Gay Marriage Down in Flames!

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[quote]forlife wrote:
rainjack wrote:
What you don’t get is that if there were REAL proof - we would not be having this discussion, and genetically gay babies would be filling the trash cans of abortion clinics all across the country.

You asked for genetic markers, and I showed you that just three years ago those markers were identified in the human genome project. Yet you still insist this isn’t definitive proof. Even your buddy PRCalDude admits that genetics play a role in sexual orientation, just as they play a role in just about every other human characteristic.[/quote]

Unique markers. Not markers that suggest there might be a chance that someone could possibly be gay. You don’t have the proof, or we would not be having this conversation.

It is really no simpler than that. Either you have it, or you don’t. You don’t. Until you do, there is nothing more to say about this.

I don’t really care what PRCalDude thinks about this particular grain of sand you have stuck in your vagina.

[quote]By the way, you never addressed my question. Even if you were right that homosexuality is all about lifestyle choice, what the fuck does it matter? Religion is a lifestyle choice, yet it is illegal to discriminate against people on the basis of their religion.
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Change the law to remove religious discrimination, then. I didn’t make the fucking thing. Your whine is growing more and more irritating.

But all you need to do is read through a few threads to see that religious discrimination is alive and well - regardless of legal protection.

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
rainjack wrote:My position is quite clear. It is one sentence long, and I have said it several times. If you can’t understand my position - you never will.

I understand that there’s nothing anyone could say or show you that would change your opinion, since it’s based on emotion and not any sort of rational deliberation.

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Since when is wanting a burden of proof to be fulfilled considered emotional?

Show me where I have been emotional. Oh, right - I might have said fuck, or damn, or something.

Have you not a shred of intellectual honesty?

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[quote]forlife wrote:

Oh, you mean the one where we finally started getting down to the fundamentals of your premise and you were unable to respond with a logical counterargument? It’s easy to do a song and dance with generalities, but on the details you failed and fled.[/quote]

You claimed no one made or could make an argument that wasn’t based in religion. Flatly false.

Moreover, enough. You and I know that isn’t what happened in that thread, and everyone else who read it knows that isn’t what happened in that thread.

Given the paucity of your arguments, you shouldn’t be surprised that nothing you say will make a difference. You always begin with a conclusion and you aren’t prepared for arguments outside of a “Biblical literalist” angle.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

I never said they were. I said that by his logic, black and women shouldn’t have been given the right to vote. You could deny rights to any minority group with that excuse.[/quote]

You could, but you’d be wrong. But you make the same mistake over and over - you assume that every “minority group” as you conceive of it is entitled to the same logical “equal right” as race or gender.

Incorrect. For purposes of marriage, straight relationships and gay relationships are demonstratively unequal, given what marriage is about as a public policy.

Gay marriage is not an equal right - it isn’t one under the Constitution, and our Republic has never had it. Gay marriage advocates would do well to humble their arguments and make the case that gays need a “new institution” rather than constantly insist that they are being denied an existing one - otherwise, they will continue to be humiliated at the polls.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Have you considered that the anxiety and depression experienced by many in the gay community is the result of the discrimination and negative attitudes that gays face?
I have.

The reason I reject that idea is the myriad of homosexuals I see revered in popular culture and on the television. I see no evidence that gay psychological illness has abated as gays have taken to television and cable primetime. Yesterday’s Kristallnacht is a rather recent example.

I would think a plausible, (and perhaps more likely), explanation would be their level of promiscuity creating anxiety and depression over the Russian roulette they play with HIV.

I love armchair scientists. You skim a topic and presume your uninformed opinion is more valid than the collective consensus of the entire scientific community.

I love how you keep bringing up the “collective consensus of the entire scientific community,” as if it never changes or is never wrong. The implication, of course, is that individuals like myself are too stupid to understand the data.

The reality is, we see the homo-narcissistic religious bias dripping from so many of these papers in their conclusion sections. One position paper from the pediatric association I saw laughably extrapolated data collected from lesbian couples to gay couples regarding child rearing.

Lesbians aren’t dropping like flies from HIV, as far as I know, nor do they possess the male libido hyped-up on the narcissistic disorders of the gay man that are the root of much of their promiscuity.

