501(c)(3) organization founded in 1994 to study immigration and race relations so as to better understand the consequences of America’s increasing diversity. It sponsors publications and books, and holds occasional conferences.

Perhaps the most important publication of New Century Foundation is The Color of Crime, New Century Foundation’s report on differences in crime rates by race, bias in the justice system, and interracial crime. First published as a monograph in 1999, the new 2005 edition of The Color of Crime is now available on-line as a free PDF download.

…H-factor how much does a Kansas City vacation cost? answer that because your own question is no different.

the four black “gentlemen” who murdered that white attorney in front of his wife are due in court today wednesday January 8, 2014:

http://nomorecocktails.com/post/2014/01/08/Thugs-who-killed-lawyer-in-NJ-mall-carjacking-due-in-court-today.aspx

why don’t you put on your dennis rodman jersey and write the wife a letter, telling her about your trick stat question.

…that statistically speaking as a white man her husband should never have been murdered in front of her over a carjacking. but those four black “gentlemen” did it anyway. four.

where are al sharpton and the reverend jesse jackson in these homicides blacks commit in this country, even against their own?

…they only come out when the “card” can be pulled, and so they can gain more notoriety and shake down some company.

the burden should never be put on victims or society to prove the ideological liberalism manure you perpetuate.

Lol, seriously New Century Foundation?

You linked to New Century Foundation and you found trouble with my site?

Let’s see Jared Taylor is a white separatist. You really linked to a white separatist?

How about you link your white separatist links who probably have no bias whatsoever and I will link the FBI? Or is that too liberal for you?

Statistically a white male is more likely to be murdered by a white person than a black one. Even in all the KKK propaganda garbage from your link you couldn’t dismiss that.

Lol, go back to storm troopers and talk to your Nazi friends.

Good God, guy really links a white separatist when trying to prove he isn’t racist? New Century Foundation steams up a nice pile of bullshit for your confirmation bias. Tuck yourself in at night with an “organization” dedicated to telling you what you want to believe.

And seriously I’ve almost spit up a few times as you try to explain to me how that is an unanswerable questions. That is a serious riot.

Are you more likely to die in a car crash or by being hit by a meteor? Well no one can answer that. It’s not like we can compare deaths by meteor to deaths by car. Impossible!

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
The thing is c-dog there is an ANSWER to my question it just doesn’t jive with what you want it to be. Statistically you are more likely to die in an automobile accident than from a shark. I haven’t been asking how you’ll die moron and you know this. You just keep dancing around the question because it’s not what you want it to be.

I’ll ask again…statistically speaking as a white male are you more or less likely to die from a black man or a white man?

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you and no rap zecarlo always have plenty of spare time to hang out in “MY” threads and not the other way around. you pay no heed to that fact.

you have taken over four months of racist name calling, using the words prick, pussy and indicating that somehow a 51 year “old” is irrelevant…

…you tune out my uncomplicated themes referencing the liberal media omitting massive volumes of black on white violent behavior including murder, rape, assault, carjackings, mob looting, mob attacks, KNOCK-OUT games.

i have indicated the liberal media does so because it conflicts with their unremitting focus on black victimization.

now about four months later in your unremitting personal attacks rather than debates, you pose what YOU definitively perceive to be a “winning” question.

H-factor your question is insufficient.

i pointed out that it is insufficient when i wrote in an above post “it is like asking how long is a piece of string”

you ignored that.

you are asking a question that has no quantitative parameters. if i asked you how much a vacation costs? we would have an equal dilemma.

if a white man were in antarctica he would be statistically less likely to be a murdered by a black man than in chicago, detroit, baltimore, washington d.c., philadelphia, atlanta, l.a., new orleans, oakland, etc…

you want an answer?

i have been patiently answering all comers in threads that I “conservative” dog create. the nearest answer to your “no quantitative parameters” trick question:

The Color of Crime

Interracial Crime

Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.

Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.

Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.

statistics are from the below “ORGANIZATION” not a single liberal director of a black forum as your information was sourced:

New Century Foundation is a 501(c)(3) organization founded in 1994 to study immigration and race relations so as to better understand the consequences of America’s increasing diversity. It sponsors publications and books, and holds occasional conferences.

Perhaps the most important publication of New Century Foundation is The Color of Crime, New Century Foundation’s report on differences in crime rates by race, bias in the justice system, and interracial crime. First published as a monograph in 1999, the new 2005 edition of The Color of Crime is now available on-line as a free PDF download.

