Gay Adoption?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:

[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:

[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:

This is the crux of the problem isn’t it. Many don’t believe it’s the case in a homo family.

For most, I think it’s just a reaction to homo agitation, having it thrust into the gradeschools etc. For many it’s a moral judgement, certainly not a phobia. You may feel different; shall I describe you as morally degraded?
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Morally degraded? What do you mean.[/quote]

Man, I can only try my best to explain:

You called those against homosexuality homophobiac, namecalling is what it is. I explained such people have their reasons. Some see it as a moral issue. You have no moral feeling about and think it’s ok. Can I label you as morally degraded? That is, call you a name because you don’t agree with my position.
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It is my opinion that thinking an entire group of people should not have the same rights as you if far more morally degraded than labeling your opinions. If you come out and say I don’t think black people should be allowed to vote. I would call you a racist. No matter what type of moral issue you had with it.

Your counter argument should be: They should not have the right because they choose to be in a relationship where having a child is impossibe biologically and not morraly.

And mine would be: My wife and I have been trying for 8 years to have a baby, so it is not possible for us biologically either. Should we not have the right to adoption because our “parts don’t work right”?

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Moving away from the “which parental unit will maximize psychological dysfunction” argument for just a moment, I have a question for those tacitly approving of the situation described in the article. (And if you do not approve, feel free to let it be known, seems like only one side feels this way so far, though.)

Call me a bigot, I will wear the label with pride, I think that in THIS situation, there is some HIGHLY questionable guidance and parenting issues occurring, bordering on criminal. You guys know me well enough to know I do my best to understand people I do not agree with, but for me, this is just fucked up.

FUCKED. UP.

I don’t even think I need to go into why, and it annoys me that the focus of the thread is so agenda-driven, actually, (sorry, Sterneneisen), because the situation itself seems about as much a case for CPS to be involved in this as any of the FAR more bogus claims I’ve seen kids removed from their biological parents for. I feel a white hot rage whenever I am reminded of this article.

No, the two lesbian mothers to this poor boy do not have any influence here, certainly not. The social stigma of having two lesbian mothers (right or wrong) does not have any influence here, certainly not. The island of Berkeley, CA, that he lives upon and the dominant culture and influences there do not have any influence here, certainly not (notably, even these women’s almost certainly VERY liberal friends appear to recognize something is very wrong here).

You want confirmation bias in indoctrinated thinking? Here it is on full, ugly display.

This is child abuse, any way you look at it. This poor kid is being used by his enabling, ideologically motivated “parents,” and the incorrigible doctors, nurses, neighbors, friends, relatives, teachers and the so-called “religious” community who stand idly by and allow it to happen and even support(!?!?!) it.

WTF did people ever do before the 20th century when they were the “victim” of one of our 10,000 different “dysphorias?”

Bah! spit

Disgusting.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Moving away from the “which parental unit will maximize psychological dysfunction” argument for just a moment, I have a question for those tacitly approving of the situation described in the article. (And if you do not approve, feel free to let it be known, seems like only one side feels this way so far, though.)

Call me a bigot, I will wear the label with pride, I think that in THIS situation, there is some HIGHLY questionable guidance and parenting issues occurring, bordering on criminal. You guys know me well enough to know I do my best to understand people I do not agree with, but for me, this is just fucked up.

FUCKED. UP.

I don’t even think I need to go into why, and it annoys me that the focus of the thread is so agenda-driven, actually, (sorry, Sterneneisen), because the situation itself seems about as much a case for CPS to be involved in this as any of the FAR more bogus claims I’ve seen kids removed from their biological parents for. I feel a white hot rage whenever I am reminded of this article.

No, the two lesbian mothers to this poor boy do not have any influence here, certainly not. The social stigma of having two lesbian mothers (right or wrong) does not have any influence here, certainly not. The island of Berkeley, CA, that he lives upon and the dominant culture and influences there do not have any influence here, certainly not (notably, even these women’s almost certainly VERY liberal friends appear to recognize something is very wrong here).

You want confirmation bias in indoctrinated thinking? Here it is on full, ugly display.

This is child abuse, any way you look at it. This poor kid is being used by his enabling, ideologically motivated “parents,” and the incorrigible doctors, nurses, neighbors, friends, relatives, teachers and the so-called “religious” community who stand idly by and allow it to happen and even support(!?!?!) it.

WTF did people ever do before the 20th century when they were the “victim” of one of our 10,000 different “dysphorias?”

