As a Christian I am personally against gay marriage, but it is for me really a matter of semantics. Marriage is a religious term to me implying union of a man and woman. If gays want to get “married in the eyes of the law” thats fine with me, whatever – but don’t call it marriage, because it isn’t. Call it “partners” or “union” or “legally bound.”
I don’t see religion as an evil made to control people in itself, but rather a powerful tool that is mishandled by many.
I still can’t get over that godhatesfags.com. That’s insane.
Deezlodog…if I believe the Bible is true…and it is…there is evidence to back it up…and I love God and follow Him…I have gained everything!
If I believe it is true and it turns out that it isn’t…I have lost nothing. I have lived a good life and enjoyed the best of what life offers.
Consider yourself…if you choose NOT
to believe in God and the Bible …and it turns out to be true…you have lost everything! If you believe God and Bible and follow Him…and it all ends up being phoney…what have you lost?..nothing…
Make sure you have the right answer.
Eternity is an awful long time…no matter where you are!
PtrDR - what bacteria are harmless to you or me yet not to gay people? Are you talking about how they’re exposed to it (anal sex)? Just trying to clarify.
And if the reason they don’t live as long is anal sex, then what about lesbians? Are they more monogamous than homosexual men? You seemed to use a homosexual’s shorter life span as a reason for them to not be monogamous. Maybe I misread your post, though.
I don’t think a person’s lifespan has an effect on their decisions for monogamy.
I am also in w/ God and Christ but I am not bring it into this topic.
I think a same sex marriage is wrong period. But, I do believe they have rights! Just, not this one.
Also, just to remind all Christians that in the bible gay sex is a sin and thats all it doesn’t say specificly that you will go to hell for it. All it means its wrong and bad for you. So its their sin that they have to deal w/ not yours or mine we have others.
I also believe what u do in private is your business and no onelse is. And that is one thing I hate about gay people all this coming out of the closet BS I am all for someone being gay if thats the lifestyle they choose but why announce it to the world. I don’t tell the world what female I been in bed w/ thats none of the worlds buisness but my own.
I am preparing myself for a lot of flame action on this post. So my flame protection suit is on high gear. Flame away T-mag.
Jared…I am not saying that is the only reason why they get otherwise harmless(to you or me) infections. Most of them admittedly do not use condoms. Certainly…the more sexual partners you have…the increased chance that you may get some type of sexually transmitted disease rises as well. The opprotunistic infections I am talking about are harmless to you or I; but not to someone who is immune system compromised.
Im saying that because they are NOT usually monogomous…they increase their risk of infection and possible death…this being a function of increased exposure to more sexual partners.
Why aren’t more of them monogomous? I am not sure about that and it really doesn’t matter.
The bottom line is this: if you are a male and you want to live long…don’t participate in unprotected anal sex…with or without multiple partners.
I can get you the NIH statistics if you are interested…
Don
Why the hell is the Supreme Court even concerning themselves with a case like this? Should anyone care what others do to stimulate their orifices? I think the Supreme Court has more important things to deal with.
Buuuuuut, since they went to the trouble we now have to address the issue.
My beef (no pun intended) is that this now opens the door (again, pardon the pun) to other nonsense. Does this now make it okay for sheep lovers to screw sheep in the privacy of their own home. If gay marriages are made legal, do we then allow a consenting adult to marry a chicken. If we have a consenting adult that "loves" his or her partner how is that any different than gay marriage? Now, of course this argument is silly but I can promise that this sort of crap is the next step. Especially with far left wackos and the decline in morality in this country.
My other problem with homosexuality, in general, is that it is abnormal. Meaning, it goes against nature and basic biological functions. As we all know two homosexuals cannot produce a baby. They cannot continue their genetic line. That goes against thousands of years of evolution.
There's these reasons, then there is the fact that anal sex spread diseases. So now it' "legal" for homosexuals with diseases to go spread them.
And no, we can't legislate morality, but we (our country) must find a middle-ground. "If it feels good do it" is no way for a society to function and grow in a positive manner. If we continue to legalize things such as gay marriage, drugs, etc (look at Canada and their legalization of heroin)we will only succeed in bringing our society down.
Look at the downfall of the Roman Empire. Although it was invaded by barbarians, the Roman Empire was in social and moral decline. Sodomy and pedophillia were running rampant amongst the aristocrats, or those with power. It was seen as entertainment. It then, spread to the military. Rome lost all it morals and discipline that made it a great empire.
Sorry, I got off subject. I just think we have to enforce morality to an extent. To what extent, I guess, is the argument.
Dustin
Karma and others who believe governments have not place in deciding morality
To argue that the governments can?t decide what is moral in the land they govern is idiotic. If you believe this you would believe that governments have no right to outlaw crimes as immoral.
Dustin…what a well thought out post! Your way better with words than myself!
Don
First of all Dustin,
You can’t cure societies ills with legislation.
Second,I read in my girlfriend’s medical books(she’s a nurse)that protected anal sex is the safest sex out there.Even more than vaginal
As for the rest of this thread I’m sure it’s full of GOD said this and GOD said that bullshit.
