[quote]Tiribulus wrote:Why should you care what we or an imaginary god thinks?
[/quote]Because its lobotomized religious fanatics like you who obstruct him from entering into the same contract with his partner as a heterosexual man could enter into with his.[/quote] You missed my point. He can fight for his “rights” without attempting to find justification in the scriptures of a religion he doesn’t believe in. I do not look to the Koran for anything because I couldn’t possibly care less what the Koran says. I am not on Muslim message boards trying to tell them their scriptures teach the deity of Christ because their opinion means nothing to me in that regard.[/quote]
You missed his point. He didn’t try to justify himself in your scriptures, he said that the religious argument against homosexuality is weak even if the bible is accurate, which it very clearly isn’t.
As an aside, I can only imagine how annoyed you with be with a Muslim who would constantly recite verses from the Koran as though they were fact… the way you do, with the bible, to nonchristians.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< I can only imagine how annoyed you with be with a Muslim who would constantly recite verses from the Koran as though they were fact… the way you do, with the bible, to nonchristians.[/quote]Not at all. What’s the difference between them and any other unbeliever? How often do I get annoyed with you guys flinging unbelief at me?
And I’m pretty sure some religious zealot was sitting around in the small-town barbershop in the 50’s lamenting the same dubious claim.[/quote]
There are stones onto which cuneiform was written in ancient mesopotamia in 2800BC that complain that children no longer to their parents and that this poor generation is proof of a forthcoming apocalypse.
2800 BC. That’s nearly 5000 years of humanity complaining it’s children aren’t up to the job.
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< Which is why you need the Holy Spirit to guide you to the correct interpretation. How do you know if it’s really the Holy Spirit, as opposed to personal misinterpretation? Obviously, if someone disagrees doctrinally with you, they are misinterpreting the scripture. Those, and only those, that agree with you are truly inspired.[/quote]You can be sure if you come up something that the church universal just hasn’t been up to discovering for 2000 years and only you and your exclusive group see it that it isn’t the Holy Spirit. It’s like this pal. Enjoy your life and forget about Jesus and the bible. You couldn’t care less anyway. Why bother with this tie dyed kissy faced campaign to pervert the universally accepted view of homosexuality in the church since day one? Why should you care what we or an imaginary god thinks?
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Your first sentence perfectly described your idiosyncratic Calvinist doctrine of a puppeteer god who chooses who to save and who to damn, contrary to what anyone actually desires. The vast majority of Christians fundamentally disagree with you on this critical doctrine, yet you insist that you have the inside track to the Holy Spirit and they are all misguided. Thanks for proving my point.
I care what you and your imaginary god think because you vote for laws that directly and negatively affect my life. If you kept your beliefs within your church walls, I couldn’t care less what you tell yourselves.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:Why should you care what we or an imaginary god thinks?
[/quote]Because its lobotomized religious fanatics like you who obstruct him from entering into the same contract with his partner as a heterosexual man could enter into with his.[/quote] You missed my point. He can fight for his “rights” without attempting to find justification in the scriptures of a religion he doesn’t believe in. I do not look to the Koran for anything because I couldn’t possibly care less what the Koran says. I am not on Muslim message boards trying to tell them their scriptures teach the deity of Christ because their opinion means nothing to me in that regard.[/quote]
I’m showing how your idiosyncratic religious beliefs are not as clear cut as you claim, given the bible as a source for those beliefs. Millions of Christians read the same bible you do, and find no justification for condemning gays.
At the very least, you could be consistent. If you’re going to use the bible to condemn gays, you should actively promote stoning us to death. And while you’re at it, you should condemn women for having their faces uncovered, or for daring to speak in church.
There’s nothing more disgusting than a cherry picking Christian to justify selectively discriminating against certain classes, while turning a blind eye to other biblical injunctions that have become less socially acceptable over time.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:Why should you care what we or an imaginary god thinks?
[/quote]Because its lobotomized religious fanatics like you who obstruct him from entering into the same contract with his partner as a heterosexual man could enter into with his.[/quote] You missed my point. He can fight for his “rights” without attempting to find justification in the scriptures of a religion he doesn’t believe in. I do not look to the Koran for anything because I couldn’t possibly care less what the Koran says. I am not on Muslim message boards trying to tell them their scriptures teach the deity of Christ because their opinion means nothing to me in that regard.[/quote]
I’m showing how your idiosyncratic religious beliefs are not as clear cut as you claim, given the bible as a source for those beliefs. Millions of Christians read the same bible you do, and find no justification for condemning gays.
