[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< Please explain to me how I do not ‘concur’ with the Father? Do I not rebuke those who sin? Do I not love the sinner? Do I loath the sick man, instead of his illness? Do I not refrain from soothing the sinner and adding fuel to his sin? Do I not use prudence in my judgments?
I am no following, either you’re seeing something I am not or you didn’t watch and listen to the Father.[/quote]That’s not what he said Chris and it’s right there for all to view. He said specifically that to say that GOD loves sinners while hating their sin is a satanic lie. He went so far as to remove all doubt by saying God will not be casting acts of sin into the lake of fire, but sinners who He hates. I agree. Watch it again. That’s very reformed of him =] In fact if you’ll remember I commended the man with eyebrows raised when you first made the mistake of showing me this. I could have almost said just about everything he does in this homily (sermon, but who cares) myself. I do hasten to add that this does not mean that we are so privileged as to know the elect and thereby permitted to hate sinners like God does. He can do it and we can’t.
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I transcribed the sermon for you, let’s take a look.
Emphases [MY COMMENTS]
If you remember that part of the Gospel and the devil tempts our lord in the desert, he sites sacred scripture, misusing the word of G-d to deceive the son of God. The devil today is still capable of using the same technique. He cites the word of G-d in order to deceive the sons of G-d. It seems that the favorite scripture passage that the devil uses today is from St. Matthew’s Gospel 7:1, “do not judge, that you may not be judged.” How often do we hear that cited today?
“Do not judge, lest thou be judged.” And, it goes right along with this that the Devil’s favorite virtue today is non-judgmentalism, an imprudent tolerance. [ALMOST ANYTIME I TALK ABOUT THE SUBJECT I SAY WE HAVE TO USE OUR PRUDENCE WHEN WE JUDGE, IF WE GO AS FAR AS SAY A CALVINIST AND SAY THEY ARE GOING TO HELL, WE’RE STEPPING OUR BOUNDS. IF WE SAY THEY ARE GOING TO HEAVEN WHEN THEY ARE AN OPEN SIN WE’RE NOT BEING PRUDENT] And believe me, many Christians have been fooled by this who have all sorts of qualms of conscience about being judgmental, but they won’t have any problem with missing mass on Sunday. [I HAVE NO PROBLEM JUDGING MY FELLOW BROTHER AND REBUKING HIM, AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE MISSING SUNDAY MASS.]
So, what is the proper understanding of our Lord’s words, “do not judge, that you may not be judged”? Our Lord here is referring here to rash judgments. To come to negative conclusions about someone with no reasonable foundation. [SOUNDS LIKE A CERTAIN CALVINIST I KNOW] He’s talking about making judgments that are motivated by envy or detraction.[WHAT, DETRACTION, I WONDER WHY A CALVINIST WOULD SAY ALL CATHOLICS ARE BASICALLY GOING TO HELL?] Or, to judge a person’s intentions with no clear evidence.[LORDY, LORDY. AMEN, FATHER! PREACH IT!] Or, to judge the subjective state of someone’s soul, [THAT HAS TO STING FOR OUR FELLOW CALVINIST GOING AROUND CONDEMNING FOLKS TO HELL, MUST GET THE BLOOD BOILING, WITH SUCH MEDIEVAL, NON-REFORMED SPEAKING!] which of course is hidden to us – we can’t see that.[OORAH!]
