[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
But to the OP - he’s a die-hard Libertarian. He’s a strong supporter of gay rights, pro-life (after the first trimester), wants to end the war on drugs, the war in Afghanistan, don’t bother with crazy-ass nations, get out of NATO and the UN (both pretty good ideas) and pretty much cut off all foreign aid.
CS[/quote]
Individual Liberty & Political Discipline…crazy.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
But to the OP - he’s a die-hard Libertarian. He’s a strong supporter of gay rights, pro-life (after the first trimester), wants to end the war on drugs, the war in Afghanistan, don’t bother with crazy-ass nations, get out of NATO and the UN (both pretty good ideas) and pretty much cut off all foreign aid.
CS[/quote]
He’s pro-abortion.[/quote]
There is a difference between being in favor of abortion and opposing laws that would criminalize it.
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Despite some problems with a few of his positions I will probably end up voting for the guy.[/quote]
Same boat, here. Couple things I don’t agree with, but I’d take him any day.
CS[/quote]
I also am considering it
[quote]666Rich wrote:
He still has better credentials than the current president, and the republican nominee.
Started a very successful business from scratch? Check
Governed a state, for the end of term limits? Check
Understands Economics through both of the above? Check
Balanced the budget in his state(gasp!)? Check
Actually has public speaking skills and charisma? Check
Climbed Mt Everest? Check
Basically he is everything the republican party should have gotten behind if they didnt have their heads up their collective asses. [/quote]
Except he is down with killing babies.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
But to the OP - he’s a die-hard Libertarian. He’s a strong supporter of gay rights, pro-life (after the first trimester), wants to end the war on drugs, the war in Afghanistan, don’t bother with crazy-ass nations, get out of NATO and the UN (both pretty good ideas) and pretty much cut off all foreign aid.
CS[/quote]
He’s pro-abortion.[/quote]
There is a difference between being in favor of abortion and opposing laws that would criminalize it. [/quote]
Not too much.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
But to the OP - he’s a die-hard Libertarian. He’s a strong supporter of gay rights, pro-life (after the first trimester), wants to end the war on drugs, the war in Afghanistan, don’t bother with crazy-ass nations, get out of NATO and the UN (both pretty good ideas) and pretty much cut off all foreign aid.
CS[/quote]
He’s pro-abortion.[/quote]
There is a difference between being in favor of abortion and opposing laws that would criminalize it. [/quote]
Not too much.[/quote]
I am not trying to debate abortion at all with this post.
With that said, I think this is a good example of the difference in thinking between libertarians and the rest of the country.
For example, you can be against the use of marijuana, and still think that it should be legalized. I think smoking tobacco is a horrible thing, but if I was a legislator I would never consider making it illegal.
I think a lot of people disagree with libertarian views because they think if someone wants a particular thing legalized (say marijuana) then they must be pot smoker.
I see no reason why prostitution should be illegal. That doesn’t mean I want to go buy prostitutes.
Gary Johnson is pro-choice up until the first trimester. After that, he is pro-life.
CS
You’re either pro-life or you’re not. A fetus doesn’t suddenly become a human being after the first trimester. He’s pro-choice, just not as extreme as some.
[quote]Chris87 wrote:
I am not trying to debate abortion at all with this post.
With that said, I think this is a good example of the difference in thinking between libertarians and the rest of the country.
For example, you can be against the use of marijuana, and still think that it should be legalized. I think smoking tobacco is a horrible thing, but if I was a legislator I would never consider making it illegal.
I think a lot of people disagree with libertarian views because they think if someone wants a particular thing legalized (say marijuana) then they must be pot smoker.
I see no reason why prostitution should be illegal. That doesn’t mean I want to go buy prostitutes.[/quote]
I agree with this philosophy. Thinking something should be legalized does not mean that you’re agreeing with that action.
james
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]Chris87 wrote:
I am not trying to debate abortion at all with this post.
With that said, I think this is a good example of the difference in thinking between libertarians and the rest of the country.
For example, you can be against the use of marijuana, and still think that it should be legalized. I think smoking tobacco is a horrible thing, but if I was a legislator I would never consider making it illegal.
I think a lot of people disagree with libertarian views because they think if someone wants a particular thing legalized (say marijuana) then they must be pot smoker.
I see no reason why prostitution should be illegal. That doesn’t mean I want to go buy prostitutes.[/quote]
I agree with this philosophy. Thinking something should be legalized does not mean that you’re agreeing with that action.
james[/quote]
Agreed. Now if we can just abolish those slavery laws.
Slavery isn’t exactly something a person consents to willingly like every other example, nice try.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Agreed. Now if we can just abolish those slavery laws.[/quote]
Besides being outlawed with the 13th amendment, slavery is the antithesis of libertarianism — forced servitude of a person, due to the laws of a state.
Indeed, I am not sure what is more anti-libertarian than slavery.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
Slavery isn’t exactly something a person consents to willingly like every other example, nice try.[/quote]
Neither is being aborted.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Agreed. Now if we can just abolish those slavery laws.[/quote]
Besides being outlawed with the 13th amendment, slavery is the antithesis of libertarianism — forced servitude of a person, due to the laws of a state.
Indeed, I am not sure what is more anti-libertarian than slavery.[/quote]
The refusal to recognize the very right to life.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Agreed. Now if we can just abolish those slavery laws.[/quote]
Besides being outlawed with the 13th amendment, slavery is the antithesis of libertarianism — forced servitude of a person, due to the laws of a state.
Indeed, I am not sure what is more anti-libertarian than slavery.[/quote]
The refusal to recognize the very right to life.[/quote]
I understand your point here, I do. But until the scientific community can come to a conclusion on the issue, then opinions are still going to be split over the issue.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]storey420 wrote:
Slavery isn’t exactly something a person consents to willingly like every other example, nice try.[/quote]
Neither is being aborted.
[/quote]
Fetus isn’t a cognizant person…next
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]Chris87 wrote:
I am not trying to debate abortion at all with this post.
With that said, I think this is a good example of the difference in thinking between libertarians and the rest of the country.
For example, you can be against the use of marijuana, and still think that it should be legalized. I think smoking tobacco is a horrible thing, but if I was a legislator I would never consider making it illegal.
I think a lot of people disagree with libertarian views because they think if someone wants a particular thing legalized (say marijuana) then they must be pot smoker.
I see no reason why prostitution should be illegal. That doesn’t mean I want to go buy prostitutes.[/quote]
I agree with this philosophy. Thinking something should be legalized does not mean that you’re agreeing with that action.
james[/quote]
I agree as well. Good luck getting ppl to understand that position though. I stopped trying a while ago.