no i dont give two shits. but then again i didnt create them or claim to love them. Also im not omnipotent or benevolent.
[quote]CDarklock wrote:
I thought it might be offensive to continue with the next verse, since it could have been construed as me saying that christianity is detestable to God.
It interests me that you stop just before “Whatever thing I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add to it, nor diminish from it.” I might even say I was disappointed. 
Now you see why I asked how many Laws were added, deleted or modified. The "further clarification"you mentioned before is man added being as how there are no mentions of “days” is this not “added”, if it was Gods Law would it not be there plainly, so there was no confusion?
while God singles out sacrificing one’s children to other gods, He still forbids all manner of worship offered to other gods.
God does state more about the proper worship and sacrifice as I quoted from where you left off, than Child sacrifices. It is even mentioned that plain rocks uncut by man were used to build altars. Again no mention of “holidays”. I think The Jews were to be the example and to lead the way to worshipping the one true God, to provide the change of heart direction to the nations, So other nations could be lead to worship the one true God instead of powerless idols. Naaman is an example, a man healed by God, comes back and basically says, I know it is your God that healed me, but please forgive me as I take my master to worship before Rimmon." Elisha says “Go in Peace!” What? Why? How? Because Naaman says he will never again do what he did to any other god BUT THE LORD.
Again I find that somethings Jesus taught were, why relegate it to one day or certain time of the year?
Because the cycle is important. You won’t find that in the scriptures, because ancient man knew without any prompting that cycles were powerful and important.
Hmmm, the cycle is important? While this maybe I figured it was even more so to remember the God who makes the cycle and to offer praise back to him for his blessings. If the cycle existed before the Jews and God showed the Jews how to do it “right” then the Jews should be the ones to show the world how to do it right, as with Naaman provide the change in focus and give praise where it truly belongs.
Becareful you don’t group all Christians together just as you shouldn’t group all jews together.
But you can group all Jews together, because we all use the same scriptures and have the same foundation to our beliefs.
***Really? I can group practicing and non-practicing Jews togther? And I can group you with the others in your family, who practice differently than you? And I can group Kosher and non-kosher?
I must clarify that you can group christians on the essential foundations not on all the added man made “foundations” and definitely not as “non-practicing” christians…just the same as the Jews. My comment was directed to the line of thought that “christians” as an absolute celebrate “pagan” holidays.
Peace,
T-Ren
[quote]herb311 wrote:
then again i didnt create them[/quote]
Not really relevant.
Most of that was Jesus, which some christian can attempt to explain.
As far as the microbial inhabitants of your body are concerned you are. Your power is so vast in comparison to theirs, they simply cannot comprehend it.
Did the inhabitants of Sodom think God was benevolent?
Challenge your assumptions. Infinite power and knowledge do not correspond to UNLIMITED power and knowledge – there are an infinite quantity of prime numbers, but an awful lot of numbers aren’t prime.
CD “there are an infinite quantity of prime numbers, but an awful lot of numbers aren’t prime.”
I like that!
Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins
CD,
I am interested to know, who or what do you think Jesus was? I respect you knowlegde of scripture, so I’m interested to find out what you make of him. Thank you for your time.
[quote]CDarklock wrote:
herb311 wrote:
then again i didnt create them
Not really relevant.
or claim to love them.
Most of that was Jesus, which some christian can attempt to explain.
Also im not omnipotent
As far as the microbial inhabitants of your body are concerned you are. Your power is so vast in comparison to theirs, they simply cannot comprehend it.
or benevolent.
Did the inhabitants of Sodom think God was benevolent?
Challenge your assumptions. Infinite power and knowledge do not correspond to UNLIMITED power and knowledge – there are an infinite quantity of prime numbers, but an awful lot of numbers aren’t prime.
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Well whatever, until i see some evidence of god then whatever. Sure maybe some entity created the universe but is it some being who even gives two shits about us? Probably not. And if it is, seems like the christian god is a poor hypothesis.
bamit wrote:
You seem to be very well read in religious matters.
That tends to happen when you’re the only practicing Jew left in your family, and everyone else has gone a-whoring after other gods… um, I mean, converted to christianity.
“a whoring after other gids” I love it !!! I have never heard a Jew use this against Christians. OMG it is so funny. (I am sorry but that verse always made me laugh and to hear it used against a christian is so ironic)
“Well whatever, until i see some evidence of god then whatever. Sure maybe some entity created the universe but is it some being who even gives two shits about us? Probably not. And if it is, seems like the christian god is a poor hypothesis.”
The fact that you exist should be evidence enough, if you really think about it.
Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins
[quote]CDarklock wrote:
herb311 wrote:
Alright so say some woman is about to be brutally raped and murdered, and you had a gun and could easily stop the situation.
Millions of unicellular organisms are on your body raping and murdering each other right now. Could you easily stop this situation? Should you? Do you honestly give a rat’s ass about it?
Think about that for a while.
(And before anyone gets started: the “free will” argument is bullshit.)[/quote]
Your analogy is flawed. God created man in his image. Booth man and God are personal beings. As such the relationship between them is much different than that of the one that exists between man and single cell organisms.
Are you proposing that God created man and doesn’t give a rat’s ass about him? If that is the case, why would God bother to reveal himself to man through the scriptures?
What are you reasons for writing the free will argument off?
[quote]CDarklock wrote:
Stevemax wrote:
Can you give some examples of Jesus’s lunacy?
Jesus told the Pharisees that he was allowed to pick corn on the sabbath because he was lord of the sabbath day.
This is sort of like telling a cop that you’re allowed to drive this way, because you’re king of the road.
Jesus does a lot of that. Someone comes up and questions him, so he says something nonsensical and weird. Then the questioner looks at him funny and leaves. Most christians claim this is because he was so wise and profound, but unfortunately he didn’t say wise and profound things. He said ridiculous and crazy things. [/quote]
I don’t see how this can accurately described as lunacy. The being who created the the laws pertaining to the sabbath is not necessarily bound to them. Simply because a parent orders his kids to go to bed at 9:00 doesn’t necessarily mean they must also go to bed at that same time.
[quote]CDarklock wrote:
rainjack wrote:
The law is dead, because of Christ’s death and resurection - If you don’t grasp that concept - then Jesus would indeed sound crazy to you.
God said the law was eternal. Did God lie, or did Jesus?
That’s a pretty simple choice, if you ask me.
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Mathew 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
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Jews agree on everything!
You can group all of them together and then says Christians don’t agree on anything. Ummm Has you ever heard of the Pharisees and Sadduccees in the NT times? I guess that was overlooked.
Plus in 2004 i dont think orthodox jews agree with conservative and reformed jews at all.
You may be surprised to know, but way back in the Hebrew Bible, 600 years before Jesus was born, the Jewish prophet Jeremiah said God would make a New Covenant with Israel.
“Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD. But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ?Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.” (Jeremiah chapter 31 verses 31-34)
Arguments about religion are really arguments about who has the best imaginary friend.
Well said, markinore. I wish I had a judgemental invisible superhero with magic powers floating around in space who was watching over me, and helping to guide me from making mistakes or whatever the hell god is supposed to do. Religion rules.
Also in the spirit of the imaginary friend comment, I should add that arguments over the bible(s) are arguments about who has the better comic book.
Here is a deep one.
“The angle of the dangle is inversely proportional to the heat of the meat.”
- Butt Head
Vegita ~ Prince of all Sayajins
Rock on Veg! You’re on a roll, man!!
Thus spake Beavis…
This thread sure has taken off!
How about theories on a god who created the universe, then left it alone to do, other god stuff elsewhere? I can’t remember the name of the religion…
To-Shin Do