bein on for 5 weeks 200 ml deca on wed and agian on sun with 40 mgs of d-bol a day got another 5 weeks left got tamo and clomid and hcg for pct the question i have is do i need to do the hcg now because the more i read it seems that most use it during cycle been readin a good bit and also have anabolics 2009 for readin but shit seems to contradict on here so personal experience will help here also if someone can tell me how to take the hcg i have 3 5000 iu vials but an iu doesn’t convert to a cc hopefully someone will read and help and thanks when you do
No test?
The link provided is perfect for your HCG question. Beyond that, why no test in this cycle? 10 weeks of just deca with some d-bol sprinkled in is not a recipe for a great cyle…meaning making good gains on while maintaining low to negligible negative sides, and just as importantly, recovering in a timely manner when off. Also, please use some punctuation and sentence structure when you post. It helps you in the end because people will actually read and understand your points/questions. Not trying to be an asshole, just speaking the truth.
yeah sorry bout the sentences. Educated in south GA. No im not on test i got the cycle out of the anobolics 2009 book so i went with it. Its seems test is the base of everything from my readin. I’m still a newbie at the gear game so by all means educate and critize all you want. I have made some good gains of it so far 10 lbs of leans mass while losein 8 lbs body fat in 6 weeks, and my strength is gettin better by the day. thanks for the link
Just be careful of believing everything you read you might die from a misprint [paraphrase of Benjamin Franklin quote]. Best advice I can give you is to read the stickies atop this forum. You’ve already jumped in the pool so its worthless to tell you not to. I might advise getting out as soon as you can so you can learn to swin though. The use of exogenous hormones is not for the faint of heart or the undereducated.
Well thanks for that, as for getting educated there is not one thing one this forum or the 50 million others that don’t contradict each other on the correct doseage, brands or cycles the only thing on these forums you can count on is that they say take a pct. I’m not a novice on everything i have a good grasp the gym and working out.
As for me being faint of heart all i’ll say there is nothing faint about it. And futhermore sence when did tring to get good advise become so hard. There is not a person on here who didn’t learn by doing or someone teaching them things about the gym gear and so on. You guys act as if it is a trade secert that you can’t share with anyone. Someone writes on here for help and all you get is read the stickys.
Ok i read the stickys i read a whole freakin book and some other forams on it. I know how it works, but just because i know how it works dosen’t mean im a expert. When people write for help with a cycle they want to know if anyone has done it and did it work. Not anything about a pool and swimming.
Why can’t we start a sticy that says hey these cycles have been great for me and maybe they will work for you. Start a thread of shit that works and the doseage and how many weeks and the pct for it. Different things work for different people so if some shit worked great for you then hey recommend it to someone looking to get some good shit put together just because you read all the profiles and know how it works dosen’t mean you can build the best stack ever If you guys are all powerful and know all then share the wealth that is the point of these forums anyway of atleast i thought
Clearly you haven’t read the stickies. Just try the very post of this one. Having a good grasp of the gym and working out has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with wisely selecting compounds to intramuscularly inject into your body.
Bottom Line is you read a book and from an article in that book selected a ‘cycle’ which is based on nandrolone without test. I don’t know anyone who does this.
Better question is why after 5 weeks do you come looking for answers you should have had since before day 1?
Now you ask about hcg, why? What is your reasoning for using hcg now? Why on earth did you select nandrolone? I mean seriously, if you come back with ‘because I read it in a book’ then Im sorry but no one on here can probably help you. Nor can anyone on any of the other 50 million forums you referenced.
So I will say again despite your apparent lack of humility to receive the critique. It takes a lot more than reading a book to understand how the gear game works. You jumped in pre-maturely clearly. You don’t under some basic concepts. Sure there are contradicts. But there are also some universal underlying truths.
You probably don’t know why you’re using nandrolone. Worse yet you probably don’t know about prolactin related problems and why you mentioned having tamox and clomid you didn’t mention cabergoline thus suggesting to me you don’t have it. Im curious if you even know why you’d need cabergoline? If you honestly read the stickies atop this forum you would know and understand.