Bah! spit

Disgusting. [/quote]

What is your suggested cure for gender disorientation, or if not a cure how do you believe it should be handled by the child’s parents?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

-A divorced father who discover he is gay [/quote]

LOL…this just gets better and better…

Well GOLLY…look what I just discovered!

“But you were born that way”

I was?[/quote]

I have a friend who didn’t find out he way gay until his early 30s. He always considered men attractive, but thought it was more like appreciating art than a sexual thing. Meanwhile, he had trouble getting arroused while having sex with women. After having sex with a couple of men, he figured out this arrousal issue was connected to the sex of his partner. He had no problem with men and found himself much hornier than he’d previously been.

I have another friend who was always told he was gay because he got naked at parties, would always wear a thong, and studies flowers for a living. So he tried making out with a gay dude one time. He even told his wife he was going to do it and received her permission. He shortly figured out that his bodily reaction was decidedly not gay. I also know of a guy who went down on another guy in a mmf and then decided he was not as gay as he’d thought. He never played around with a guy again.

Lastly, I have a female friend who waited until she was in her twenties to tell her parents she was gay because she’d never had sex with a guy and therefore wasn’t sure whether she’d really like it or not (meanwhile, she’d had sex with quite a few women).

My point is, you have to have sex to really know for sure what you like while having sex. Many people think they are going to like one thing, try it, and discover it doesn’t do anything for them or vice versa. This happens with many other variables in sex unrelated to the sex of the partner (kinks). Why does it surprise you that it happens regarding the sex of the partner as well?
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Please bear with me I’m trying to understand all this. So what you’re saying is that a man can have hundreds of successful sexual encounters (to orgasm) with women but after say 10 or 15 years decide that they prefer other men?

Do I have that right?
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Does jacking off make you an asexual? You’ve gotten off hundreds of times with just your hand. Does that mean your sexual orientation is towards yourself?

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[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

-A divorced father who discover he is gay [/quote]

LOL…this just gets better and better…

Well GOLLY…look what I just discovered!

“But you were born that way”

I was?[/quote]

I have a friend who didn’t find out he way gay until his early 30s. He always considered men attractive, but thought it was more like appreciating art than a sexual thing. Meanwhile, he had trouble getting arroused while having sex with women. After having sex with a couple of men, he figured out this arrousal issue was connected to the sex of his partner. He had no problem with men and found himself much hornier than he’d previously been.

I have another friend who was always told he was gay because he got naked at parties, would always wear a thong, and studies flowers for a living. So he tried making out with a gay dude one time. He even told his wife he was going to do it and received her permission. He shortly figured out that his bodily reaction was decidedly not gay. I also know of a guy who went down on another guy in a mmf and then decided he was not as gay as he’d thought. He never played around with a guy again.

Lastly, I have a female friend who waited until she was in her twenties to tell her parents she was gay because she’d never had sex with a guy and therefore wasn’t sure whether she’d really like it or not (meanwhile, she’d had sex with quite a few women).

My point is, you have to have sex to really know for sure what you like while having sex. Many people think they are going to like one thing, try it, and discover it doesn’t do anything for them or vice versa. This happens with many other variables in sex unrelated to the sex of the partner (kinks). Why does it surprise you that it happens regarding the sex of the partner as well?
[/quote]

Please bear with me I’m trying to understand all this. So what you’re saying is that a man can have hundreds of successful sexual encounters (to orgasm) with women but after say 10 or 15 years decide that they prefer other men?

Do I have that right?
[/quote]

Does jacking off make you an asexual? You’ve gotten off hundreds of times with just your hand. Does that mean your sexual orientation is towards yourself?[/quote]

What does that have to do with my question? If you can’t answer the question no problem it’s a tough one to answer I understand.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

What is your suggested cure for gender disorientation, or if not a cure how do you believe it should be handled by the child’s parents?
[/quote]

Upon rereading, I realize I did not ask the question I intended to, which is: Do you agree with the actions of this boy’s parents?

Answer me that and I will be happy to honestly answer your question in turn.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

What is your suggested cure for gender disorientation, or if not a cure how do you believe it should be handled by the child’s parents?
[/quote]

Upon rereading, I realize I did not ask the question I intended to, which is: Do you agree with the actions of this boy’s parents?

Answer me that and I will be happy to honestly answer your question in turn.
[/quote]

I honestly don’t know enough about gender disorientation to judge whether the parents behaved appropriately. If it is something that can be effectively reconciled through therapy, then I think that would be worth the attempt, before telling the child to just embrace their natural disposition. From what little I do know though, it seems like gender orientation is similar to sexual orientation, and isn’t something that can be changed. If that is true, the child could actually be harmed by therapy, and would be healthier and happier by living according to their own self-identification.