…H-factor how much does a Kansas City vacation cost? answer that because your own question is no different.[/quote]
I don’t see anything of substance in that post. What are you babbling about?

tell the wife of that murdered attorney about your magical unicorn “theory.”

oh and how much is a vacation in east st.louis?

you can’t fart without a study or some expert telling you what is what can you?

so how about gut instinct telling you to recount those fbi 2010 murder totals. we are a country of 315 million.

surely there were more murders in the united states than what are cited. the total murders should be in the 14,000 - 17,000 range you fuckin idiot.

chicago had 436 homicides in 2010 and that’s just one city. lol. your fbi page is missing something called common sense. think about it chief.

i am not a big believer in liberal run wikipedia it certainly doesn’t take the middle ground or independent view on many issues:

but it says chicago had 436 homicides in 2010.

Homicides in Chicago by year

1928: 399[6]
1965: 395[7]
1973: 864[8]
1974: 970[9]
1988: 660[10]
1989: 742[11]
1990: 851[12]
1991: 927[13]
1992: 943[13]
1993: 855[13]
1994: 931[13]
1995: 828[13]
1996: 796[13]
1997: 761[13]
1998: 704[13]
1999: 643[13]
2000: 633[13]
2001: 667[13]
2002: 656[13]
2003: 601[13]
2004: 453[13]
2005: 451[13]
2006: 471[13]
2007: 448[13]
2008: 513[13]
2009: 459[13]
2010: 436[13]
2011: 435[13]
2012: 516[14]
2013: 507[15]

then your fbi site results counts total of all illinois 2010 murders at 453. that doesn’t sound right at all.

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
tell the wife of that murdered attorney about your magical unicorn “theory.”

oh and how much is a vacation in east st.louis?

you can’t fart without a study or some expert telling you what is what can you?

so how about gut instinct telling you to recount those fbi 2010 murder totals. we are a country of 315 million.

surely there were more murders in the united states than what are cited. the total murders should be in the 14,000 - 17,000 range you fuckin idiot.

chicago had 436 homicides in 2010 and that’s just one city. lol. your fbi page is missing something called common sense. think about it chief.[/quote]
Now you’re arguing for gun control.

Linkd the wrong table, but it still prove my point. Can you show me a statistic that says white people are more likely to be murderd by black people? I mean I have asked 20 times. It’s really simple for you to prove. Who murders more white people a year? Blacks or whites?

[quote]H factor wrote:
Linkd the wrong table, but it still prove my point.

Can you show me a statistic that says white people are more likely to be murderd by black people? I mean I have asked 20 times. It’s really simple for you to prove. Who murders more white people a year? Blacks or whites? [/quote]

you asked 20 times?

you can ask for a thousand years for all i care.

you change your question of attack in every thread i begin.

you have done this for many months without success.

H-factor in this latest instance you attempt to put up a statistic with no real life parameters as your end all strategy.

you must know if you have ever studied statistics especially in crime data, some situations do not lend themselves to precise real life answers.

but without giving parameters in your statistical question, you again fart out what you believe to be a magical unicorn theory that allows you out of my thread without much embarrassment and maybe in your mind a win.

here is a good percentage situation…you would not survive the night walking around east st.louis which is right across the mississippi river from what i believe you have said is your home state.

my statement means you as a white person are very much likely to be attacked and murdered by a black person.

answer my question. like yours it has no real life parameters…how much does a vacation in east st.louis costs?

how long is a piece of string? just answer the question.

you can’t can you? wow i won an imaginary victory online with two anonymous LSD users, i have truly accomplished much in this real life battle on the internet.

**east st. louis has the highest crime rate in the United States (according to the FBI’s 100 most dangerous cities list)

the burden should never be put on victims or society to prove the ideological liberalism manure that people such as you perpetuate.

Of course it has real life parameters. You are more likely to be in a car crash than a shark attack. This is statistically a certainity. It doesn’t mean you won’t die in a shark attack.

White people are murdered more often by white people than black people. This is demonstrably proven. You evade that, and act like you don’t understand the question. Prove my statement wrong and i will never talk to you again.

You can prove stastically you are more likely to die by car than shark and you can prove blacks kill more blacks than whites and whites kill more whites. What YOU can’t do is prove otherwise.

[quote]H factor wrote:
Of course it has real life parameters. You are more likely to be in a car crash than a shark attack. This is statistically a certainity. It doesn’t mean you won’t die in a shark attack.

White people are murdered more often by white people than black people. This is demonstrably proven. You evade that, and act like you don’t understand the question. Prove my statement wrong and i will never talk to you again.

