[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< You have no proof for that beyond your own interpretation of something that happened to you, that you have no other explanation for. >>>[/quote]Not by your standards no, but I have the explanation that is not merely satisfactory to me, but totally unavoidable. >>>[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote: <<<Like I said before, you don’t think its funny that you, living in America, where Christianity is the most popular religion, are “elected” by the god of christianity? [/quote]LOL. What I believe, though it once was, is definitely not the most popular expression of religion OR Christianity in America. This country would not be the decaying putrefying caricature of itself that it is if it were. I do not find it funny. I find it unthinkably merciful and loving that a weak debauched abomonoid like me could not only have my debt paid for and be declared not guilty, but then be taken in as son, brother and bride by the king and judge. Regardless of what country it was made known to me in.
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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< You have no proof for that beyond your own interpretation of something that happened to you, that you have no other explanation for. >>>[/quote]Not by your standards no, but I have the explanation that is not merely satisfactory to me, but totally unavoidable. >>>[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote: <<<Like I said before, you don’t think its funny that you, living in America, where Christianity is the most popular religion, are “elected” by the god of christianity? [/quote]LOL. What I believe, though it once was, is definitely not the most popular expression of religion OR Christianity in America. This country would not be the decaying putrefying caricature of itself that it is if it were. I do not find it funny. I find it unthinkably merciful and loving that a weak debauched abomonoid like me could not only have my debt paid for and be declared not guilty, but then be taken in as son, brother and bride by the king and judge. Regardless of what country it was made known to me in.
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Son, brother, and bride…so not only do you believe in gay marriage, you also support incestual marriage. But that’s ok because Jesus is your husband?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< You have no proof for that beyond your own interpretation of something that happened to you, that you have no other explanation for. >>>[/quote]Not by your standards no, but I have the explanation that is not merely satisfactory to me, but totally unavoidable. >>>[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote: <<<Like I said before, you don’t think its funny that you, living in America, where Christianity is the most popular religion, are “elected” by the god of christianity? [/quote]LOL. What I believe, though it once was, is definitely not the most popular expression of religion OR Christianity in America. This country would not be the decaying putrefying caricature of itself that it is if it were. I do not find it funny. I find it unthinkably merciful and loving that a weak debauched abomonoid like me could not only have my debt paid for and be declared not guilty, but then be taken in as son, brother and bride by the king and judge. Regardless of what country it was made known to me in.
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The opposition to gay marriage expressed in this thread is based on personal interpretations of a particular holy book, nothing more. Not only is there no objective proof for the validity of this particular holy book, but people are inconsistent and in disagreement regarding what it actually says.
Let’s say the bible really was an accurate record. Not that I believe it is, but let’s go with that working assumption for now.
If that is the case, why aren’t even the most fundamentalist believers here in support of the old testament commandment to stone gays? Is it considered ok to disparage homosexuality, while ignoring the punishment dictated by their holy book? Would you dare to ignore God?
Oh…that’s ok because everything changed with the new covenant. But if everything changed with the new covenant, all of those scriptures you’re fond of quoting from the old testament to support condemning gays are obsolete by your own admission. So stop quoting them.
But…Paul says some bad things about gays in the new testament! However, in the entire gospel, Jesus doesn’t say a single word against gays. In fact, nobody says anything against gays…not Peter, not Mark, not John, nor any other apostle or disciple of Christ. Furthermore, Peter, the chief apostle and right hand of Jesus, clearly disagreed with Paul on several of his teachings, and specifically said as much. Paul had issues as a recovering Pharisee, he was contradicted by Peter, and he is your only source for hating on gays.
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< Peter, the chief apostle and right hand of Jesus, clearly disagreed with Paul on several of his teachings, and specifically said as much. Paul had issues as a recovering Pharisee, he was contradicted by Peter, and he is your only source for hating on gays. >>>[/quote]Here you go again with your breathtaking scholarship. First, Peter and Paul ultimately disagreed on nothing. Peter called Paul’s writing’s scripture and it was Paul who straightened out Peter on the judaizers. They were in complete agreement on the abomination of homosexuality. I’ll let you look for yourself because I’m at work at the moment. Many other abominations too. Some of which I have participated in so I view you as no less deserving of His grace and mercy than myself. Repent, forsake your sin, turn to Him and live.