Well, now we’re starting to get into some of the I’m right because I say I’m right arguments. . . Let me address a couple of these:
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PtrDr said:
Deezlodog…if I believe the Bible is true…and it is…there is evidence to back it up…and I love God and follow Him…I have gained everything!
If I believe it is true and it turns out that it isn’t…I have lost nothing. I have lived a good life and enjoyed the best of what life offers. [/quote]
That’s an argument that I’ve heard before. The problem with it is that you’re assuming there are only two options:
a) My God is the only God.
b) There is no God.
The problem here is that there might well be another option:
c) The zoroastrians were correct
Or perhaps Muslims, Jews or countless other religions. What if you die and find yourself in the afterlife with Hades looking at you saying
" I’m afraid I’ve got some bad news. . . turns out the Ancient Greeks had the inside line on this one"
Wouldn’t you feel a right fool then?
The whole issue is just that untiil you die you’ve got no idea who’s faith is correct, perhaps we all are. Regardless you have no right to try and force your morality on others who may not share it.
On to the next one
Now here we have to realize that there is a substantial difference between marrying another human being of the same sex and an animal.
That difference is that the human can knowingly consent to this. The chicken cannot, afterall the chicken has no way to comprehend what’s happening and no way to make decisions about it. Humans on the other hand can choose. . .
Robert Heinlein pointed out a great number of times that there is really only one crime. That crime is to infringe upon the rights of another creature.
If what you’re doing doesn’t infringe upon my rights then go ahead and do it, I don’t care. If it does infringe on my rights than you shouldn’t do it. Fairly simple eh?
Gays marrying in no way infringes upon any of my rights.
STU
Ah crap, I missed this one (sorry Dustin).
Huh?
By encouraging monogomous relationships you would actually be preventing the spread of disease. Plus the last time I looked gays wereen’t the only ones who spread disease through sexual contact. . .
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Dustin said:
And no, we can’t legislate morality, but we (our country) must find a middle-ground. “If it feels good do it” is no way for a society to function and grow in a positive manner. If we continue to legalize things such as gay marriage, drugs, etc (look at Canada and their legalization of heroin)we will only succeed in bringing our society down. [/quote]
Again I say huh?
When the hell did we legalize heroin? Or arae you referring to the decrimilization of marijuana? Please get your facts straight before you attempt to slander my country. . .
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Yet again from Dustin:
Sorry, I got off subject. I just think we have to enforce morality to an extent. To what extent, I guess, is the argument.[/quote]
This is the whole issue.
WHO’S MORALITY?
Who gets to choose, obviously people have different ideas about what’s moral and what’s not. Why the hell should you get to choose?
STU
ps. please see my last post for my feelings on universal morality.
Interesting theory, Dustin, that gay marriage will actually ADD to a decline in morality. I don’t agree.
Also, marriage is sanctioned by the state. In America, we have separation of church and state. At least in theory we do. Under Bush, the separation is eroding.
One criticism I see here is “homosexuals are too promiscuous”. So it is funny to see people actually argue against marriage, something which would result in less promiscuity.
If you believe God and Bible and follow Him…and it all ends up being phoney…what have you lost?..nothing…
I don’t agree with that statement.
PtrDR - your original point was that most homosexuals don’t desire monogamy, and that leads to shorter life spans. I agree that the more partners you have, the more you are at risk for STD’s and the like. But what if offering homosexuals the opportunity to marry increases their desire for monogamy?
Homosexuals don’t grow up thinking about marriage; they grow up thinking about how others don’t consider them “normal”, how their family isn’t going to love them anymore, and how they’ll never be accepted by God. Whether or not any of these thoughts are true, many homosexuals still have to suffer through them.
I just think that there are other reasons for a lot of the gay culture other than “they’re ass-poking sodomites who will do anything to get in bed with another man.” Marriage could possibly address some of these issues.
Ptr: You miss the point. The Bible is one source of information in many sources. You have to do what works for you but the Bible isn’t the end all be all; morality and spiritual wellbeing can be learned from many things.
As far as evidence is concerned, there’s “evidence” that voodoo works. There is “evidence” that ESP works and people have taken pictures of “ghosts”. People believe what they want to and find ways of validating their beliefs.
I’m not an atheist but I also don’t read something that was written ages ago and take it literally.
bluey - I think they were referring to consensual activity that doesn’t harm others with regards to “morality”. Killing someone or stealing from someone hurts society as a whole, but does who you have sex with hurt society? And when I speak of harming society, I’m talking about things that take away from our survival and progression as a whole. Does who you poke harm that?
thats right Bluey…a crime is CERTAINLY immoral isn’t it?..I mean…its immoral to kill someone…and our government says its a crime to kill someone…so…they therefore judge what is moral from what is IMMORAL!
Its certainly moral to tell the truth and do good to your neighbor vs. doing something cruel or evil or damaging…right??!
Question: if what goes on behind the closed doors of a house between ‘consenting adults’ is ok, then what would prevent consensual adult incest between a divorced 50 year old father and his 23 year old daughter? Is there anything that would prevent their marrying except societal prejudice? Welcome to the slippery slope…
NukkleHead - The dangers inherent in inbreeding provide a difference here. Homosexuals aren’t making ass-babies. Bringing an inbred child into the world can be seen as harm to the child.