You can prove stastically you are more likely to die by car than shark and you can prove blacks kill more blacks than whites and whites kill more whites. What YOU can’t do is prove otherwise.[/quote]

this pissing contest or who can ask a dumbass question a million times in my thread trivializes the murder i posted on page one.

but lets take time to run your theory. now if a guy surfs everyday around the inlet at new symrna beach, florida but doesn’t drive a car he is NOT more likely to die by car.

but he will probably be ATTACKED by a SHARK. as has happened many times there. it’s why your stat is proof it is a moot point. the parameters of that guy includes no car driving and spends time where sharks are known to attack every year.

you have no clue where i am or what type neighborhoods surrounds the block i reside in so you have no parameters for your magical “winning” theory that i am more likely to die at the hand of a white.

it does not work that way. no matter how many times you state that it does it doesn’t and that is why there are more an more KNOCKOUT headlines of whites being attacked by blacks every week and we all know that is racist.

if we drop you at brooklyn ESL in east st.louis at night, you will get a new vision of your magical “winning” theory and you will not enjoy it. you will be severely attacked and raped in the mouth, and probably die.

please don’t push a crap open end statement and pretend it is the norm, because you saw some “study”.

the man i started this thread about, murdered by four black thugs doesn’t fit your statement or study either. it is real life, not a statistical probability. and it is not rare that blacks carjack whites. and that is very racist.

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Of course it has real life parameters. You are more likely to be in a car crash than a shark attack. This is statistically a certainity. It doesn’t mean you won’t die in a shark attack.

White people are murdered more often by white people than black people. This is demonstrably proven. You evade that, and act like you don’t understand the question. Prove my statement wrong and i will never talk to you again.

You can prove stastically you are more likely to die by car than shark and you can prove blacks kill more blacks than whites and whites kill more whites. What YOU can’t do is prove otherwise.[/quote]

this pissing contest or who can ask a dumbass question a million times in my thread trivializes the murder i posted on page one.

but lets take time to run your theory. now if a guy surfs everyday around the inlet at new symrna beach, florida but doesn’t drive a car he is NOT more likely to die by car.

but he will probably be ATTACKED by a SHARK. as has happened many times there. it’s why your stat is proof it is a moot point. the parameters of that guy includes no car driving and spends time where sharks are known to attack every year.

you have no clue where i am or what type neighborhoods surrounds the block i reside in so you have no parameters for your magical “winning” theory that i am more likely to die at the hand of a white.

it does not work that way. no matter how many times you state that it does it doesn’t and that is why there are more an more KNOCKOUT headlines of whites being attacked by blacks every week and we all know that is racist.

if we drop you at brooklyn ESL in east st.louis at night, you will get a new vision of your magical “winning” theory and you will not enjoy it. you will be severely attacked and raped in the mouth, and probably die.

please don’t push a crap open end statement and pretend it is the norm, because you saw some “study”.

the man i started this thread about, murdered by four black thugs doesn’t fit your statement or study either. it is real life, not a statistical probability. and it is not rare that blacks carjack whites. and that is very racist.
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Trivializes the murder? You don’t give a flying fuck about murder. Stop pretending like you do. Where are the threads with black people murdered? Why aren’t they worthy of you posting about them? The only thing you’ve ever posted was a “look at my favorite black people thread.” Stop trying to pretend you really give a shit about the people you post about. How come you don’t post about white people killed by white people? Because it doesn’t help out your racist agenda. The most hilarious thing I’ve ever read, you trying to pretend you care about the victims. Yeah, you care about white victims done in by black people. Anyone else? Fuck em. Doesn’t fit your agenda.

You ONLY post about black people doing bad things to white people. The parameters are irrelevant. YOU are more likely to die in a plane crash than a car crash. Now if you want to switch that to “what if you never drive and only fly” then you’re a fucking moron who needs to change the direction of statements to be proven wrong. If a white man was born in 1980 he has a better chance of being murdered by a white man than a black one. If a white man like you was born in 1940 you have a better chance of being murdered by a white man.

If you’re so scared about where you live then fucking move. Quit acting like you can’t change that. It’s not open ended statement you just don’t understand math. When you play roulette you have a better chance if you bet on black than if you bet on red 1. It doesn’t mean if red 1 wins that it was more likely for that to happen.

All you have to do is prove statistically I am wrong and I will never post to you again. I’d say since you haven’t came close in all these questions to you you can’t do it.

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Of course it has real life parameters. You are more likely to be in a car crash than a shark attack. This is statistically a certainity. It doesn’t mean you won’t die in a shark attack.

White people are murdered more often by white people than black people. This is demonstrably proven. You evade that, and act like you don’t understand the question. Prove my statement wrong and i will never talk to you again.

