[quote]nooberific wrote:
Too many of the same questions about the same concerns. I wouldn’t cycle if I was you either. You’re just all over the place.[/quote]
bro too many questions doesn’t necessarily mean im wasting time. If i wont ask too many questions on my most valuable asset what else should i emphasize on?
trust me yr efforts paid off im willing now to consider real amounts at least for a beg cycle
ill post results after im done to make up for the flooded thread
[quote]Twolverine wrote:
[quote]nooberific wrote:
Too many of the same questions about the same concerns. I wouldn’t cycle if I was you either. You’re just all over the place.[/quote]
bro too many questions doesn’t necessarily mean im wasting time. If i wont ask too many questions on my most valuable asset what else should i emphasize on?
trust me yr efforts paid off im willing now to consider real amounts at least for a beg cycle
ill post results after im done to make up for the flooded thread[/quote]
I already mapped out the most basic and safe cycle. If you want to throw in primo go for it but please for love of god run 500mg of test. You will be so much happier from results.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
If you want to cycle, do a proper one.
There’s a special rung in hell reserved for people who waste good primo.[/quote]
just realized how unfair life is when primo is in the wrong hands 
anyways i wouldnt wanna take it for granted so ill go ahead and take yr advise for it
ill add the consdierable amount of test and hcg to primo and will go ahead with the general suggested beginner cycle
give me your final confirmation on the below to end all your sufferings here
25 ai eod during cycle
20/20/20/20/10/10 nolva starting 2-3 weeks post cycle
any reply on tapering?
[quote]nooberific wrote:
[quote]Twolverine wrote:
[quote]nooberific wrote:
Too many of the same questions about the same concerns. I wouldn’t cycle if I was you either. You’re just all over the place.[/quote]
bro too many questions doesn’t necessarily mean im wasting time. If i wont ask too many questions on my most valuable asset what else should i emphasize on?
trust me yr efforts paid off im willing now to consider real amounts at least for a beg cycle
ill post results after im done to make up for the flooded thread[/quote]
I already mapped out the most basic and safe cycle. If you want to throw in primo go for it but please for love of god run 500mg of test. You will be so much happier from results.
[/quote]
thats what ill probably do and add hcg as well altogether 6 weeks
how does this look to you
aromasin 25 eod during cycle
pct
nolva 20/20/20/20/10/10
[quote]Twolverine wrote:
[quote]nooberific wrote:
[quote]Twolverine wrote:
[quote]nooberific wrote:
Too many of the same questions about the same concerns. I wouldn’t cycle if I was you either. You’re just all over the place.[/quote]
bro too many questions doesn’t necessarily mean im wasting time. If i wont ask too many questions on my most valuable asset what else should i emphasize on?
trust me yr efforts paid off im willing now to consider real amounts at least for a beg cycle
ill post results after im done to make up for the flooded thread[/quote]
I already mapped out the most basic and safe cycle. If you want to throw in primo go for it but please for love of god run 500mg of test. You will be so much happier from results.
[/quote]
thats what ill probably do and add hcg as well altogether 6 weeks
how does this look to you
aromasin 25 eod during cycle
pct
nolva 20/20/20/20/10/10
[/quote]
If you run test-e 6 weeks is too little time. You would have to run it 10+. If you want short 6-8 week cycle run prop, but prop is eod or ed pinning, so you better get use to pip and injecting regularly. (My first cycle was 100mg/ed of prop and I loved it, saw great results).
Now sure on aromasin dosage as I use adex and run 0.5/eod. I believe aromasin is 12.5 eod to begin with but don’t quote me on that.
I would run 6 week PCT to be safe at Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20, last two weeks you can run 10mg instead of 20, but since I have 20mg capsules and breaking them up is a bitch I just keep running 20.
[quote]Twolverine wrote:
dt79 wrote:
If you want to cycle, do a proper one.
There’s a special rung in hell reserved for people who waste good primo.[/quote]
You just thank God it’s not Chivas 18 scotch or I would have flown over to where ever you are and ended you myself!
[quote]anyways i wouldnt wanna take it for granted so ill go ahead and take yr advise for it
ill add the consdierable amount of test and hcg to primo and will go ahead with the general suggested beginner cycle
give me your final confirmation on the below to end all your sufferings here
25 ai eod during cycle
20/20/20/20/10/10 nolva starting 2-3 weeks post cycle [/quote]
Looks good.
