[quote]H factor wrote:
The rest of us are moving on.
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Maybe. Maybe not.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Plenty of states left defending traditional marriage. It’ll end up being reversed when this bit of arbitrary fad runs it’s course.[/quote]
Nah, this is the first tipping point. Look at the public opinions on gay marriage. The buildup has been quite impressive. This is only the beginning. [/quote]
Disagree. I don’t think it goes much further than this.[/quote]
Is this something you have good evidence on or just more wishful thinking like when you predicted Romney would win?
[quote]H factor wrote:
Oh bullshit. “Blacks do have the right. They have the right to live, just not the right to vote!”
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I’m so sick of that bullshit analogy. The Declaration declares their right and equality - all men created equally and entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Problem was the Constitution would never have been ratified with an anti-slavery clause and it took the Civil War and all that followed to extend to them their God-given right. Nothing to do with redefining marriage.
More crap. We’re already on the slippery slope. In fact, George McGovern and the gay rights lobby in the 70’s were advocating the Man Boy Love Association agenda. Polyamorous groups are springing up everywhere. We’re already halfway down the slope.
More false analogies. A more tiresome and repetitive argument I have rarely seen.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I have a question for all the pro-gay “marriage” advocates posting here. Why is it so important to you guys? Some of you seem to have some sort of fixation on the issue. Aren’t there more important things to discuss? I mean seriously, what is it with gay “marriage” that is of such pressing concern?[/quote]
It’s easily debated because everyone has a strong yes or no opinion on the issue and most people don’t see the cons to their position. All the other important things there is no solution A and B to debate, there is solution A to Z all of which have their pros and cons. As far as importance most gay people and their friends will vote democrat without looking at other issues, this is easily 1% of the vote and when elections are this close wouldn’t it be nice to make an issue like this go away? And until its legal everywhere its not going away, this is not an issue people change their mind on as they get older. Sure there may be some new liberal ideas in the future I will totally disagree with and be an old man republican myself one day but gay marriage is not one of them.[/quote]
“Impossible is a word only to be found in the dictionary of fools.” - Bonaparte
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I have a question for all the pro-gay “marriage” advocates posting here. Why is it so important to you guys? Some of you seem to have some sort of fixation on the issue. Aren’t there more important things to discuss? I mean seriously, what is it with gay “marriage” that is of such pressing concern?[/quote]
It’s easily debated because everyone has a strong yes or no opinion on the issue and most people don’t see the cons to their position. All the other important things there is no solution A and B to debate, there is solution A to Z all of which have their pros and cons. As far as importance most gay people and their friends will vote democrat without looking at other issues, this is easily 1% of the vote and when elections are this close wouldn’t it be nice to make an issue like this go away? And until its legal everywhere its not going away, this is not an issue people change their mind on as they get older. Sure there may be some new liberal ideas in the future I will totally disagree with and be an old man republican myself one day but gay marriage is not one of them.[/quote]
Agreed. I am open to much of what conservatives have to offer and I slide right and left on a number of issues. Without serious budget reform in the next four years I will believe it imperative to vote for a fiscal conservative in 2016 and will do so as long as s/he is moderately intelligent and doesn’t take some other position which I find too dangerous or repulsive. There are a number of other issues on which I can easily fall right of center.
But gay marriage simply isn’t one of them. And I believe this is true of many voters my age. It seems to me that public opinion on this particular issue is headed in one direction and one direction only.
In a few years, someone will come on PWI to explain us that :
-the “FurNations” (sic) deserve equality, and should not be discriminated.
-that bestiality is “not a pathology” but “a lifestyle”
-that “pets are people too”
-that “specie” is “culturally determined”, and not essential, just like gender.
-that allowing people to marry animals is just the next step toward a “post-anthropocentric world”. Just like the abolition of slavery back in the day was a naturel step toward a “post-ethnocentric world”.
-that opposing it is a symptom of specist bigotry.
-that social conservative are inconsistent because they are against abortion but against animal-marriage, which is a great and perfectly safe kind of birth control.
You may think it’s a slippery slope fallacy but … i did NOT invent such a phraseology. It already exists.
He’s an Austrian libertarian. Consenting adults in whatever imaginative arrangement they choose to call marriage. I’m sure he’d be quite happy for bi-sexual polyamorous, or simply polyamorous, arrangments to eventually follow homosexuality. Then non-romantic arrangements. His endgame is the state eventually giving up on recognizing any marriage. In the meantime he’s borrowing progressive ‘fairness’ argumentation.
There should only be one minarchist-libertarian position. And it isn’t the one they’ve adopted. They’ve unquestioningly adopted the progressive ‘fairness’ argument instead, because the anarchist-libertarian did. Except the anarchist-libertarian has a long term goal, the breaking down of state recognized marriage.
[quote]kamui wrote:
In a few years, someone will come on PWI to explain us that :
-the “FurNations” (sic) deserve equality, and should not be discriminated.
