[quote]forlife wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
This thread has made me see how pathetic the case for homosexual marriage is. We’ll achieve a significant reduction in already-curable STDs, and that’s about all the benefit our society will reap from this institution.
Figures that you would cherry pick only one issue discussed for the benefits of gay marriage, ignoring the more significant reasons. Here’s something for you to chew on:
The Effects of Marriage, Civil Union, and Domestic Partnership Laws on the Health and Well-being of Children
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/1/349
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Civil marriage is a legal status that promotes healthy families by conferring a powerful set of rights, benefits, and protections that cannot be obtained by other means. Civil marriage can help foster financial and legal security, psychosocial stability, and an augmented sense of societal acceptance and support. Legal recognition of a spouse can increase the ability of adult couples to provide and care for one another and fosters a nurturing and secure environment for their children. Children who are raised by civilly married parents benefit from the legal status granted to their parents.
Gay and lesbian people have been raising children for many years and will continue to do so in the future; the issue is whether these children will be raised by parents who have the rights, benefits, and protections of civil marriage. Same-gender couples are denied the right to civil marriage in every state except Massachusetts and the right to civil union except in Connecticut and Vermont. The federal government and other state governments do not recognize those civil marriages and civil unions.
There is ample evidence to show that children raised by same-gender parents fare as well as those raised by heterosexual parents. More than 25 years of research have documented that there is no relationship between parents’ sexual orientation and any measure of a child’s emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment. These data have demonstrated no risk to children as a result of growing up in a family with 1 or more gay parents. Conscientious and nurturing adults, whether they are men or women, heterosexual or homosexual, can be excellent parents. The rights, benefits, and protections of civil marriage can further strengthen these families. [/b]
I think, with the advent of birth control, the genes that contribute to maternal fecundity and also homosexuality will be selected out of the population.
Don’t forget about surrogacy, which I’m guessing will become increasingly popular. Also don’t forget about increased social acceptance, which will have the secondary effect of encouraging people to come out of the closet in the first place.
Meanwhile, whatever hormonal effects that are caused by having multiple male children that contribute to homosexuality will be discovered and treated.
Homosexuality isn’t a disease, and it doesn’t need to be “treated”, as concluded by every major mental health and medical organization. Or are these scientific organizations all so “biased” that you feel justified in ignoring their conclusions?
I think the best course for our government to pursue is counseling homosexuals to avoid promiscuity.
Like abstinence counseling has done any good in the straight world? How about offering gay marriage instead, which provides long term stability and reduces the likelihood of promiscuity?
That homosexuality has a psychological component could not be more evident by their promiscuity, self-harm, and suicidality statistics.
Ever consider the possibility that you’re reversing cause and effect? How would you feel if you grew up in a society/culture that condemns and excoriates your sexual orientation, something which you didn’t choose and can’t change even if you wanted to do so?
It isn’t a surprise that gays who go through reparative therapy have double the risk of suicidal thoughts, anxiety, depression, and alcohol/drug abuse. If you want to improve these statistics, stop trying to turn homosexuals into heterosexuals.
In short, I find homosexuals drama-queenish, prissy, effeminate, proselytizing, neurotic, and unpleasant to be around.
I have prissy gay friends, but I also have masculine gay friends. Far more of the latter than the former, in fact. Stereotypes tend to fall apart once you actually get to know people.
Regardless, disliking “prissy” people isn’t justification for denying them access to the same civil responsibilites/privileges that are given to “non-prissy” people.[/quote]
The more I interact with you, the more I conclude that no dialogue is possible with idealogues like yourself. You keep throwing around propaganda phrases like, “All major medical organizations…”, “25 years of research…”, “Societal bigotry…” Upon examination of the actual data, we find that little has been done to study what psychological and hormonal causes of homosexuality are and what effect homosexual parenting will have on children. All you’re really able to do is link various position statements by various medical organizations, and these so far have provided no references for their claims. That medical organizations are political organizations is obvious. Ask any doctor.
Furthermore, the data that got homosexuality de-listed from the DSM-III was that homosexuals were no more prone to psychological problems than heterosexual males. I provided recent data that this is untrue. It is an illness. It could not be more obvious. Homosexuals who want to be cured should be afforded that right, and I’m sure there are many. Who would want to voluntarily participate in a lifestyle that makes HIV infection likely? Only the mentally ill.