At the very least, you could be consistent. If you’re going to use the bible to condemn gays, you should actively promote stoning us to death. And while you’re at it, you should condemn women for having their faces uncovered, or for daring to speak in church.
There’s nothing more disgusting than a cherry picking Christian to justify selectively discriminating against certain classes, while turning a blind eye to other biblical injunctions that have become less socially acceptable over time.[/quote]
[quote]Eli B wrote:<<< high-school kids. >>>[/quote]Nothing but an overwhelming move of the power and transforming might of the most high God will stop that generation from driving the final nail into the coffin lid of this once great nation.
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Well, logically, if you want the credit for having kept this nation, you deserve the blame for having fucked up our future, right? I mean, if me and my views (and I have felt that complete equality in terms of personal choice is a guarantee in life since I was younger than my memory serves me reliably) are to become the majority, you really fucked up under your guidelines.
Empires are maintained by committed men and women and a productive society which doesn’t squander wealth. Sexuality never had anything to do with it.
[quote]Bambi wrote:<<<There are stones onto which cuneiform was written in ancient mesopotamia in 2800BC that complain that children no longer to their parents and that this poor generation is proof of a forthcoming apocalypse.
2800 BC. That’s nearly 5000 years of humanity complaining it’s children aren’t up to the job.
[/quote]Fascinating, seeing that we get the word apocalypse(revelation) which means an unveiling or bringing forth, from the Greek word apokalypsis. I also said nothing about an apocalypse, by which you mean the end of the world or civilization. I said the United States which has nothing to do with an apocalypse. The world will likely go on a while after we have finished destroying our nation.
You’re making arguments using scriptures from your sci-fi book.[/quote]
Ad hominem. If you don’t see the importance of the Bible in Western culture, I can’t help you. However, I wasn’t the one to bring the Bible into the topic, I only pulled it out when someone asked for proof that Jesus condemned homosexuality. So, go on to the corner and realise that I was speaking on terms of Natural Law, until someone decided to pull out the subject of the Bible. It’s like in court, if the defense attorney pulls out character evidence, the prosecutor gets to bring out character evidence.
A marriage between man and women is relatively recent social institution…interesting. I guess since the beginning of time we have been having butt babies, until recent times.
[quote]Eli B wrote:
Have any of you looked at polling data from the younger generations attitudes toward gay marriage? Me neither and I’m not in the mood to hunt it down. However I understand that its overwhelmingly in favor. Now go ahead and speak condescendingly about the opinions of high-school kids but I don’t think their opinions are going to change much as they grow up and become the fat middle swath of the electorate.[/quote]
This doesn’t make sense, are you assuming that HS persons agree that gay marriage should be allowed so that is why we should allow it? Another reason to be against universal suffrage.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Its always the same shit: christians want to dictate who can marry who, christians want to decide on womens reproductive rights, christians want to dictate what can be taught in public schools, christians want to enforce prayer in schools, christians want to ban books…
and then they whine “Waaah, why do you care what we believe? Its not like it affects yooooouu…”[/quote]
Uh, it’s not just Christians. And, America is based on Natural Law, so don’t you find it that we should continue to build on Natural Law?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Ad hominem. If you don’t see the importance of the Bible in Western culture, I can’t help you.[/quote]
It’s a historic relic, nothing more you ignorant cretin. Much as we should keep Hindu, Buddhist and Islamic texts around to learn what our past as a species was, we should treat the Bible no differently. It is NOT a historical record, it is history mixed with superstition and not-so-hidden agendas.
Just because you are a terrible, shallow and pathetic human being who can’t see that harming others is bad without a sci-fi novel telling you so, it does not mean others are like you. Those of us who DON’T have double digit IQs can see quite clearly that gay marriage will not destroy civilization and make countries crumble.
The sheer idiocy that the anti-gay marriage crowd spews out just on this board should be proof enough that it will be idiots like you that will be the downfall of civilization, not two guys getting married.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Its always the same shit: christians want to dictate who can marry who, christians want to decide on womens reproductive rights, christians want to dictate what can be taught in public schools, christians want to enforce prayer in schools, christians want to ban books…
and then they whine “Waaah, why do you care what we believe? Its not like it affects yooooouu…”[/quote]
Uh, it’s not just Christians. And, America is based on Natural Law, so don’t you find it that we should continue to build on Natural Law?[/quote]
Stop saying this.
Your definition of what is acceptable as Natural Law comes directly from the Catholic Church. So before you start spouting off Thomas Aquinas again, don’t. Your Church propaganda is old and tired. There are many schools of thought in Natural Law, and you ignore anything your secret child molesters club ignores.