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< Peter, the chief apostle and right hand of Jesus, clearly disagreed with Paul on several of his teachings, and specifically said as much. Paul had issues as a recovering Pharisee, he was contradicted by Peter, and he is your only source for hating on gays. >>>[/quote]Here you go again with your breathtaking scholarship. First, Peter and Paul ultimately disagreed on nothing. Peter called Paul’s writing’s scripture and it was Paul who straightened out Peter on the judaizers. They were in complete agreement on the abomination of homosexuality. I’ll let you look for yourself because I’m at work at the moment. Many other abominations too. Some of which I have participated in so I view you as no less deserving of His grace and mercy than myself. Repent, forsake your sin, turn to Him and live.
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Provide the scriptural citation where Peter specifically agreed with Paul that homosexuality is an abomination. If you can’t provide it, a retraction is in order.
Peter and Paul disagreed on nothing? Really? They disagreed doctrinally on numerous occasions. Furthermore, Peter said that Paul is hard to understand, and that people would twist his words…maybe he was talking about you. (2 Peter 3:16).
Can you point to a single statement by Jesus, Matthew, Mark , Luke, John, Peter, or any apostle or disciple of Christ condemning homosexuality outside of Paul, whom we were specifically warned about? Anyone at all?
Paul had issues, about gays, about women, and about other social norms due to his steep Pharisaical indoctrination. He was sincere, but he was far from perfect, and that is why he had to be corrected by Peter on numerous occasions.
Paul had issues, about gays, about women, and about other social norms due to his steep Pharisaical indoctrination. [/quote]
But Sky Wizard wouldn’t let personal bias into Magic Book!
Because the all powerful “Prime Mover” (who invented this little thing called the universe) couldnt just put the perfect holy book into existence… that’d be waaaay too hard for him. It had to be done by his inferior creatures. Makes perfect sense.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< You have no proof for that beyond your own interpretation of something that happened to you, that you have no other explanation for. >>>[/quote]Not by your standards no, but I have the explanation that is not merely satisfactory to me, but totally unavoidable. >>>[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote: <<<Like I said before, you don’t think its funny that you, living in America, where Christianity is the most popular religion, are “elected” by the god of christianity? [/quote]LOL. What I believe, though it once was, is definitely not the most popular expression of religion OR Christianity in America. This country would not be the decaying putrefying caricature of itself that it is if it were. I do not find it funny. I find it unthinkably merciful and loving that a weak debauched abomonoid like me could not only have my debt paid for and be declared not guilty, but then be taken in as son, brother and bride by the king and judge. Regardless of what country it was made known to me in.
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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:<<< You have no proof for that beyond your own interpretation of something that happened to you, that you have no other explanation for. >>>[/quote]Not by your standards no, but I have the explanation that is not merely satisfactory to me, but totally unavoidable. >>>[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote: <<<Like I said before, you don’t think its funny that you, living in America, where Christianity is the most popular religion, are “elected” by the god of christianity? [/quote]LOL. What I believe, though it once was, is definitely not the most popular expression of religion OR Christianity in America. This country would not be the decaying putrefying caricature of itself that it is if it were. I do not find it funny. I find it unthinkably merciful and loving that a weak debauched abomonoid like me could not only have my debt paid for and be declared not guilty, but then be taken in as son, brother and bride by the king and judge. Regardless of what country it was made known to me in.
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So our laws should reflect your mythology?
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You would rather have them reflect yours?
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Either New Deal romanticism or national greatness conservatism.
Paul had issues, about gays, about women, and about other social norms due to his steep Pharisaical indoctrination. [/quote]
But Sky Wizard wouldn’t let personal bias into Magic Book!
