Gay Marriage: Traditional Marriage Predates State and Church

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]GLOCKTHNP wrote:
Once a nations value and morale system breaks down, the family breaks down, once the family breaks down, the nation breaks down. We are watching it before our very eyes! Our nation’s blessing’s ceased the minute we tolerated wrongful acts upon innocent lives for nothing more than in most cases than selfishness. A life is terminated because some selfish girl is seventeen and still wants to go to spring break in two-months. Great reason to kill someone I guess for some. That is an issue all can see whether you believe or not. Nevertheless, some medical life threatening reasons may warrant abortion in very few cases.

Now, desecrating the meaning of something that is over 2000-years-old and is sacred to us is wrong. Call gay marriage, gay marriage, but do not call it marriage. Deep down in every person they know it is wrong, yet we are human and weak. I know you seek to desecrate everything that is woven in the bible because you seek to live upon your own accord without a conscious. However, that conscious will never cease because it was put there by your creator now matter how much you deny it. That is fine deny it, he gave you that choice to make.[/quote]Pretty good man
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Why?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
“Deep down in every person they know it is wrong”

A fire. Please, go die in it. And all your loved ones. Please.[/quote]

Please logically debate.

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[quote]GLOCKTHNP wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
“Deep down in every person they know it is wrong”

A fire. Please, go die in it. And all your loved ones. Please.[/quote]

Please logically debate.

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Well, all your loved ones dying in a fire without you would still leave you alive. You dying in a fire alone would be fitting enough, I suppose, but burning to death while knowing/hearing/smelling your loved ones suffering the same fate seems more appropriate.

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[quote]GLOCKTHNP wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
Discussed to death in other threads. Yes, it’s great if a child can be raised by healthy, competent biological parents. However, there are millions of children with abusive parents, deceased parents, etc. who are far better off being raised by loving, committed adoptive gay parents than staying in a toxic family situation, or being raised by an institution.
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This is a patently false self-serving post. There are no long-term studies to prove that children are better off living with two homosexuals. Furthermore, there is no proof that being homosexual is genetic. That means that perhaps (just maybe) children being raised by two homosexuals would have a much higher degree of becoming a homosexual. Certainly until we know how one becomes a homosexual (or why) we should never put children in the care of homosexuals.

Stop the propaganda forlife it’s really getting old.[/quote]

Not being a devils advocate, I am honestly curious, why does homosexuality=bad? [/quote]

It’s bad on a lot of levels, procreation probably being at the top of the list. But let’s look at the governments own CDC statistics shall we?

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm

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Wow, I was not aware of that. I am pretty libertarian, so I don’t personally feel its the governments business. Do you think legalizing gay marriage would see those statistics increase?

Brother Chris, would you elaborate? I know a few gay people that would say it is completely natural. Also, Im aware of several versions (I can’t think of a better word to describe it) of natural law, I’m not well read enough to say they all go against gay marriage.
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Apparently it’s so unnatural it’s existed since the dawn of mankind. [/quote]

Which is probably when traditionalists Christians would say that the unnatural effects of sin entered the world-though homosexuality also occurs in animals.[/quote]

It cracks me up when people use animal’s homosexuality to human homosexuality. An animal knows two things that its instinct tells it, 1). It is horny and rubbing its penis on anything makes it feel better hence homosexuality 2). To continue to do this until instinctively it finds the right hole and relives this urge to breed. If animals had hands like humans there would be a lot less homosexuality and more masturbation. This is a poor excuse for human homosexuality and always will be.
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I didn’t make it an excuse. You are not allowed to jump into a post a respond to it out of context.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< Well, all your loved ones dying in a fire without you would still leave you alive. You dying in a fire alone would be fitting enough, I suppose, but burning to death while knowing/hearing/smelling your loved ones suffering the same fate seems more appropriate.[/quote]Life doesn’t have to be full of bitterness and misery my friend.

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[quote]GLOCKTHNP wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]GLOCKTHNP wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
…who I lost when I met Jesus. [/quote]

Where did you meet Jesus? At the grocery store? Movie theater? Flea market?

Is this the same as when people claim to “find” Jesus?[/quote]

You cannot deny what is in a mans inner being. Something no other organism in this universe has. Just because you have chosen not to have a relationship with God does not mean he does not or I do not. Closed minded is he that has chosen the wide gate.[/quote]

A shizophreniac is he who hears voices.

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The prideful and fearful. I have walked both paths have you?
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Why, of course.

And I did not once feel the need to turn to a higher power.

Well actually I did, but I still could not bring myself to play pretend.

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[quote]GLOCKTHNP wrote:
Once a nations value and morale system breaks down, the family breaks down, once the family breaks down, the nation breaks down. We are watching it before our very eyes! Our nation’s blessing’s ceased the minute we tolerated wrongful acts upon innocent lives for nothing more than in most cases than selfishness. A life is terminated because some selfish girl is seventeen and still wants to go to spring break in two-months. Great reason to kill someone I guess for some. That is an issue all can see whether you believe or not. Nevertheless, some medical life threatening reasons may warrant abortion in very few cases.