Bottom line is that I would consult with a competent therapist, do my own research, and do what is in the best interest of my child.

How about you?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

-A divorced father who discover he is gay [/quote]

LOL…this just gets better and better…

Well GOLLY…look what I just discovered!

“But you were born that way”

I was?[/quote]

I have a friend who didn’t find out he way gay until his early 30s. He always considered men attractive, but thought it was more like appreciating art than a sexual thing. Meanwhile, he had trouble getting arroused while having sex with women. After having sex with a couple of men, he figured out this arrousal issue was connected to the sex of his partner. He had no problem with men and found himself much hornier than he’d previously been.

I have another friend who was always told he was gay because he got naked at parties, would always wear a thong, and studies flowers for a living. So he tried making out with a gay dude one time. He even told his wife he was going to do it and received her permission. He shortly figured out that his bodily reaction was decidedly not gay. I also know of a guy who went down on another guy in a mmf and then decided he was not as gay as he’d thought. He never played around with a guy again.

Lastly, I have a female friend who waited until she was in her twenties to tell her parents she was gay because she’d never had sex with a guy and therefore wasn’t sure whether she’d really like it or not (meanwhile, she’d had sex with quite a few women).

My point is, you have to have sex to really know for sure what you like while having sex. Many people think they are going to like one thing, try it, and discover it doesn’t do anything for them or vice versa. This happens with many other variables in sex unrelated to the sex of the partner (kinks). Why does it surprise you that it happens regarding the sex of the partner as well?
[/quote]

Please bear with me I’m trying to understand all this. So what you’re saying is that a man can have hundreds of successful sexual encounters (to orgasm) with women but after say 10 or 15 years decide that they prefer other men?

Do I have that right?
[/quote]

Does jacking off make you an asexual? You’ve gotten off hundreds of times with just your hand. Does that mean your sexual orientation is towards yourself?[/quote]

What does that have to do with my question? If you can’t answer the question no problem it’s a tough one to answer I understand.[/quote]

It seems like a tough one to you because you really don’t understand how sexuality works. That much is clear from the way you’re asking the question. I am answering your question. My question about jacking off was an analogy directly related to your idea that a person being capable of reaching orgasm to something makes that something their sexual preference. I am (apparently too subtly) pointing out that there is something you reach orgasm to probably every day that is not your sexual preference. The point behind that is simply that sexual organs are capable of orgasm to many things, but reaching orgasm using those things is not the definition of sexual preference. A man could go down on you and you could reach orgasm because of it, but that would not mean that men were your sexual preference. It would just mean that your penis has nerve endings and is capable of orgasm when the right pressure is applied.

So to summarize, yes it is possible to have one kind of sex to orgasm for years and not prefer it. You most likely do it to yourself regularly.

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Well as much as I have enjoyed reading some of your “interesting” perspectives on this story, I feel the need to burst a bubble.

Being a lesbian is not the same as being a (born) male who wants to be a female.

Therefore I don’t see why so many of you seem to think that this kid wanting to be a woman is related to having 2 female parents. If the sex of your parents determines what sex you wanted to be then statistically 50% of all children would want a sex change (blatant use of made up statistics to demonstrate a point). Or maybe 100% would like to be hermaphrodites.

Also I think it is fair to assume that the kid probably would like to be a straight female, I would be amazed if an 8 year old boy wanted to grow up to be a lesbian. When I was 8 I don’t think I even knew wtf a lesbian was (wonder if this kid knows what mommy and mommy do together?).

Thank you and good night.

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[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

-A divorced father who discover he is gay [/quote]

LOL…this just gets better and better…

Well GOLLY…look what I just discovered!

“But you were born that way”

I was?[/quote]

I have a friend who didn’t find out he way gay until his early 30s. He always considered men attractive, but thought it was more like appreciating art than a sexual thing. Meanwhile, he had trouble getting arroused while having sex with women. After having sex with a couple of men, he figured out this arrousal issue was connected to the sex of his partner. He had no problem with men and found himself much hornier than he’d previously been.

I have another friend who was always told he was gay because he got naked at parties, would always wear a thong, and studies flowers for a living. So he tried making out with a gay dude one time. He even told his wife he was going to do it and received her permission. He shortly figured out that his bodily reaction was decidedly not gay. I also know of a guy who went down on another guy in a mmf and then decided he was not as gay as he’d thought. He never played around with a guy again.