Because the all powerful “Prime Mover” (who invented this little thing called the universe) couldnt just put the perfect holy book into existence… that’d be waaaay too hard for him. It had to be done by his inferior creatures. Makes perfect sense.[/quote]
Which is why you need the Holy Spirit to guide you to the correct interpretation. How do you know if it’s really the Holy Spirit, as opposed to personal misinterpretation? Obviously, if someone disagrees doctrinally with you, they are misinterpreting the scripture. Those, and only those, that agree with you are truly inspired.
Paul had issues, about gays, about women, and about other social norms due to his steep Pharisaical indoctrination. [/quote]
But Sky Wizard wouldn’t let personal bias into Magic Book!
Because the all powerful “Prime Mover” (who invented this little thing called the universe) couldnt just put the perfect holy book into existence… that’d be waaaay too hard for him. It had to be done by his inferior creatures. Makes perfect sense.[/quote]
Which is why you need the Holy Spirit to guide you to the correct interpretation. How do you know if it’s really the Holy Spirit, as opposed to personal misinterpretation? Obviously, if someone disagrees doctrinally with you, they are misinterpreting the scripture. Those, and only those, that agree with you are truly inspired.[/quote]
Unless later in life you change your mind… in which case you can look back on your “sinful, fallen man” beliefs and rejoice that the Holy Ghost saved you for real this time.
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< Which is why you need the Holy Spirit to guide you to the correct interpretation. How do you know if it’s really the Holy Spirit, as opposed to personal misinterpretation? Obviously, if someone disagrees doctrinally with you, they are misinterpreting the scripture. Those, and only those, that agree with you are truly inspired.[/quote]You can be sure if you come up something that the church universal just hasn’t been up to discovering for 2000 years and only you and your exclusive group see it that it isn’t the Holy Spirit. It’s like this pal. Enjoy your life and forget about Jesus and the bible. You couldn’t care less anyway. Why bother with this tie dyed kissy faced campaign to pervert the universally accepted view of homosexuality in the church since day one? Why should you care what we or an imaginary god thinks?
Why should you care what we or an imaginary god thinks?
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Because its lobotomized religious fanatics like you who obstruct him from entering into the same contract with his partner as a heterosexual man could enter into with his.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:<<< Your point of view is that of a gallant knight that is more interested in purity than anything else.[/quote]My point is that God in the beginning, before the introduction of sin into the Earth, ordained that a marriage consist of one man and one woman while both were alive. Christ not only restored, but further exalted that institution to reflect the glory of His marriage to His church bride (Ephesians 5:22 and following). Man’s uneven, inconsistent, abhorrent practice, total ignorance or utter rejection of this is entirely irrelevant.
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Don’t you also mean one man and more than one woman too? Let’s at least be historically accurate.
Its always the same shit: christians want to dictate who can marry who, christians want to decide on womens reproductive rights, christians want to dictate what can be taught in public schools, christians want to enforce prayer in schools, christians want to ban books…
and then they whine “Waaah, why do you care what we believe? Its not like it affects yooooouu…”
[quote]Eli B wrote:<<< high-school kids. >>>[/quote]Nothing but an overwhelming move of the power and transforming might of the most high God will stop that generation from driving the final nail into the coffin lid of this once great nation.
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And I’m pretty sure some religious zealot was sitting around in the small-town barbershop in the 50’s lamenting the same dubious claim.
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Its always the same shit: christians want to dictate who can marry who, christians want to decide on womens reproductive rights, christians want to dictate what can be taught in public schools, christians want to enforce prayer in schools, christians want to ban books…
and then they whine “Waaah, why do you care what we believe? Its not like it affects yooooouu…”[/quote]
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:Why should you care what we or an imaginary god thinks?
[/quote]Because its lobotomized religious fanatics like you who obstruct him from entering into the same contract with his partner as a heterosexual man could enter into with his.[/quote] You missed my point. He can fight for his “rights” without attempting to find justification in the scriptures of a religion he doesn’t believe in. I do not look to the Koran for anything because I couldn’t possibly care less what the Koran says. I am not on Muslim message boards trying to tell them their scriptures teach the deity of Christ because their opinion means nothing to me in that regard.