[quote]Eli B wrote:
Have any of you looked at polling data from the younger generations attitudes toward gay marriage? Me neither and I’m not in the mood to hunt it down. However I understand that its overwhelmingly in favor. Now go ahead and speak condescendingly about the opinions of high-school kids but I don’t think their opinions are going to change much as they grow up and become the fat middle swath of the electorate.[/quote]
This doesn’t make sense, are you assuming that HS persons agree that gay marriage should be allowed so that is why we should allow it? Another reason to be against universal suffrage.[/quote]
I find restricting personal liberty to be a violation of Natural Law. I believe in a God that you cannot comprehend with the dogmatic intensity in which you place your faith in. You can’t realize nor understand that you are damning yourself in your unwillingness you be truly of right heart. You merely exhort the message you believe is your obligation to ascertain a your salvation. You squabble over interpretation and guidelines while never comprehending the so easy to understand message. We have the ability, as humanity, to rend space itself in two. Yet instead of cooperation there are those amongst us who pound on the gavel, whisper in the pubs, cry in the crowds. They say, “We are upon the time which will decide our fate! We have sinned, we have broken our covenant, and our spiritual essence has become diluted. We can expect only chaos!” They claim there is a disease in society that is cancerous and malignant. “It is spreading, God help us before it comes to claim us as collateral for the sins of another!” They inspire us to shun our neighbors, they require us to lynch our desires, all because they have forseen the end and it is hideous. Only they never realize that they are not judged on their contributions to the whole. As they seek to save us from ourselves, their flailing arms slowly ensnare us all.
Two societies are left on planet earth. They are separated by the only pure source of drinking water on this planet. One side practices strictly heterosexual practices. Ejaculation itself must only occur on instances of attempted procreation. Divorce is banned. Across the body of water there is another society that does not include such reservations. There is an amalgamation of unions, nuclear and queer. Sometimes multiple men live with one female and raise the kids. Marriage exists as a legal procedure, but is not defined except as a union between at least two human parties. Adoption is also legal and binding for those within the union. Divorce is also a part of the legal system. The bureaucracy is fluid to adjust, however the focus is on the fostering the successive generations of children. Thus, a single mother is afforded extra attention from the bureaucracy, a single father the same. The state also maintains a foster system, and life is sufficiently hard enough that there are not much to speak of in the way of luxuries. Assuming harvest yield is consistently producing at 100% for both societies, population growth will not occur past a point. Does anybody think there won’t be any homosexuals in the first society, or does anyone suffer in the second society?
If there is no supra human court beyond which there is no appeal then literally anything and or nothing whatsoever is ultimately just as certainly uncertain as literally anything or nothing else.
@Kanada:
Your awe inspiring childish theoretical ignorance has my hat off in sincere appreciation. Maybe Sloth will come along to handle this as this is right up his alley and would represent an effortless one handed spankin for him. I am not up to it at the moment.
[quote]Bambi wrote:<<<There are stones onto which cuneiform was written in ancient mesopotamia in 2800BC that complain that children no longer to their parents and that this poor generation is proof of a forthcoming apocalypse.
2800 BC. That’s nearly 5000 years of humanity complaining it’s children aren’t up to the job.
[/quote]Fascinating, seeing that we get the word apocalypse(revelation) which means an unveiling or bringing forth, from the Greek word apokalypsis. I also said nothing about an apocalypse, by which you mean the end of the world or civilization. I said the United States which has nothing to do with an apocalypse. The world will likely go on a while after we have finished destroying our nation.
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are you really being this nit-picking about a word which I used to paraphase? Yes apocalypse comes from ancient greek ‘apo’ the preposition (which normally takes the genitive) meaning from and kaluptein, the verb meaning to cover. I studied ancient greek for 5 years but are you seriously saying because I paraphrased with the word apocalypse that makes my point invalid?
And you used the phrase with regard to your country’s youth ‘drive the nail into the coffin’ - pretty apocalyptic language no?
It’s a shame we’re arguing because normally I agree with your posts
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Ad hominem. If you don’t see the importance of the Bible in Western culture, I can’t help you.[/quote]
It’s a historic relic, nothing more you ignorant cretin. Much as we should keep Hindu, Buddhist and Islamic texts around to learn what our past as a species was, we should treat the Bible no differently. It is NOT a historical record, it is history mixed with superstition and not-so-hidden agendas.[/quote]
Historical relic? It’s one of the most influential pieces of literature in the West. We know your Mother is Hindu, but that hasn’t influenced the West as much as the Bible. Get over it, its not going away.