Lastly, I have a female friend who waited until she was in her twenties to tell her parents she was gay because she’d never had sex with a guy and therefore wasn’t sure whether she’d really like it or not (meanwhile, she’d had sex with quite a few women).

My point is, you have to have sex to really know for sure what you like while having sex. Many people think they are going to like one thing, try it, and discover it doesn’t do anything for them or vice versa. This happens with many other variables in sex unrelated to the sex of the partner (kinks). Why does it surprise you that it happens regarding the sex of the partner as well?
[/quote]

Please bear with me I’m trying to understand all this. So what you’re saying is that a man can have hundreds of successful sexual encounters (to orgasm) with women but after say 10 or 15 years decide that they prefer other men?

Do I have that right?
[/quote]

Does jacking off make you an asexual? You’ve gotten off hundreds of times with just your hand. Does that mean your sexual orientation is towards yourself?[/quote]

What does that have to do with my question? If you can’t answer the question no problem it’s a tough one to answer I understand.[/quote]

It seems like a tough one to you because you really don’t understand how sexuality works. That much is clear from the way you’re asking the question. I am answering your question. My question about jacking off was an analogy directly related to your idea that a person being capable of reaching orgasm to something makes that something their sexual preference. I am (apparently too subtly) pointing out that there is something you reach orgasm to probably every day that is not your sexual preference. The point behind that is simply that sexual organs are capable of orgasm to many things, but reaching orgasm using those things is not the definition of sexual preference. A man could go down on you and you could reach orgasm because of it, but that would not mean that men were your sexual preference. It would just mean that your penis has nerve endings and is capable of orgasm when the right pressure is applied.

So to summarize, yes it is possible to have one kind of sex to orgasm for years and not prefer it. You most likely do it to yourself regularly.[/quote]

Hey I’m sorry but masturbation doesn’t really mean squat.

Fact: The powerful gay lobby and their minon make the claim that homosexuals are born that way. Now if that’s the case there is no way that a truly gay man can achieve an erection and have sex with a woman for 10 or 15 years. And then out of the blue claim that they are gay.

How many completely straight heterosexual men have sex with other men? Right-- NONE! They are not aroused by a naked male body. Therefore, they cannot achieve an erection and have sex.

You lap up that politically correct crap all you want. I’m not buying it. I’m calling bullshit on the entire “born that way” claim. And by the way it has never been proven that they are born that way. It’s just a pc belief.

I’ve read study after study which claims that a large percentage of gay men have had and continue to have sex with women. Go ahead and tell me how that’s possible.

What’s happening is that they PREFER men but are so promiscuous that with most of them either sex will satisfy.

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@Cortes:
No problem… I did say I consider this is sick, regardless of the parents’ sexual orientation.

Children have all kind of thoughts at 8 years… encouraging something like this is, indeed, retarded.

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Okay… did anyone ever discuss on this forum the many cases of EX-gay people?
I mean, many actually give witness to the fact that sexual orientation can change… oh, and they are threatened by gay activists.

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ITT ZEB continues to use the black and white sexuality fallacy.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:

What is your suggested cure for gender disorientation, or if not a cure how do you believe it should be handled by the child’s parents?
[/quote]

Upon rereading, I realize I did not ask the question I intended to, which is: Do you agree with the actions of this boy’s parents?

Answer me that and I will be happy to honestly answer your question in turn.
[/quote]

I honestly don’t know enough about gender disorientation to judge whether the parents behaved appropriately. If it is something that can be effectively reconciled through therapy, then I think that would be worth the attempt, before telling the child to just embrace their natural disposition. From what little I do know though, it seems like gender orientation is similar to sexual orientation, and isn’t something that can be changed. If that is true, the child could actually be harmed by therapy, and would be healthier and happier by living according to their own self-identification.

Bottom line is that I would consult with a competent therapist, do my own research, and do what is in the best interest of my child.

How about you?[/quote]

You’d feel comfortable allowing your child to live his or her life as if he or she were the opposite gender? You’d be okay with the near 100% certainty of the harassment that would follow at school and elsewhere when it was revealed (for simplicity’s sake) your son was dressing like a girl and pretending to be one? You be okay with allowing your 11 year old son to disturb the natural process of puberty by engaging in hormone blocking therapy and possibly even giving him female hormones and financing and supporting irreversibly changing him from a male to female?

Even assuming all of this is true, what is you were wrong? I mean, honestly, what if?