Our Lord is not talking about making judgments regarding things that are evident to us.[PAY ATTENTION! AS I HAVE DONE HERE, I HAVE CONDEMEND SEXUAL IMMORALITY, DRUNKNESS, MURDER, &C. I HAVE REBUKED THOSE WHO HAVE ADMITTED TO THOSE THINGS, HOWEVER I TRY AND COME WITH…LOVE AND CHARITY] For example, someone openly dissents from the Church’s teaching on contraception. Well, that is heresy! That is clear! That is evident to us! And, we should point it out. We can and we must make these kinds of judgments. Although, we should always try and interpret our neighbor’s actions in the most favorable light. At the same time we have to remember that saintliness is not silliness. St. Jerome says in regard to this scripture passage, “Christ does not altogether forbid judging, but directs us how to judge. The thing that does not regard us, we should not undertake to judge,” that is some things just aren’t any of our business. [I AM SURE THE BUSY BODIES ARE JUST ROLLING OVER IN THEIR COMPUTER CHAIRS RIGHT HERE, ASKING THEMSELVES, “NONE OF MY BUSINESS?” â??BUT, I CREATED THIS CHURCH, IT IS MY BUSINESS.â?? I THINK YAâ??LL MIGHT HAVE REPLACED G-D WITH YOURSELF, THEN] But he says, bare faced vice and notorious sinners should be condemned and reprobated by all. [OORAH!]
[Here it is tirib; here is your favorite part]
Another popular saying that we hear today, thought it’s not from scripture is also very much used by the devil in order to promote his false virtue of tolerance and that is love the sinner but hate the sin. [YEP, HE FINALLY CONDEMNED, CAN’T LOVE THE SINNER! DO NOT COME WITH HOPE AND CHARITY; DO NOT PASS GO, GO STRAIGHT TO HELL!] While there is a certain truth to this, [UH…ABOUT TO DO A 180?] we must at the same time recognize the limits of this saying. [PREACH FATHER!] We cannot go so far as to remove personal responsibility from the sinner for his sin. [CHECK, GOT THAT DOWN] After all, crimes are not sent to jail, but criminals are.[OKAY, GOT THIS ONE DOWN, TOO] G-d does not condemn sin to hell, but he does condemn sinners.[I MUST HAVE BLINKED, DID HE SAY SOMEWHERE IN HERE “SINNERS WHO G-D HATES”, OH BOY, THIS GUY IS SOUNDED LIKE HE LIVES IN THE MIDDLE AGES, AND HE’S A MARY WORSHIPPER, TOO! ANATHEMA!!!] In a very real way, sins are not entirely distinct from the one that commits them. [OKAY, THIS MUST BE THE WHOLE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY SLASH FREE WILL SLASH WE HAVE TO GO TO CONFESSION AND DO PENANCE THING CATHOLICS ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT.]
Personal sins have a real effect on our person. A man who regular steals renders himself a thief. A woman who is in an adulterous relationship makes herself an adulterous. You see how what we choose the misuse of our free will has a real effect on our being. [HOLY BABY JESUS, BLESS US! WE HAVE FREE WILL; HE MUST BE A THOMIST, A PAGAN WORSHIPER!]
St. Augustine [OH, HE’S BRINGING OUT THE AUGUSTINE, HE’S GOING TO DO A 180 AGAIN AND CASTE THE SINNERS INTO HELL AND ADMIT THAT G-D HATES SINNERS, NOW SHH…LET’S WATCH!] happens to mention both of these things making judgments and also hating the sin and loving the sinner. He mentions both of these things in one single quote and so we finish with his words, he says, "concerning those things then which are known to G-d, unknown to us, we judge our neighbors at our peril [PREACH IT FATHER AUGUSTINE, PREACH THE GOOD NEWS!] …of this the Lord has said, ‘judge not,’ but concerning things which are open and public evils we may and ought to judge and rebuke,[AMEN!] but still with charity and love.[THE WHEELS ON THE CALVINIST BUS GO ROUND AND ROUND, ROUND AND… EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR…WHAT? CHARITY AND LOVE, THIS IS NON-SENSE CONDEMN THEM TO HELL, FATHER AUGUSTINE! G-D HATES SINNERS!] Hating not the man, but the sin. Detesting not the sick man, but the disease. [LET ME JUST REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME…HATING NOT THE MAN, BUT THE SIN. DESTING NOT THE SICK MAN, BUT THE DISEASE!] For unless the open adulterer, thief, habitual drunkard, trader unless they should be judged and punished that would be fulfilled which the blessed martyr Cyprian has said, 'he who sooths the sinner with flattering words administers fuel to his sin.â?? [PREACH IT BROTHER CYPRIAN!]
In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti, amen