Now, desecrating the meaning of something that is over 2000-years-old and is sacred to us is wrong. Call gay marriage, gay marriage, but do not call it marriage. Deep down in every person they know it is wrong, yet we are human and weak. I know you seek to desecrate everything that is woven in the bible because you seek to live upon your own accord without a conscious. However, that conscious will never cease because it was put there by your creator now matter how much you deny it. That is fine deny it, he gave you that choice to make.[/quote]

So the US decline is due to abortion and homosexuality?

Well, that probably explains why the ME is doing so well then.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< Well, all your loved ones dying in a fire without you would still leave you alive. You dying in a fire alone would be fitting enough, I suppose, but burning to death while knowing/hearing/smelling your loved ones suffering the same fate seems more appropriate.[/quote]Life doesn’t have to be full of bitterness and misery my friend.
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Hey, he wanted a logical debate.

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[quote]mertdawg wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
And “our nature” is not the same as “natural”.[/quote]

Wait…what?[/quote]

You said it was an argument that “our nature” was the same as dumb animals.

(which is not true)

But the argument was that what dumb animals do is natural.

What dumb animals do can be natural, but not be in “our” nature.[/quote]

It’s also not natural for us to do what dumb animals do.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< Hey, he wanted a logical debate.[/quote]I should have known that logic to you would mean fantasizing about a man and his family dying a horrific agonizing death while listening to each other suffer.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< Hey, he wanted a logical debate.[/quote]I should have known that logic to you would mean fantasizing about a man and his family dying a horrific agonizing death while listening to each other suffer.
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Yeah well, inspired by Christian mythology.

And dont pretend that there are not a lot of Christians wishing this on people who disagree with them, I am sorry, they regret they this will be their inevitable fate, teehee, and they pray for their souls.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
And “our nature” is not the same as “natural”.[/quote]

Wait…what?[/quote]

You said it was an argument that “our nature” was the same as dumb animals.

(which is not true)

But the argument was that what dumb animals do is natural.

What dumb animals do can be natural, but not be in “our” nature.[/quote]

It’s also not natural for us to do what dumb animals do.[/quote]

That’s my point. He said homosexuality has been around since the dawn of man. I said that its been around in animals-so what, SIN has been around since the dawn of man, and we make moral choices, animals don’t.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

A fire. Please, go die in it. And all your loved ones. Please.[/quote]

Disgusting. I’ve tolerated you for some time, while keeping my expectations low about your actual contributions, and now I am reminded of why I never should have wasted my time in the first place.

You compound being a terrible debater with being a disrespectful and hateful worm. Can’t unring that bell.

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[quote]GLOCKTHNP wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
“Deep down in every person they know it is wrong”

A fire. Please, go die in it. And all your loved ones. Please.[/quote]

Please logically debate.

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You will first need to embrace and apply logic to your own position before you ask someone to logically debate.

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[quote]mertdawg wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
And “our nature” is not the same as “natural”.[/quote]

Wait…what?[/quote]

You said it was an argument that “our nature” was the same as dumb animals.

(which is not true)

But the argument was that what dumb animals do is natural.

What dumb animals do can be natural, but not be in “our” nature.[/quote]

It’s also not natural for us to do what dumb animals do.[/quote]

That’s my point. He said homosexuality has been around since the dawn of man. I said that its been around in animals-so what, SIN has been around since the dawn of man, and we make moral choices, animals don’t.[/quote]

one little problem there; I don’t believe in that whole Adam and Eve fairy tale.

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[quote]orion wrote:<<< And dont pretend that there are not a lot of Christians wishing this on people who disagree with them, >>>[/quote]No true Christian wishes hell on anybody. I certainly don’t and have given no indication that I do, ever.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

A fire. Please, go die in it. And all your loved ones. Please.[/quote]

Disgusting. I’ve tolerated you for some time, while keeping my expectations low about your actual contributions, and now I am reminded of why I never should have wasted my time in the first place.

You compound being a terrible debater with being a disrespectful and hateful worm. Can’t unring that bell.[/quote]

C’mon, that was hilarious. You take this forum far too seriously.

I highly doubt Capped really wants him and his family to die.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]mertdawg wrote:
And “our nature” is not the same as “natural”.[/quote]

Wait…what?[/quote]

You said it was an argument that “our nature” was the same as dumb animals.

(which is not true)

But the argument was that what dumb animals do is natural.

What dumb animals do can be natural, but not be in “our” nature.[/quote]

It’s also not natural for us to do what dumb animals do.[/quote]

That’s my point. He said homosexuality has been around since the dawn of man. I said that its been around in animals-so what, SIN has been around since the dawn of man, and we make moral choices, animals don’t.[/quote]

one little problem there; I don’t believe in that whole Adam and Eve fairy tale.[/quote]

Where did I reference that?
I think what you meant to say is that you don’t believe in sin.

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[quote]mertdawg wrote:<<< Actually I hold that human homosexuality is a sin and that sin entered the world by man. <<<>>> And “our nature” is not the same as “natural”.[/quote]I agree. Both counts. I gotta say. I may have missed it, but I’m having a hard time figuring out where exactly you’re coming from.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:<<< I highly doubt Capped really wants him and his family to die.[/quote]I don’t