You can prove stastically you are more likely to die by car than shark and you can prove blacks kill more blacks than whites and whites kill more whites. What YOU can’t do is prove otherwise.[/quote]

this pissing contest or who can ask a dumbass question a million times in my thread trivializes the murder i posted on page one.

but lets take time to run your theory. now if a guy surfs everyday around the inlet at new symrna beach, florida but doesn’t drive a car he is NOT more likely to die by car.

but he will probably be ATTACKED by a SHARK. as has happened many times there. it’s why your stat is proof it is a moot point. the parameters of that guy includes no car driving and spends time where sharks are known to attack every year.

you have no clue where i am or what type neighborhoods surrounds the block i reside in so you have no parameters for your magical “winning” theory that i am more likely to die at the hand of a white.

it does not work that way. no matter how many times you state that it does it doesn’t and that is why there are more an more KNOCKOUT headlines of whites being attacked by blacks every week and we all know that is racist.

if we drop you at brooklyn ESL in east st.louis at night, you will get a new vision of your magical “winning” theory and you will not enjoy it. you will be severely attacked and raped in the mouth, and probably die.

please don’t push a crap open end statement and pretend it is the norm, because you saw some “study”.

the man i started this thread about, murdered by four black thugs doesn’t fit your statement or study either. it is real life, not a statistical probability. and it is not rare that blacks carjack whites. and that is very racist.
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Trivializes the murder? You don’t give a flying fuck about murder. Stop pretending like you do. Where are the threads with black people murdered? Why aren’t they worthy of you posting about them? The only thing you’ve ever posted was a “look at my favorite black people thread.” Stop trying to pretend you really give a shit about the people you post about. How come you don’t post about white people killed by white people? Because it doesn’t help out your racist agenda. The most hilarious thing I’ve ever read, you trying to pretend you care about the victims. Yeah, you care about white victims done in by black people. Anyone else? Fuck em. Doesn’t fit your agenda.

You ONLY post about black people doing bad things to white people. The parameters are irrelevant. YOU are more likely to die in a plane crash than a car crash. Now if you want to switch that to “what if you never drive and only fly” then you’re a fucking moron who needs to change the direction of statements to be proven wrong. If a white man was born in 1980 he has a better chance of being murdered by a white man than a black one. If a white man like you was born in 1940 you have a better chance of being murdered by a white man.

If you’re so scared about where you live then fucking move. Quit acting like you can’t change that. It’s not open ended statement you just don’t understand math. When you play roulette you have a better chance if you bet on black than if you bet on red 1. It doesn’t mean if red 1 wins that it was more likely for that to happen.

All you have to do is prove statistically I am wrong and I will never post to you again. I’d say since you haven’t came close in all these questions to you you can’t do it. [/quote]

i’m watching a frustrated loser chiefs fan fall apart mentally. pick another team and take a two month vacation.

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
i’m watching a frustrated loser chiefs fan fall apart mentally. pick another team and take a two month vacation.[/quote]

I’m posting with a really old scared roided up pussy. You walk around through your life scared of people who have a different skin color than you. What a miserable way to live. The Chiefs don’t have anything to do with what I posted nor with your problems. Head on back to stormtroopers so you can post with other white supremacists, you’ll fit in better.

[quote]H factor wrote:

White people are murdered more often by white people than black people. [/quote]

I understand your point here, and do not agree with C-Dog…but white people make up 77.9%(http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html) of the population, so that is probably 90% of your statistic.

A better statistic would be black on white crime or white on black crime PER CAPITA.

But you are smart and already knew that H, you just like to argue with C-Dog (can’t say I blame you).

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

White people are murdered more often by white people than black people. [/quote]

I understand your point here, and do not agree with C-Dog…but white people make up 77.9%(http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html) of the population, so that is probably 90% of your statistic.

A better statistic would be black on white crime or white on black crime PER CAPITA.

But you are smart and already knew that H, you just like to argue with C-Dog (can’t say I blame you).[/quote]

This doesn’t really change anything. Statistically c-dog has a better chance as a white man of being killed by a white man. He knows that’s true which is why he continuously dodges it. And I don’t really like to argue with him as, I just think he’s absolutely disgusting and by far the worst poster on this board. I should probably do a better job of just ignoring him like most of the forum does. Him talking about trivializing murder cracks me up. He ONLY cares about black on white murder. Black on black, white on white, whatever doesn’t fit his racist agenda is never post worthy.

Rape, murder, theft, etc does not bother c-dog unless the person doing it is black. Anything else is absolutely cool with him and you will never see him post about it. He is a white separatist/supremacist plain and simple.

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

White people are murdered more often by white people than black people. [/quote]

I understand your point here, and do not agree with C-Dog…but white people make up 77.9%(http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html) of the population, so that is probably 90% of your statistic.

A better statistic would be black on white crime or white on black crime PER CAPITA.

But you are smart and already knew that H, you just like to argue with C-Dog (can’t say I blame you).[/quote]

Rape, murder, theft, etc does not bother c-dog unless the person doing it is black. Anything else is absolutely cool with him and you will never see him post about it. He is a white separatist/supremacist plain and simple. [/quote]

Oh I agree, I just grew up in a lower class neighborhood in California and am used to being in the minority…after all, I am a non-Mormon in Utah…lol