Did you know that gays who try to change their sexual orientation have double the risk of anxiety, depression, drug/alchol abuse, and suicidal thoughts?

Yes, you keep repeating that. It’s a non-sequitur.

Your argument is that because Will and Grace was a popular tv show, gays don’t experience prejudice and discrimination in the real world? I expect more from you.

On this thread alone, they have been compared to people who have sex with animals, accused of ‘wanting to make the children gay,’ and in oppposition to everything normal and healthy about the human species.

Not my argument at all. My argument is that a more likely explanation for the frequency of mental illness in the homosexual population is the Russian roulette they play with their bodies.

A person may feel bad for being discriminated against (when they’re not being celebrated), but they will feel decidedly worse when they’re wondering whether or not they’ve contracted HIV from their recent exploits. The rest of the stuff you mentioned never came from my keyboard.

BTW, a discussion of the delisting of homosexuality from the DSM-II in 1973 can be found here:
http://www.psychiatryonline.com/DSMPDF/DSM-II_Homosexuality_Revision.pdf

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Forlife was not talking about irresponsible sexual behavior. Irresponsible and stupid sexual behavior may well be innate. It’s not something I understand with either straight people or gays. And I think it’s hard to shrug off the prevalence with homosexuals as externally-driven.

But anxiety and depression are different things altogether. Maybe also an innate component. But there is undeniably a large externally driven component too as a product of how gays are viewed and treated in this country. You implied that their should be a marked drop because gays are no longer experiencing prejudice and discrimination. Which is not true at all. As a basis, you referred to increased featuring in popular culture and television.

Doesn’t mean much in the real world. Even in places like California, there is a huge backlash and discrimination and hatred every day. In places like Alabama and Georgia, it’s not much different than it ever was. I lived in Georgia for four years. Some of the guys in my own fraternity were pretty anti-gay and made no secret to hide it and were pretty awful in their treatment of gays. And we were the good ones. Others were much worse. Gay hatred was practically a prerequisite for Kappa Alpha. Incidentally, they also got kicked off campus for pointing a canon at the black frat on April 9, the day General Lee surrendered. Discrimination is alive and well in this world. This is not changed by television shows like Will and Grace or the fact that we have a black president-elect.

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Beware of false prophets, who come to you dressed up as sheep while underneath they are savage wolves. You will recognize them by their fruit.

Hell of a lot of rotten fruit on this thread.

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Hold on. Weren’t gay marriages always “flaming”?

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Oh and I haven’t read any of this thread, so I’m crossing my fingers that that joke hasn’t already been made a half a dozen times.

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Besides, good old-fashioned hetero marriage has been down in flames for a while anyway.

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I heard that creatine made you gay.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Before the homosexuals grabbed hold of the controllig body of the APA homosexuality was considered a mental disease. When you think about it why wouldn’t it be a mental disease? Is there anything normal about wanting to stick your dick up another guys asshole?

I think not.[/quote]

Sure, it’s totally normal if you’re gay. Truthfully, unless you’re a porn star, most of us engaged in a sex act look like we’re in way over our heads. Do you have any idea how silly you look when you jack off? I know you try to make it look classy Mick, but they call it flogging the dummy in your case for a reason.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Lesbians aren’t dropping like flies from HIV, as far as I know, nor do they possess the male libido hyped-up on the narcissistic disorders of the gay man that are the root of much of their promiscuity.

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Ah, right, this argument: homosexual men are immoral and dangerous because they have too much sex. When, in all reality, the fact is that any straight male would have similar numbers of sexual partners if every female they had been interested in having sex with had reciprocated.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Lesbians aren’t dropping like flies from HIV, as far as I know, nor do they possess the male libido hyped-up on the narcissistic disorders of the gay man that are the root of much of their promiscuity.

Ah, right, this argument: homosexual men are immoral and dangerous because they have too much sex. When, in all reality, the fact is that any straight male would have similar numbers of sexual partners if every female they had been interested in having sex with had reciprocated. [/quote]

Maybe so. But hopefully with condoms.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
forlife wrote:

I never said they were. I said that by his logic, black and women shouldn’t have been given the right to vote. You could deny rights to any minority group with that excuse.

