Gay Marriage Down in Flames!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
2) Marriage is not a right so quit crying about your rights, no one is violating rights.

Equal treatment under the law is a right. To set up a government program that rewards the actions that follow one natural orientation, but excludes those whos actions follow another, is hardly equal treatment under the law.[/quote]

So by your argument I should be able to get apply for handicap parking even though I don’t technically have a a handicap.

Or I should be able to claim my nephew on my taxes because I really want a son. And even though I don’t technically have one you shouldn’t be able to stop me.

We are not keeping you from any rights.

And equal access is a myth. Long gone because of special interest groups like homosexuals so don’t be surprised if we fight to maintain what dignity is left in once great nation.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
pat wrote:
Well I do not know about the nature vs. nurture arguments or any of the other stuff…Lot’s of people like all kinds of different things that I cannot understand why they like it, but none of that matters. What matters is this, they way you like to have sex and the people you like to have sex with entitles you to nothing special.

Gays have exactly the same rights as everybody else. I think it is absurd to think that because you like to have sex with the same sex, you “deserve” special rights, you do not. You are the same as everybody else and you deserve no further consideration because your gay then I do because I am not.
Being gay does not entitle you to shit.

I really hate the entitlement mentality, it’s horseshit.

Ooooh, right, the mythical “special right” that same sex marriage would grant homosexuals…

are you just going to keep repeating this bullshit till someone believes you, or are you going to actually point out what this mysterious “special right” would be?

“Oh god! They want the marriage license to say “Mr” and “Mr” instead of “Mr” and “Ms”. The horror! The special treatment! The entitlement mentality!!!”
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It is a horror that you expect me to teach my children your disusting deviant behavior is right and normal and should be expected.

It seems some people on this site have a problem understanding the difference between natural and normal or correct.

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[quote]apbt55 wrote:
It is a horror that you expect me to teach my children your disusting deviant behavior is right and normal and should be expected.

It seems some people on this site have a problem understanding the difference between natural and normal or correct.
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So you agree that homosexuality is natural (in that it occurs in nature and is to be expected within any population), even though you consider it to be abnormal and incorrect/immoral?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
pat wrote:
Well I do not know about the nature vs. nurture arguments or any of the other stuff…Lot’s of people like all kinds of different things that I cannot understand why they like it, but none of that matters. What matters is this, they way you like to have sex and the people you like to have sex with entitles you to nothing special.

Gays have exactly the same rights as everybody else. I think it is absurd to think that because you like to have sex with the same sex, you “deserve” special rights, you do not. You are the same as everybody else and you deserve no further consideration because your gay then I do because I am not.
Being gay does not entitle you to shit.

I really hate the entitlement mentality, it’s horseshit.

Ooooh, right, the mythical “special right” that same sex marriage would grant homosexuals…

are you just going to keep repeating this bullshit till someone believes you, or are you going to actually point out what this mysterious “special right” would be?

“Oh god! They want the marriage license to say “Mr” and “Mr” instead of “Mr” and “Ms”. The horror! The special treatment! The entitlement mentality!!!”
[/quote]

Was there a point to this or do you think your could eek out an argument how ever weak it may be?

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[quote]pat wrote:
Well I do not know about the nature vs. nurture arguments or any of the other stuff…Lot’s of people like all kinds of different things that I cannot understand why they like it, but none of that matters. What matters is this, they way you like to have sex and the people you like to have sex with entitles you to nothing special.

Gays have exactly the same rights as everybody else. I think it is absurd to think that because you like to have sex with the same sex, you “deserve” special rights, you do not. You are the same as everybody else and you deserve no further consideration because your gay then I do because I am not.
Being gay does not entitle you to shit.

I really hate the entitlement mentality, it’s horseshit. [/quote]

…if gays are exactly like everybody else, then why can’t they get married like everybody else?

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
ephrem wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
ephrem wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…homosexuality has been part of humanity since it began.

So has murder what’s your point?

…what’s yours?

Worldpopulation exceeds 6 billion today. Gay marriage will not change that.

As far as I know the most compelling argument against gay marriage is NOT that it will curtail population. So…again you’re not making sense.