You (pretty much) answered my question, so I’ll answer yours:

I think that much of this newfound culture of “gender dysphoria” or whatever name they are now giving it is, like most “diagnosed” cases of ADHD and ADHD, an invented malady, the “symptoms” of which are actually evidence of a different problem altogether.

I may, in the future, be proven completely wrong, but right now, I see VERY little hard evidence for the reality of this condition as anything other than one of the thousand new extraordinary popular delusions and madnesses of crowds. Until someone shows me some clear, convincing evidence to the contrary, I will consider it so.

You want to do that to yourself after you have reached an age at which you can honestly make that decision for yourself, knock your lights out. But “helping” an 11 year old child to achieve this is child abuse. Should be criminal child abuse, in my opinion.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
ITT ZEB continues to use the black and white sexuality fallacy.[/quote]

It’s not a fallacy. If you are born black then you’re black. If you’re born gay then you’re gay. Or, maybe no one is born gay huh? What the pc liberals (like you) want is to have it both ways. Or should I say any way you want it. It’s the pc flavor of the day.

And…

It’s all pure bullshit!

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[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
@Cortes:
No problem… I did say I consider this is sick, regardless of the parents’ sexual orientation.

Children have all kind of thoughts at 8 years… encouraging something like this is, indeed, retarded.[/quote]

I can give an example from personal experience.

We have a student whose mother, for reason I cannot ascertain, used to do everything she could to encourage him to dress like and enjoy the things little girls like. He was four to five at the time, and his mother would specifically tie his hair up in the front like (only) girls do here, and buy and dress him in certain (not all) items of girl’s clothing (like pink, socks with girl-oriented characters on them, think Strawberry Shortcake…hahah, I bet I sound so dated with that). He used to make a big deal about how he liked pink, and how his favorite shows were girls shows, and to listen to him, if you could not see him, you’d almost guess he was a she.

On top of this, his mother is rather weird, for lack of a better term, and his father apparently does not exist. There were clear behavioral differences between him and other children his age, boy or girl.

Now, if either of these women had gotten ahold of him, in a few more years he’d be in the same exact boat as the kid in the article.

However, for what reason I do not know, about a year or so ago this boy’s mother stopped the odd, gender confusing encouragement. No more girl hairstyles, clothes, or characters. Unsurprisingly (to me), at the same exact time, the behavioral issues, the obsession with the color pink (which he used to talk about incessantly), and all of the other weirdness pretty much vanished. Now he seems just like any other boy his age, gets along with boys, is well-adjusted and, well, normal.

One anecdotal story, perhaps, but I think it is highly revealing of stories such as these.

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[quote]forlife wrote:

[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:

[quote]forlife wrote:
I have posted research on same sex parenting in the past, but it never makes a difference to people who are predisposed against it. Apparently, 40 years of research isn’t long term enough to know the real effects of a child being raised by gays.[/quote]

Well, you decided to get involved in this thread, and I guess you’ve already typed a few hundred words. Go ahead post it again; it’s only a few clicks of work.

But remember, we have to be able to look at the complete study, otherwise how can we evaluate it? You must have read the complete study yourself, otherwise how could you make an intelligent unbiased decision?

[/quote]

If I thought it would make any difference to your opinion, I would make the effort. However, I don’t, so I won’t. Six years of experience on this board says otherwise.

You’re entitled to your opinion, and I have no desire to change it. I just wanted to state for the record what the research shows, and anyone with the ability to search the internet can confirm that if they actually care to do so.[/quote]

You have stated nothing OF SUBSTANCE for the record, you’re just blabbing. And now you’re copping-out.

Thanks though, it was entertaining.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:

-A divorced father who discover he is gay [/quote]

LOL…this just gets better and better…

Well GOLLY…look what I just discovered!

“But you were born that way”

I was?[/quote]

I have a friend who didn’t find out he way gay until his early 30s. He always considered men attractive, but thought it was more like appreciating art than a sexual thing. Meanwhile, he had trouble getting arroused while having sex with women. After having sex with a couple of men, he figured out this arrousal issue was connected to the sex of his partner. He had no problem with men and found himself much hornier than he’d previously been.

I have another friend who was always told he was gay because he got naked at parties, would always wear a thong, and studies flowers for a living. So he tried making out with a gay dude one time. He even told his wife he was going to do it and received her permission. He shortly figured out that his bodily reaction was decidedly not gay. I also know of a guy who went down on another guy in a mmf and then decided he was not as gay as he’d thought. He never played around with a guy again.