You could, but you’d be wrong. But you make the same mistake over and over - you assume that every “minority group” as you conceive of it is entitled to the same logical “equal right” as race or gender.

Incorrect. For purposes of marriage, straight relationships and gay relationships are demonstratively unequal, given what marriage is about as a public policy.

Gay marriage is not an equal right - it isn’t one under the Constitution, and our Republic has never had it. Gay marriage advocates would do well to humble their arguments and make the case that gays need a “new institution” rather than constantly insist that they are being denied an existing one - otherwise, they will continue to be humiliated at the polls.
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The reality is that they don’t care about the polls, otherwise we wouldn’t be seeing protest marches all around the state along with their various bullying of different organizations and people who supported Prop 8. They are already queuing up for another court battle in an effort to get liberal judges to overturn what the people have decided to uphold: the definition of marriage.

I can think of few things more stupid than what the gays are doing now: protesting the result of a ballot measure that they don’t like. The fact is, the gay movement is a majority-white movement, and the blacks and hispanics were overwhelmingly against it. The fewer whites in this state, the fewer people to support gay marriage. What the gays are essentially doing right now with their imminent court challenges is telling the blacks and hispanics that voted that their votes are to be invalidated by a judge legislating from the bench. This is probably not the best thing for hetero-homo relations in this state.

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Discrimination may have something to do with it, but there’s no data to support widespread homosexual abuse. There were 1500 anti-gay crimes last year out of a US population of over 300 million. I think the majority of “discrimination” they claim to experience stems from the projection of their anxieties and depressions over risky their behavior onto others. Straights make a great scapegoat.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Lesbians aren’t dropping like flies from HIV, as far as I know, nor do they possess the male libido hyped-up on the narcissistic disorders of the gay man that are the root of much of their promiscuity.

Ah, right, this argument: homosexual men are immoral and dangerous because they have too much sex. When, in all reality, the fact is that any straight male would have similar numbers of sexual partners if every female they had been interested in having sex with had reciprocated.

Maybe so. But hopefully with condoms.[/quote]

The correct response is to advocate that male homosexuals be aware of the increased risk of STIs with their sexual behavior, encouraged to use safe sex practices, and get tested regularly.

Or, if you’re a bigot, claim that the increased instance of STIs is gods way of punishing them for sinning, suggest that they change their sexual orientation to suit you, accuse them of having an agenda to destroy your society, and blame every attack or discrimination on them because “they make the choice to be gay!”

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Even in places like California, there is a huge backlash and discrimination and hatred every day.

Discrimination may have something to do with it, but there’s no data to support widespread homosexual abuse. There were 1500 anti-gay crimes last year out of a US population of over 300 million. I think the majority of “discrimination” they claim to experience stems from the projection of their anxieties and depressions over risky their behavior onto others. Straights make a great scapegoat.

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Go down south and walk around holding hands with a guy. I’m sure you’ll be treated just the same as you would otherwise, and you’ll have first hand proof that all of the “discrimination” gays face is just them bein mean to you poor nice straight folk.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Lesbians aren’t dropping like flies from HIV, as far as I know, nor do they possess the male libido hyped-up on the narcissistic disorders of the gay man that are the root of much of their promiscuity.

Ah, right, this argument: homosexual men are immoral and dangerous because they have too much sex. When, in all reality, the fact is that any straight male would have similar numbers of sexual partners if every female they had been interested in having sex with had reciprocated.

Maybe so. But hopefully with condoms.

The correct response is to advocate that male homosexuals be aware of the increased risk of STIs with their sexual behavior, encouraged to use safe sex practices, and get tested regularly.

Or, if you’re a bigot, claim that the increased instance of STIs is gods way of punishing them for sinning, suggest that they change their sexual orientation to suit you, accuse them of having an agenda to destroy your society, and blame every attack or discrimination on them because “they make the choice to be gay!”

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Hey, I’m for gay rights. But I still don’t understand the high percentage of people having unsafe sex in the gay community in this day and age. It makes no sense. Of course I encourage safe practices. I don’t even understand while this needs encouragement and isn’t treated as matter of course as brushing your teeth.