…how can that be an arguement against gay marriage? Thát does not make sense…

In any case, the world hasn’t ended for those countries reasonable enough to allow gay marriage,

The world hasn’t ended? No one said that it would if gay marriage were allowed.

…it was a figure of speech, something you’re obviously not accustomed with…

You need to actually understand why so many of us are against gay marriage. You obviously have no grasp on the current debate. Here try this…read up on the topic and then post back.

…you have no valid arguements against gay marriage, that is clear to anyone with some reasoning skills…

Talk about the DNA calling the RNA a nucleic acid.

You have no arguable point either.

  1. does not follow the current definition of marriage, find another institution, oh that’s right you have one it is called a civil union. Leave the rest of us producers alone.

  2. Marriage is not a right so quit crying about your rights, no one is violating rights.

…let’s change the definition of marriage to include samesex marriages then. Problem solved!

Question…

Why should something thats been around for thousands of years be changed in order to accomodate a certain group that feels like their rights are being stepped on and doesnt want their feelings hurt?[/quote]

…because a society that has evolved far enough to recognize that homosexuality is a natural/biological occurance, and that those who are gay aren’t deviants, sick or misguided, should have acces to everything straight people have, even if that means re-evaluating old traditions to fit new standards…

…that the USA lags this far behind in granting basic human rights to those who are needlessly denied access to them, casts a somber shadow on the idea that this the land of the free…

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[quote]pat wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
pat wrote:
Well I do not know about the nature vs. nurture arguments or any of the other stuff…Lot’s of people like all kinds of different things that I cannot understand why they like it, but none of that matters. What matters is this, they way you like to have sex and the people you like to have sex with entitles you to nothing special.

Gays have exactly the same rights as everybody else. I think it is absurd to think that because you like to have sex with the same sex, you “deserve” special rights, you do not. You are the same as everybody else and you deserve no further consideration because your gay then I do because I am not.
Being gay does not entitle you to shit.

I really hate the entitlement mentality, it’s horseshit.

Ooooh, right, the mythical “special right” that same sex marriage would grant homosexuals…

are you just going to keep repeating this bullshit till someone believes you, or are you going to actually point out what this mysterious “special right” would be?

“Oh god! They want the marriage license to say “Mr” and “Mr” instead of “Mr” and “Ms”. The horror! The special treatment! The entitlement mentality!!!”

Was there a point to this or do you think your could eek out an argument how ever weak it may be?[/quote]

Actually, you’re the one making a claim with nothing to back it up. You assert (repeatedly) that homosexuals, in pushing for same sex marriage, are attempting to get a “special right”.

They want the right to marry the person they want to marry. You already have the right to marry the person you want to marry. Who has the “special right”?

Also, if it becomes clear that I need to explain that by “person” I mean “consenting adult”, I will discontinue this exchange.

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Well, it looks like young adults aren’t overwhelmingly on board wit gay marriage either: it’s split 50/50, not quite the 60/40 that the media told us. It appears that the militant gays have one option: ramming it through the courts.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
pat wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
pat wrote:
Well I do not know about the nature vs. nurture arguments or any of the other stuff…Lot’s of people like all kinds of different things that I cannot understand why they like it, but none of that matters. What matters is this, they way you like to have sex and the people you like to have sex with entitles you to nothing special.

Gays have exactly the same rights as everybody else. I think it is absurd to think that because you like to have sex with the same sex, you “deserve” special rights, you do not. You are the same as everybody else and you deserve no further consideration because your gay then I do because I am not.
Being gay does not entitle you to shit.

I really hate the entitlement mentality, it’s horseshit.

Ooooh, right, the mythical “special right” that same sex marriage would grant homosexuals…

are you just going to keep repeating this bullshit till someone believes you, or are you going to actually point out what this mysterious “special right” would be?

“Oh god! They want the marriage license to say “Mr” and “Mr” instead of “Mr” and “Ms”. The horror! The special treatment! The entitlement mentality!!!”

Was there a point to this or do you think your could eek out an argument how ever weak it may be?