So just because you don’t like what I’m saying or don’t wanna hear it does not mean its not true.
Please actually read the stickies. We say read the stickies because every question you ask is answered there I assure you. Don’t be so impatient. Well geez it will take hours to read all the stickies…than take a few hours and read them. Better to spend a few quality hours reading and educating yourself than dealing with deca dick or lactating nipples in a few weeks, right?
Its funny when people get mad about advice they don’t like and still expect people to help them.
[quote]Dale_14 wrote:
Well thanks for that, as for getting educated there is not one thing one this forum or the 50 million others that don’t contradict each other on the correct doseage, brands or cycles the only thing on these forums you can count on is that they say take a pct. I’m not a novice on everything i have a good grasp the gym and working out.
As for me being faint of heart all i’ll say there is nothing faint about it. And futhermore sence when did tring to get good advise become so hard. There is not a person on here who didn’t learn by doing or someone teaching them things about the gym gear and so on. You guys act as if it is a trade secert that you can’t share with anyone. Someone writes on here for help and all you get is read the stickys.
Ok i read the stickys i read a whole freakin book and some other forams on it. I know how it works, but just because i know how it works dosen’t mean im a expert. When people write for help with a cycle they want to know if anyone has done it and did it work. Not anything about a pool and swimming.
Why can’t we start a sticy that says hey these cycles have been great for me and maybe they will work for you. Start a thread of shit that works and the doseage and how many weeks and the pct for it. Different things work for different people so if some shit worked great for you then hey recommend it to someone looking to get some good shit put together just because you read all the profiles and know how it works dosen’t mean you can build the best stack ever If you guys are all powerful and know all then share the wealth that is the point of these forums anyway of atleast i thought [/quote]
Because ‘WE’ will not recommend ‘TELL’ anyone exactly what doses to do when it could potentially fuck a person up then so they can just go bla bla bla point the finger and the media can say…‘SEE steroids are bad’.
It ‘THESE’ people that give us a bad name for these reasons and point the blame at someone else other than themselves.
Where is your punctuation and how old are you…???
I thought this was obvious…
There are a LOT of educated people on this forum and if you bothered to read some of the discussions on here (not only stickies) you would already know that.
Ok well thanks for all the nice things from everyone. I chose deca and dbol based on what i wanted from a cycle not because it was in a book, it just happend to be in the book. I didn’t want to put alot of weight on and wanted to increse strengh.
Also of all the post and info on gear there is not one that says you have to take test with deca. I am not going to argue with everyone i needed advise on HCG and when would be the best time to use it from peoples personal experience. I know why you use it but i have never taken it myself. If background info is so important just ask ill tell you what you want.
A for the cabergoline i did’nt know about that and really mean it when i say thanks for telling me about that, i am aware the useing deca raise progesteron levels. As for the decrese in libido that really dosen’t matter to me at this time seeing as i can’t get laid for 6 more months anyway. I am not here to piss anybody of or to get into dick measureing contest with everyone. I’m here to learn and get better and more knowledge. Do you think that with 400mg of deca i would have to worry about the taking the cabergoline
[quote]Dale_14 wrote:
Also of all the post and info on gear there is not one that says you have to take test with deca.
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Well if I go to McDonald’s right now and order a Big Mac it doesn’t say put it in your mouth and eat it either. Sometimes you must transcend above what is merely written in books and on message boards. Try a google of Deca only cycle or something like that and see what you find.
[quote]Dale_14 wrote:
Do you think that with 400mg of deca i would have to worry about the taking the cabergoline
[/quote]Yes, absolutely
ok googled the deca only and it says alot about deca dick and to take test with it. That is why i’m on the d-bol to help with that. WHen is a good time to use the HCG i have read a shitload on this and i know how it works, but there is alot of people say post cycle and alot who say during cycle. I have clomid, nolva and hcg is what i was going to take post cycle.
