[quote]rising_hope wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
So you’re saying that most gay people have HIV? You are smoking crack. We don’t even know how many gay people there are in this country, let alone a statistic with any verifiable weight that would say what percentage of them are infected with HIV. Please put the pipe down.
No bro, I’m saying that the CDC (US Centers for disease control) states that almost 50% of HIV/AIDS is in the homo population. Doesn’t matter if you believe it or not, it is still a fact.
Sure, it’s true. But, as was pointed out earlier, HIV was brought into this country to the gay community first. It would seem extremely obvious why gay men make up the majority of those infected in this country, then. What’s your point? If you want a “statistic” on the number of hiv infected gay men, if you buy Kinsey’s number of 10% of the population being gay, that breaks down to roughly 1 in 27 gay men should be infected, using the CDC statistic on reported cases, and the 45% figure. High, yes. But 100%? Not even close.
Ok, let’s talk about the “orientation”. Would you agree that it is the thought or idea of being sexually attracted to the same sex?
If we agree on that premise, then what damage could this orientation have on anyone other than the person thinking it if these feelings were never acted upon? Answer, not much. Similarlly, a man who thinks about having sex with children is not a child molester until he acts on those impulses.
There is a HUGE difference here. Sexual orientation is about attraction, yes. Plenty of homosexuals get married, only to end up in disaster later (Former Gov. McGreavy, for example.) Regardless, when a homosexual chooses to engage in consentual homosexual sex with another homosexual, they are not hurting anyone. Same way that when a hetrosexual man and woman have consentual sex, it’s not hurting anyone. The child molester who has not acted on it (yet) is still a child molester.
However, when he acts on his basic impulses, he is hurting the other individual involved. In the same way, non-consentual sex between two adults is still wrong. Regardless of which sex it is, and who’s forcing what. It’s rape.
The fact is bro, that many guys have these feelings/thought, but also recognize them as being incorrect and never act on them. I do not clasify these guys as homo’s.
And any psychologist will tell you that it is highly damaging to repress sexual orientation. You cannot remove innate sexual orientation. It has been tried. And it does fail. And it hurts everyone involved.
The fact is also that many guys who have been gay have become straight.
I challenge you to find me one that you know personally who will stand before me and tell me that he has changed, and then further challenge you to follow up with me in 3 or 4 years and tell me if he still feels he is “cured” of his condition. This is not a psychological malformation. There is plenty of documentation to attest to this. While there are some psychologists out there who still claim otherwise, the overwhelming majority feel that these “half-way houses” for “ex-gays” a TOTAL FAILURE and HIGHLY DAMAGING.
So they have changed their behavior when they understood that their “orientation” was destructive and not positve. If you don’t believe me check out: http://www.peoplecanchange.com/
It’s a site done by guys who have done just what I stated and want to help others in the same situation.
See above…
I will say that being gay has a dark side, though. The current metrosexual trend is a direct result of integration of gayness into mainstream culture. A guy came over to visit my roomate yesterday wearing a pink shirt. I don’t even own a pink shirt… never have. He looked like he could bench press a soda straw. Sad.
What the hell do pink shirts have to do with metrosexuality (I still think that’s a bizarre expression)? Fashion comes and goes. What about the 60-80s when clothing came in all sorts of crazy colors and everything had flowers and weird crazy shit. Just cause the 90s were conservative dress compared to the last 3 decades doesn’t mean that pink is suddenly “metrosexual.” God forbid pink become popular (even on women.) I HATE the color. But, it has nothing to do with metrosexuality.
Next, you want to know the facts about how destructive the gay behavior really is? No, I didn’t think so as you don’t want to know the truth. But for those who might, check out these studies at:
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet3.html
You truly are a pathetic person, aren’t you? The “family research institute” is nothing more than a political action commitee the uses fallicious “data” to try and make broad sweeping suggestion in order to supress gays. It has nothing to do with “family” or “research” as the name implies. Much like the American “family” association.
These wacked loosely-religious based groups exploit friendly, caring terms and expressions to spread messages of fear and hate, and idiots like you buy into it… Do you honestly think gays “average” 106-1105 oral sexual partners per year? That’d be a partner ever 3 days - 3 a day. Heck, I think any man would be overwhelmed to have that much sex (3 times a day for the rest of his life) let alone 3 different partners a day for the rest of his life. Besides, how is a broad range an “average” in the first place? What a TOTAL load of bullshit!
I don’t think I can debate any longer with someone who is so completely blind to accept such utter nonsense and lies. I will, however, continue to debate with others.[/quote]
This is the response I expected. You can’t refute the facts with actual facts, so you attack the institution, website, organization etc… Then label it to try and discredit the organization is hopes that it will make the facts seem less factual. Well sport, incase you missed it, this website has all of it’s research documented with the source of the study, etc… So your name calling will have little effect becuase they have done their homework and you have not. This is probably how the term “homophobe” started.
As for the change thing, many people do change a lot of things, including child molesters. The site states many have changed and I don’t have any facts to refute that and neither do you.