-that bestiality is “not a pathology” but “a lifestyle”
-that “pets are people too”
-that “specie” is “culturally determined”, and not essential, just like gender.
-that allowing people to marry animals is just the next step toward a “post-anthropocentric world”. Just like the abolition of slavery back in the day was a naturel step toward a “post-ethnocentric world”.
-that opposing it is a symptom of specist bigotry.
-that social conservative are inconsistent because they are against abortion but against animal-marriage, which is a great and perfectly safe kind of birth control.
You may think it’s a slippery slope fallacy but … i did NOT invent such a phraseology. It already exists.
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All analogies limp.
Sexmachine is right that gay marriage and black voting rights are not analogous.
Neither are homosexuality and bestiality.
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
More crap. We’re already on the slippery slope. In fact, George McGovern and the gay rights lobby in the 70’s were advocating the Man Boy Love Association agenda. Polyamorous groups are springing up everywhere. We’re already halfway down the slope.[/quote]
This is a complete load of shit and part of the reason why your side is losing and will continue to lose. Because people aren’t fucking advocating for pedophiles or anything like that in this cause. It’s quite simple you’re making an argument that this will lead us down a path to man marrying sardines or man marrying fucking doorknobs or whatever else bullshit you’d like to come up with.
In the states that have legalized gay marriage and have seen gay marriage we don’t have men marrying sardines and marrying doorknobs and all this other stuff that you think is definitely going to happen if we let two gay guys tie the knot. And yet youre STILL parroting it as if it’s definitely going to happen.
Whatever, you keep feeling the way you feel. You have the right to that. But you’re going to have to face the facts. Public opinion polls are sharply moving away from your view. A supreme court decision is coming. The younger generation doesn’t feel like you do. You can call it false evidence all day long and I know you WANT them to be false but they aren’t. It won’t happen tomorrow and it won’t be next year…but the tide is rising. You better get ready to be even more pissed off at this as it spreads.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I have a question for all the pro-gay “marriage” advocates posting here. Why is it so important to you guys? Some of you seem to have some sort of fixation on the issue. Aren’t there more important things to discuss? I mean seriously, what is it with gay “marriage” that is of such pressing concern?[/quote]
Gay marriage in America is actually not all that important to me, especially since I will be moving to Norway next year. I do think that gay people should have the right to marry, and I would vote for it on a referendum but beyond that I do not spend any time thinking about it and barely ever spend any time discussing it except when discussing election results.[/quote]
Sorry for hijack, but where in Norway are you moving to if you dont mind me asking?
[quote]florelius wrote:
Sorry for hijack, but where in Norway are you moving to if you dont mind me asking?
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Trondheim. I was offered a position at NTNU and the salary plus budget I will have access to for my research are better then anything that I have been offered anywhere else, plus I can teach in English until I learn Norwegian.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I have a question for all the pro-gay “marriage” advocates posting here. Why is it so important to you guys? Some of you seem to have some sort of fixation on the issue. Aren’t there more important things to discuss? I mean seriously, what is it with gay “marriage” that is of such pressing concern?[/quote]
It’s easily debated because everyone has a strong yes or no opinion on the issue and most people don’t see the cons to their position. All the other important things there is no solution A and B to debate, there is solution A to Z all of which have their pros and cons. As far as importance most gay people and their friends will vote democrat without looking at other issues, this is easily 1% of the vote and when elections are this close wouldn’t it be nice to make an issue like this go away? And until its legal everywhere its not going away, this is not an issue people change their mind on as they get older. Sure there may be some new liberal ideas in the future I will totally disagree with and be an old man republican myself one day but gay marriage is not one of them.[/quote]
“Impossible is a word only to be found in the dictionary of fools.” - Bonaparte[/quote]
If that’s your response why did you even ask this question in the first place?
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
Sorry for hijack, but where in Norway are you moving to if you dont mind me asking?
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Trondheim. I was offered a position at NTNU and the salary plus budget I will have access to for my research are better then anything that I have been offered anywhere else, plus I can teach in English until I learn Norwegian.
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Teach english… In addition to physics right?
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
In a few years, someone will come on PWI to explain us that :
-the “FurNations” (sic) deserve equality, and should not be discriminated.
-that bestiality is “not a pathology” but “a lifestyle”
-that “pets are people too”
-that “specie” is “culturally determined”, and not essential, just like gender.
-that allowing people to marry animals is just the next step toward a “post-anthropocentric world”. Just like the abolition of slavery back in the day was a naturel step toward a “post-ethnocentric world”.
-that opposing it is a symptom of specist bigotry.
-that social conservative are inconsistent because they are against abortion but against animal-marriage, which is a great and perfectly safe kind of birth control.
You may think it’s a slippery slope fallacy but … i did NOT invent such a phraseology. It already exists.
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All analogies limp.
Sexmachine is right that gay marriage and black voting rights are not analogous.