As for the cabergoline if i order it know it would get here by the end of my cycle i only have 3 weeks left. I was also takeng 25 mg of Test Cyp but only once a week it was give to me for free so i added it in. I plan to start the pct the last day i take my last d-bol. You are right i didn’t reserch it enough, but i thought i had i put together the stack and the pct wrote out my training plan and diet plan and got to work. So with 3 weeks left and 400 mg of deca a week and 40mg of d-bol what are the recommendation so that i don’t make things bad for myself. I haven’t had any problems with ED but have noticed the boys are alittle smaller. Well i also did find why you run test with everything cuz your own test levels are so low the test compensates for it, or that is atleast what i read on a couple forums
[quote]Dale_14 wrote:
Ok well thanks for all the nice things from everyone. I chose deca and dbol based on what i wanted from a cycle not because it was in a book, it just happend to be in the book. I didn’t want to put alot of weight on and wanted to increse strengh.
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Dbol is one of the best steroids for increasing weight very rapidly.
Nadrolone is a very popular drug to use by people looking to put on as much mass as possible with strength gains being unimportant to them.
I really couldnt think of a worse stack for somoene looking to minimize weight gain while increasing stregth. ALthough it’s certainly not impossible to do so with these two drugs alone its definitely not the best or 2nd or 3rd best route.
And as far as the test goes. I agree with the other guys. You should have some in there. Dbol/deca shouldn’t be an uncomfortable cycle if proper measures are taken to control prolactin BUT the main reason to include test is because many people would not decide to run dbol for 10 weeks straight. If your liver is otherwise healthy you probably wont run into any major problems but that’s a risk most choose not to take simply because it’s an unnecessary one. Test is nice to include in most cycles but it is not 100% necessary all the time. And it’s not necessary for the specific reason you gave.
[quote]Dale_14 wrote:
ok googled the deca only and it says alot about deca dick and to take test with it. That is why i’m on the d-bol to help with that. WHen is a good time to use the HCG i have read a shitload on this and i know how it works, but there is alot of people say post cycle and alot who say during cycle. I have clomid, nolva and hcg is what i was going to take post cycle.
As for the cabergoline if i order it know it would get here by the end of my cycle i only have 3 weeks left. I was also takeng 25 mg of Test Cyp but only once a week it was give to me for free so i added it in. I plan to start the pct the last day i take my last d-bol. You are right i didn’t reserch it enough, but i thought i had i put together the stack and the pct wrote out my training plan and diet plan and got to work. So with 3 weeks left and 400 mg of deca a week and 40mg of d-bol what are the recommendation so that i don’t make things bad for myself. I haven’t had any problems with ED but have noticed the boys are alittle smaller. Well i also did find why you run test with everything cuz your own test levels are so low the test compensates for it, or that is atleast what i read on a couple forums[/quote]
Well you live and learn I guess.
RE:HCG You can take it cycle long and many guys on prolonged cycles do. Or you can take it at the end of a cycle as you’re coming off to kickstart things down below although this is tricky since if you are coming all the way off hcg actually can be suppressive to your endogenous test. Myself personally since I tend to stay on for a long time when I have used hcg I used it on cycle. 250iu’s every 2-3 days. I think in an earlier post you question how to dose.
If you put 1ml of bact water into the vial it will give you 5000IU’s. So every 1/10th ml is 500iu and this .05ml is 250IU. This is how I did it since I took 250IU at a time.
Finally 25mg of Test Cyp a week is a waste of time you need to be at least at 150mg/wk just to hit TRT levels
been readin up on things and can’t say thanks enough for the blasting you guys gave me on gear and reserch, but i can’t find why test should be takin with every cycle. Please saps educate me on where to find and read about or tell me why.
Not to be rude but honestly just google it. Wikipedia has a nice article on it. Any muscle site like meso-rx or anyone gives you a bit more science. It pretty much tells you why. While I admire you desire to understand why its even more important to accept that it just should be done. I take a cholesterol statin drug. I might not totally understand why and how it works I just know it does and thats the important part.
There is a reason why so many advise your starter cycle just be 500-600mg of test alone a week. Its true once you graduate up the ranks you find in many cases you don’t need 2-3G of test depending on your goals. But test is almost always going to be part of a cycle