Gay Marriage Down in Flames!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
When will you begin targeting blacks and hispanics for their overwhelming support for Prop 8 instead of the Mormon church, which is white? [/quote]

How about all of the above? Homophobia is higher among blacks and hispanics than among whites, which was documented and well known prior to the vote on Proposition 8.

That will change with time, but I doubt the Mormon church will ever change its view that homosexuality is evil (although it did reverse its position on blacks when politically pressured to do so in the 70s).

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Yeah, uh, I actually provided evidence for this. Spitzer wrote about it in his paper. Keep preaching homosexuality, brother![/quote]

Your “evidence” is from a lone psychologist who has admitted to having an anti-gay agenda. Yet you expect people to take his word over the collective consensus of every major medical and mental health organization? Dream on.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
How many times will you repeat this tired mantra? Are you going to sit here and tell us that gay activism in the 1970s had no influence on the APA’s decision to remove homosexuality from the DSM-II?

Do you honestly believe gay activism has no influence on the APA and other medical organizations now?

Political activism can raise questions, but provides no answers. It is the job of science to do that, which is precisely what the medical and mental health organizations have done exhaustively over the past 35 years.

How about you? Do you believe that the CONCLUSIONS OF EVERY MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH ORGANIZATION ARE SO POLITICALLY BIASED THAT THEY ARE WORTHLESS? Seriously??[/quote]

The conclusions are constantly changing. The APA has recently changed it’s pamphlet on homosexuality. The old pamphlet contained this paragraph:

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[quote]"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation.

Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors.

Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."[/quote]

It furthermore affirms a person’s right to self-deterimination:

[quote]Helpful responses of a therapist treating an individual who is troubled about her or his samesex attractions include helping that person actively cope with social prejudices against homosexuality, successfully resolve issues associated with and resulting from internal conflicts, and actively lead a happy and satisfying life.

Mental health professional organizations call on their members to respect a person?s (client?s) right to self determination; be sensitive to the client?s race, culture, ethnicity, age, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, socioeconomic status, language, and disability status when working with that client; and eliminate biases based on these factors.[/quote]

So, rather than you treating the “scientific consensus” like the tablets of the Law, why don’t you just acknowledge that the science is still inconclusive on homosexuality and that the causes are complex and at this time unknown?

It is clear that the politics have influenced the APA and that the pendulum needs to swing back to a more sober appraisal of the actual science rather than putting out pamphlets that read like GLBT propaganda. And stop blaming all of your psychological problems on straights.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Yeah, uh, I actually provided evidence for this. Spitzer wrote about it in his paper. Keep preaching homosexuality, brother!

Your “evidence” is from a lone psychologist who has admitted to having an anti-gay agenda. [/quote]

Except that he was the guy who got homosexuality de-listed from the DSM-II in the first place, and that was the paper that influenced the decision. Get your story straight.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
When will you begin targeting blacks and hispanics for their overwhelming support for Prop 8 instead of the Mormon church, which is white?

How about all of the above? Homophobia is higher among blacks and hispanics than among whites, which was documented and well known prior to the vote on Proposition 8.
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So where are your protests for the First AME church of Compton? Cowards.

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That will change with time, [/quote]

Unlikely. Hispanics overwhelmingly shot it down in 2000 with prop 22. They’re likely to become more “homophobic” after seeing the Big Gay Hissy Fit of 2008 on their televisions every night. I can’t wait to see how your protest on Saturday turns out.

Your political strategy ought to turn towards disenfranchisement of blacks and hispanics if you want to succeed at the polls. Or, you can just try to ram it through the courts again. My prediction is that whatever “rights” the courts assign you will not positively affect your mental health status in the long run and likely turn voters against you.

Blacks and hispanics haven’t been indoctrinated into as much “queer theory” as whites, so they tend to be much less PC about these matters.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
So, rather than you treating the “scientific consensus” like the tablets of the Law, why don’t you just acknowledge that the science is still inconclusive on homosexuality and that the causes are complex and at this time unknown? [/quote]

Who the hell is talking about the causes of homosexuality? I’m referring to the unanimous conclusions of every major medical and mental health organization that homosexuality is not a mental disorder, people don’t choose their sexual orientation and cannot change it, reparative therapy can be damaging, etc.

Those conclusions are based on solid science conducted during the course of 35 years and published in respected peer reviewed journals, not on the NARTH website.

I do find it interesting that you suddently decide to give credence to the APA given its recognition of multiple factors (genetics/environment) in determining sexual orientation. Weren’t you just claiming in your last breath that the APA is so politically biased and driven by a pro-gay agenda that their conclusions are worthless? Which is it?

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Except that he was the guy who got homosexuality de-listed from the DSM-II in the first place, and that was the paper that influenced the decision. Get your story straight. [/quote]

He is also the guy that has been misquoted by frothing anti-gay bigots, and has spoken out against them:

Unfortunately Focus on the Family has once again reported findings of my study out of context to support their fight against gay rights.

Regardless, only an idiot would take the word of one psychologist over the collective consensus of every major and medical health organization based on 35 years of research.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Your political strategy ought to turn towards disenfranchisement of blacks and hispanics if you want to succeed at the polls.[/quote]

Right, just like whites should have been disenfranchised during the civil rights movement to prevent blacks from gaining equal rights.

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[quote]joshjuk wrote:
All kidding aside, this is a step in the right direction. Hopefully we will eliminate this garbage from our society.[/quote]

Seriously, who in the fuck even says something like that?

Put a fucking bullet in your head as soon as possible.

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Because god knows there aren’t any masculine gays who don’t do drugs or have diseases.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Because god knows there aren’t any masculine gays who don’t do drugs or have diseases.[/quote]

No but the more feminine you allow men to act the less gender roles come into play. People forget who and what they are.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
No but the more feminine you allow men to act the less gender roles come into play. People forget who and what they are.[/quote]

Let people be who they want to be instead of imposing your idea of a gender role on them.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
I threw that statement out there in order to debate whether those who call themselves “homosexuals” should have any consideration at all regarding gay marriage because they can have sex with either gender.
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I can have sex with a watermelon, but I don’t want to marry it.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Tell that to those men who have given up that lifestyle and enjoy being married to a woman.
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Oh, you mean men like Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper who founded Exodus International? They were poster boys of the ex-gay movement, and insisted that they had become straight.

Years later they left Exodus and admitted that they had been gay all along, but had repressed their true nature. They had a commitment ceremony together and issued a public apology for their role in Exodus.

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Wow, that is so filled with stereotypes, half-truths, and outright lies I don’t even know where to start.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
I can have sex with a watermelon, but I don’t want to marry it.[/quote]

Is the watermelon fucked, or inserted?