Neither are homosexuality ans bestiality.[/quote]
I’m not suggesting that gays are themselves analogous to beastophiles. I’m saying if you want to change - i.e. destroy, the institution of marriage then where do you draw the line? With the rapid onset of the “progressive” agenda anything is possible. Polyamorous groups will argue they are being denied the same “rights” granted to gays. Beastophiles will argue they are being denied the same “rights” granted to the polyamorous. Pedophiles will argue they are being denied the same rights as beastophiles. There’s already evidence of this - e.g. the Man Boy Love Association piggy backing on the gay rights lobbies back in the 70’s. Polyamorous groups demanding that their rights are recognised just as gay rights are being. That’s the slippery slope. And even if there were no slippery slope, there are a thousand reasons to preserve and maintain traditional marriage. Many of them having been expressed in this thread.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
Sorry for hijack, but where in Norway are you moving to if you dont mind me asking?
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Trondheim. I was offered a position at NTNU and the salary plus budget I will have access to for my research are better then anything that I have been offered anywhere else, plus I can teach in English until I learn Norwegian.
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Teach english… In addition to physics right?[/quote]
I won’t be teaching English, I will be lecturing in English. My contract will have a clause that I have a few years to learn and begin lecturing in Norwegian.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
Sorry for hijack, but where in Norway are you moving to if you dont mind me asking?
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Trondheim. I was offered a position at NTNU and the salary plus budget I will have access to for my research are better then anything that I have been offered anywhere else, plus I can teach in English until I learn Norwegian.
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Teach english… In addition to physics right?[/quote]
Teach in English. I assume he meant physics
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
In a few years, someone will come on PWI to explain us that :
-the “FurNations” (sic) deserve equality, and should not be discriminated.
-that bestiality is “not a pathology” but “a lifestyle”
-that “pets are people too”
-that “specie” is “culturally determined”, and not essential, just like gender.
-that allowing people to marry animals is just the next step toward a “post-anthropocentric world”. Just like the abolition of slavery back in the day was a naturel step toward a “post-ethnocentric world”.
-that opposing it is a symptom of specist bigotry.
-that social conservative are inconsistent because they are against abortion but against animal-marriage, which is a great and perfectly safe kind of birth control.
You may think it’s a slippery slope fallacy but … i did NOT invent such a phraseology. It already exists.
[/quote]
All analogies limp.
Sexmachine is right that gay marriage and black voting rights are not analogous.
Neither are homosexuality ans bestiality.[/quote]
I’m not suggesting that gays are themselves analogous to beastophiles. I’m saying if you want to change - i.e. destroy, the institution of marriage then where do you draw the line? With the rapid onset of the “progressive” agenda anything is possible. Polyamorous groups will argue they are being denied the same “rights” granted to gays. Beastophiles will argue they are being denied the same “rights” granted to the polyamorous. Pedophiles will argue they are being denied the same rights as beastophiles. There’s already evidence of this - e.g. the Man Boy Love Association piggy backing on the gay rights lobbies back in the 70’s. Polyamorous groups demanding that their rights are recognised just as gay rights are being. That’s the slippery slope. And even if there were no slippery slope, there are a thousand reasons to preserve and maintain traditional marriage. Many of them having been expressed in this thread.[/quote]
The polygamy argument is legitimate, but bestiality and pedophilia can be discounted immediately because sex without consent is rape.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
Sorry for hijack, but where in Norway are you moving to if you dont mind me asking?
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Trondheim. I was offered a position at NTNU and the salary plus budget I will have access to for my research are better then anything that I have been offered anywhere else, plus I can teach in English until I learn Norwegian.
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Teach english… In addition to physics right?[/quote]
I won’t be teaching English, I will be lecturing in English. My contract will have a clause that I have a few years to learn and begin lecturing in Norwegian. [/quote]
My mistake I misread that. Didn’t you mention something in a thread a while back about leaving teaching or was it just something you were considering until this came along?
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
Sorry for hijack, but where in Norway are you moving to if you dont mind me asking?
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Trondheim. I was offered a position at NTNU and the salary plus budget I will have access to for my research are better then anything that I have been offered anywhere else, plus I can teach in English until I learn Norwegian.
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Teach english… In addition to physics right?[/quote]
Teach in English. I assume he meant physics[/quote]
Yes, I will continue to teach physics. Just in English until I pick up the language.
[quote]H factor wrote:
This is a complete load of shit and part of the reason why your side is losing and will continue to lose. Because people aren’t fucking advocating for pedophiles or anything like that in this cause.
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You need to do some history learn’n my friend. McGovern did exactly this. He supported the Man Boy Love Association’s demands to lower the age of homosexual consent to 12. To 12! And that was 40 years ago!
Ah no, it’s quite obvious that was a throw away line and an attempt at humour.
Good grief! You’d have to be autistic to miss the fact that I was joking. No, I’m not concerned about men marrying sardines or door knobs as I firmly believe that will never happen.
I am part of the younger generation(relatively). I guess you thought I was an old white dude or something?
Well you guys are in for one hell of a fight I can tell you that. There is no way I’m going to lie down for this crap. I’m not going to let a bunch of “progressive” goons alter my fundamental beliefs.