EDIT:
SRY i didn’t see 6 weeks. See nooberific’s post above.
Never tried it so just my opinion:
If you want to retain gains, you want to take measures to restart your natural test ASAP. I think you should do a SERM PCT no matter what as it expediates recovery greatly.
[quote]nooberific wrote:
[quote]Twolverine wrote:
[quote]nooberific wrote:
[quote]Twolverine wrote:
[quote]nooberific wrote:
Too many of the same questions about the same concerns. I wouldn’t cycle if I was you either. You’re just all over the place.[/quote]
bro too many questions doesn’t necessarily mean im wasting time. If i wont ask too many questions on my most valuable asset what else should i emphasize on?
trust me yr efforts paid off im willing now to consider real amounts at least for a beg cycle
ill post results after im done to make up for the flooded thread[/quote]
I already mapped out the most basic and safe cycle. If you want to throw in primo go for it but please for love of god run 500mg of test. You will be so much happier from results.
[/quote]
thats what ill probably do and add hcg as well altogether 6 weeks
how does this look to you
aromasin 25 eod during cycle
pct
nolva 20/20/20/20/10/10
[/quote]
If you run test-e 6 weeks is too little time. You would have to run it 10+. If you want short 6-8 week cycle run prop, but prop is eod or ed pinning, so you better get use to pip and injecting regularly. (My first cycle was 100mg/ed of prop and I loved it, saw great results).
Now sure on aromasin dosage as I use adex and run 0.5/eod. I believe aromasin is 12.5 eod to begin with but don’t quote me on that.
I would run 6 week PCT to be safe at Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20, last two weeks you can run 10mg instead of 20, but since I have 20mg capsules and breaking them up is a bitch I just keep running 20.[/quote]
seems good ill go for the frequent pinning of prop as a first test cycle
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]Twolverine wrote:
dt79 wrote:
If you want to cycle, do a proper one.
There’s a special rung in hell reserved for people who waste good primo.[/quote]
You just thank God it’s not Chivas 18 scotch or I would have flown over to where ever you are and ended you myself!
[quote]anyways i wouldnt wanna take it for granted so ill go ahead and take yr advise for it
ill add the consdierable amount of test and hcg to primo and will go ahead with the general suggested beginner cycle
give me your final confirmation on the below to end all your sufferings here
25 ai eod during cycle
20/20/20/20/10/10 nolva starting 2-3 weeks post cycle [/quote]
Looks good.
EDIT:
SRY i didn’t see 6 weeks. See nooberific’s post above.
Never tried it so just my opinion:
If you want to retain gains, you want to take measures to restart your natural test ASAP. I think you should do a SERM PCT no matter what as it expediates recovery greatly.[/quote]
great / clear enough
why cant i use long esters for short “6 week” cycles?
I know short cycles with long esters yield the same results as short cycles with short esters. Yes, it takes longer to “kick in” but it also takes longer to “kick out” so it should be the same
not sure about hpta effects but would it matter? given ill pct anyways
a longer ester takes time to reach peak levels, likewise once you stop pinning the levels will begin dropping so with shorter esters you will have peak levels for a longer amount of time assuming you wanted to run different esters at the same length
[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
a longer ester takes time to reach peak lwvels, likewise once you stop pinning the levels will begin dropping so with shorter esters you will have peak levels for a longer amount of time assuming you wanted to run different esters at the same length[/quote]
so basically running longer esters for shorter periods i’ll be shut down anyways without benefiting from the full potential of the long ester. i understand this.
but im wondering in case i run a longer ester for a short period say 6 wks would extending the shorter stacked ester for say 8 wks (2 additional wks) counter that effect?
8 weeks is the recommended time for short esters. Youll be fine.
Google John Doe bodybuilding. He is an advocate for low test and low dose cycles (read conservative ) and use of safer steriods like primo,anavar.