Lastly, I have a female friend who waited until she was in her twenties to tell her parents she was gay because she’d never had sex with a guy and therefore wasn’t sure whether she’d really like it or not (meanwhile, she’d had sex with quite a few women).

My point is, you have to have sex to really know for sure what you like while having sex. Many people think they are going to like one thing, try it, and discover it doesn’t do anything for them or vice versa. This happens with many other variables in sex unrelated to the sex of the partner (kinks). Why does it surprise you that it happens regarding the sex of the partner as well?
[/quote]

Please bear with me I’m trying to understand all this. So what you’re saying is that a man can have hundreds of successful sexual encounters (to orgasm) with women but after say 10 or 15 years decide that they prefer other men?

Do I have that right?
[/quote]

Does jacking off make you an asexual? You’ve gotten off hundreds of times with just your hand. Does that mean your sexual orientation is towards yourself?[/quote]

What does that have to do with my question? If you can’t answer the question no problem it’s a tough one to answer I understand.[/quote]

It seems like a tough one to you because you really don’t understand how sexuality works. That much is clear from the way you’re asking the question. I am answering your question. My question about jacking off was an analogy directly related to your idea that a person being capable of reaching orgasm to something makes that something their sexual preference. I am (apparently too subtly) pointing out that there is something you reach orgasm to probably every day that is not your sexual preference. The point behind that is simply that sexual organs are capable of orgasm to many things, but reaching orgasm using those things is not the definition of sexual preference. A man could go down on you and you could reach orgasm because of it, but that would not mean that men were your sexual preference. It would just mean that your penis has nerve endings and is capable of orgasm when the right pressure is applied.

So to summarize, yes it is possible to have one kind of sex to orgasm for years and not prefer it. You most likely do it to yourself regularly.[/quote]

Hey I’m sorry but masturbation doesn’t really mean squat.

Fact: The powerful gay lobby and their minon make the claim that homosexuals are born that way. Now if that’s the case there is no way that a truly gay man can achieve an erection and have sex with a woman for 10 or 15 years. And then out of the blue claim that they are gay.

How many completely straight heterosexual men have sex with other men? Right-- NONE! They are not aroused by a naked male body. Therefore, they cannot achieve an erection and have sex.

You lap up that politically correct crap all you want. I’m not buying it. I’m calling bullshit on the entire “born that way” claim. And by the way it has never been proven that they are born that way. It’s just a pc belief.

I’ve read study after study which claims that a large percentage of gay men have had and continue to have sex with women. Go ahead and tell me how that’s possible.

What’s happening is that they PREFER men but are so promiscuous that with most of them either sex will satisfy.[/quote]

I have already told you that I have a guy friend who has achieved orgasm with a man, not liked it, and never messed around with a guy again. I think you’re ignoring the blatant point that I’ve made repeatedly, which is that STRAIGHT MEN HAVE ACHIEVED ORGASM WITH OTHER MEN. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE GAY. THINK PRISON.

Jesus fucking Christ. You need to get out of your hole. Sex doesn’t work the way you think it does.

Also, show me these “studies” where a large percentage of gay men are continuing to have sex with women. I’ve lived in one of the gayest cities in the US and the fastest way to make a gay man gag is to mention pussy. There are the select few that like having a butch lesbian peg them in the ass with a strap-on, but I wouldn’t exactly call that straight sex. lol.

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[quote]
How many completely straight heterosexual men have sex with other men? Right-- NONE! They are not aroused by a naked male body. Therefore, they cannot achieve an erection and have sex.[/quote]

Under most conditions, i’m not aroused by a naked male body.
In a threesome or foursome, my body know pretty well which partner(s) he wants. And he wants the girl(s).
But in an orgy… when there is enough naked (male and female) bodies in the room… strange things happens sometimes.

but i suppose i’m not a “completely straight heterosexual” btw.
Just a “promiscuous sinner who happens to prefer women but will not immediatly vomit and lose erection when a man “accidentally” touch him in some pretty rare and specific conditions”.

I will keep calling myself an heterosexual. It’s shorter. And it will make things easier for every T-Nationers who already confessed a man crush for me.
Otherwise, they would be forced to use a “no homo” mention in their replies.

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[quote]kamui wrote:

I could never fall in love with a man, and to me that means I’m heterosexual. But while exploring my sexuality I’ve not limited myself to persons of the female persuasion, and altough I understand other men’s hesitation to include men in their sex life, to state that heterosexual men never engage in homosexual sex is bullshit.