Actually, you’re the one making a claim with nothing to back it up. You assert (repeatedly) that homosexuals, in pushing for same sex marriage, are attempting to get a “special right”.

They want the right to marry the person they want to marry. You already have the right to marry the person you want to marry. Who has the “special right”?

Also, if it becomes clear that I need to explain that by “person” I mean “consenting adult”, I will discontinue this exchange.

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I was going to bring up the goat thing… darn. Actually I just don’t give enough of a shit so it really doesn’t matter. I just don’t see where because you guys like to fuck guys, or girls like to fuck girls they need legislate something special for them. However if they do, wooptie do, no skin off of my ass. So I am out because I just do not care if they want to marry each other.
Some people like to fuck goats, shouldn’t they be able to marry the goat?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
It is a horror that you expect me to teach my children your disusting deviant behavior is right and normal and should be expected.

It seems some people on this site have a problem understanding the difference between natural and normal or correct.

So you agree that homosexuality is natural (in that it occurs in nature and is to be expected within any population), even though you consider it to be abnormal and incorrect/immoral?[/quote]

yeah so is schizophrenia and autism and bestiality and pedophilia.

But it doesn’t make it a normal ,correct behavior.

And just because someone has been trying to brain wash the youth into thinking that since it occurs it is the right thing to do doesn’t mean all of us bought it.

People deserve love and compassion. But we do not have to celebrate their acts.

Which are by most scientist, and I do not include a majority of doctors in that because they couldn’t think their way out of a proverbial paper bag, do conclude it is a deviancy.

I mean just because a guy has a shoe fetish doesn’t mean he can marry his shoe, no matter how sexy he thinks it makes him.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
pat wrote:
Well I do not know about the nature vs. nurture arguments or any of the other stuff…Lot’s of people like all kinds of different things that I cannot understand why they like it, but none of that matters. What matters is this, they way you like to have sex and the people you like to have sex with entitles you to nothing special.

Gays have exactly the same rights as everybody else. I think it is absurd to think that because you like to have sex with the same sex, you “deserve” special rights, you do not. You are the same as everybody else and you deserve no further consideration because your gay then I do because I am not.
Being gay does not entitle you to shit.

I really hate the entitlement mentality, it’s horseshit.

…if gays are exactly like everybody else, then why can’t they get married like everybody else?

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Pat I think he is missing the point, no one is stopping said man from marrying the woman of his dreams.

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[quote]AndyG wrote:
Geez, the Americans on here like to talk about all their freedoms but they don’t even have freedom of sexuality.

Maybe the gays need to have higher gun ownership.[/quote]

Agreed. Gay bashing/violence against gays is all too common. The Pink Pistols have that covered:

Their motto is “Armed gays don’t get bashed”

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[quote]Agreed. Gay bashing/violence against gays is all too common.

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No, it isn’t. There were only 1500 incidences of violence last year against gays in the US of a population of 300 million.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
Question…

Why should something thats been around for thousands of years be changed in order to accomodate a certain group that feels like their rights are being stepped on and doesnt want their feelings hurt?[/quote]

That’s right! Why should change occur? It’s not like Malcolm X fought for change.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
the militant gays[/quote]

lol

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Agreed. Gay bashing/violence against gays is all too common.

No, it isn’t. There were only 1500 incidences of violence last year against gays in the US of a population of 300 million. [/quote]

1500…that were reported. And you say those were the acts of violence.
1500 acts of violence fails to account for the day-to-day harassment and belittlement that homosexuals encounter because of their sexual orientation.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Agreed. Gay bashing/violence against gays is all too common.

No, it isn’t. There were only 1500 incidences of violence last year against gays in the US of a population of 300 million. [/quote]

One is more than I’m comfortable with.

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[quote]MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Agreed. Gay bashing/violence against gays is all too common.

No, it isn’t. There were only 1500 incidences of violence last year against gays in the US of a population of 300 million.

1500…that were reported. And you say those were the acts of violence.
1500 acts of violence fails to account for the day-to-day harassment and belittlement that homosexuals encounter because of their sexual orientation.[/quote]

Hell, read these forums and see how often the term “fag” is used.