[quote]plastic wrote:
Google John Doe bodybuilding. He is an advocate for low test and low dose cycles (read conservative ) and use of safer steriods like primo,anavar. [/quote]
thanks for the share - looks good ill take a read but some minor remarks / recap of the above
although i am myself convinced with low dose cycles these guys here make much sense about suppression taking place even on low dosages thus better to benefit from the cycle on higher doses. HPTA’s effects as far as i learned are more related to duration rather than qtties
No such thing as “PCT.” you simply taper off whatever you’re using and allow the body to reach homeostasis by itself. This is coming from my endo with over 25+ years experience.
Also, for those curious Arimidex is to be used ONLY when needed not just because throughout the cycle. i.e. Itchy nipples; limp dick.
Use Letrozole for gynecomastia reversal.
LOL!
your “endo” apparently sucks, as there has been extensive research in a medical context on restoring the HPTA…
letro, a-dex and aromasin are all useful for gyno treatment… success depends largely on individual factors.
He has a point as old school there was no PCT and ppl used to taper off naturally. I myself tapered off naturally off a mild primo and var cycle with absolutely no PCT. Only felt like shit and suffered from low libido due to test suppression half way through the cycle till 2 weeks after but that was it.
tapering off is a silly idea. the only reasons to do it are in reference to a drug test, if the user cannot tolerate a SERM, or if the user has been on such high doses of AAS that they are mentally used to the doses and need a taper for stability’s sake.
PCT works… a taper will prolly work, but in the meantime, will result in low androgen levels until the HPTA catches up.
Buddy of mine at the gym has great advice for you when I told him your idea for a cycle.
If you are dead set to use Primo (inject, not oral), then use at least 600mg/week, over two injection (at least 300 mg each) every 3-4 day, for at least 12 (16 is better) weeks to see the benefit.
And 2):
Throw the anavar in for the beginning over the first 4-6 weeks as much as you have. He said he wouldn’t even bother with it himself, and I would listen if I were you (which I’m not), it is probably fake 90% chance, and even if real will only mess up HDL cholesterol, offer little gain, and just increase vascularity. But your choice right?
I say go for it and report your results at the end, we would enjoying hearing about your progress. But do bloodwork also and keep yourself safe.
Hey guys,I know most didn’t like or agree with this thread, but I’m sure some could be curious of the results especially after investing much energy on this post. I have been researching for a further 2.5 years after this thread where I even noticed a minority that have the same concern as I do about starting a low dose primo and avoiding adding the test to avoid shutdown or worrying about a less harsh hpta recovery etc…
I have been trying for years to find a solution to counter the suppression of test by primo without adding any test or androgen that would avoid shutdown, but eventually reached that it is impossible which I’m sure you all already knew and even tried to explain in this thread.
Anyways a few months ago i finally decided to only cycle 300g of primo pw for 7 weeks which many will find insulting. But here are the results if anyone is wondering (Im probably one of the very few if any who posted results of such a cycle which despite the insignificance, seems like an achievement
My strength did not significantly increase, but I was on a very low carb diet thus any increase of strength is an achievement. I would imagine primo on a bulking cycle would give slightly better strength but still nothing serious compared to other substances. Started to feel the primo effects around week 5+ and appetites were still controlled.
2 weeks after my last pin i started pct with clomid 300 day 1, then 50 every day which had be fully recovered. I performed blood tests before and during and after the cycle where despite test was suppressed, i still got erections and my sex drive was not completely diminished which debunked my greatest fear of not using test alongside. However my cholesterol levels were a bit on the high side (at the peak of the recommended range)
After my last pin i have been bulging down all sorts of food which set my body further into anabolic mode, and didn’t gain much fat
Today abt 6 weeks after my last pin, my diet is not the best, my workouts are not as consistent yet my strength is still going up, and i still feel the primo which i guess is normal due to its long esther. but gains slightly diminished offcourse.
yes gains were not huge, but i still looked natural and jacked. However if your goal is serious gains offcourse this is a waste of time, yet i can imagine if combined with other substances you will achieve great results. overall i am satisfied with the results considering i was not shutdown at that dose as many claim, and recovery was quick and easy. I do blv that this is the safest and mildest cycle with the least possible side effects one can encounter, and probably the only cycle that will not completely shut you down. I will give this cycle another go at 400 pw for 7 weeks after abt 7 months.
in case of interest i could try to post a pic or 2 of the results ( i dont have much clear ones )
I thank you all for your time spent in contributing your knowledgeable input