Frickin Cops, Man!

[quote]PSlave wrote:
No, a court ruled that checkpoints for sobriety, etc are unconstitutional.
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Ok, let’s see. In 1989, the USSC said they were unconstitutional. A year later the USSC reversed that decision in Michigan vs. Sitz. Personally, I don’t think it was a good decision, but there it is.

Now, Minnesota (for example) could hold checkpoints to be unconstitutional based on the state constitution. Are you sure that’s not what you’re referring to? If the USSC has ruled on it again, I would be happy to hear it.

In California there are lots of checkpoints i.e. weekends, St. Patrick’s Day, Labor Day, $th of July, etc

I dont understand people. If you are doing something that you know you can get a ticket for, they why rant and rave about it when you get the ticket. Of course he is gonna go for the slower guys, he will never catch the fast ones. Plus you stopped. He wrote eating with one hand so he had some extra info on the ticket when he goes to court thats all. its not to say you were doing something wrong. He also has on the back of the ticket where he was standing, where you coming from, your speed, the day condidtions, light, weather, pavement, and what you said has soon as he stopped you.

Wenesday 08-24-05

1800 hours. Clear from roll call load up the car. Talk to my brand new recruit, with zero time on the job, that I am now responsible for. Would like to take 20-30 minutes and discuss things like tactics and how to make sure we don’t get killed but can’t because a shooting goes down and we have to roll.

1810-1930 hours. Gang member shot in the head. Gang Officers say they were looking at him as a possible homicide suspect in another shooting. Looks like pay back from a rival gang. Assist with keeping the neighbors away from the crime scene. 60 minutes of verbal abuse from onlookers, “Fucking cops. You are good for nothing. Why don’t you go eat some donuts.” Of course nobody saw anything even though it was on the street during rush hour.

1930-1950 hours. The crime scene seems to be under control so I roll to a robbery alarm, code three. It is a false alarm like 98% of them are but we still have to roll. The owner seems to find it all very amusing when we come sneaking in. After making sure that everything is OK I explain to him that we spend 10% of our time responding to alarm call but only 98% of them are legitimate. I ask that he be more carefull with his alarm. Now he is no longer amused but pissed. “Listen young man, I pay your salary so don’t start lecturing me.” We clear the scene.

1950-2100 hours. We rush over to a battery in progress. A fight between homeless guys. Suspects are gone by the time we get there. I walk my recruit threw a battery investigation and report. Like most new recruits he is motivated but completely lost. There is so much information coming at him that he is overwhelmed. I tell him to hang in there, it will get better in about 6 months.

2100-2400 hours. A gang member gets shot. Paramedics pronounce him dead and cover him up with a sheet. A little while later somebody sees him move. It is unusually but not unheard of, the guy is in fact dead. Of course all the family members freak out. Paramedics load him up and transport him. Officers are left holding the crime scene with a highly beligerent crowd. Help call goes out and we respond. Another couple of hours of rocks, bottles and verbal abuse. A couple of NOI members get arrested. As we leave the scene a five year old flips me off and yells in his child like voice, “Fuck the po po.” His family member in the front yard laugh.

2400-0100 hours. I respond to the station to see a Sergeant. A citizen came in the previous day and accussed me of calling him racial slurs and yelling at him. The Sergeant is assigned the investigation. I play him my tape recording of the incident which shows that the citizen was the only one who yelled and called me racial slurs. The Sergeant takes a copy of the tape and tells me not to worry about it. He will spend approximately 40 hours on his investigation and while it will come back as an unfounded allegation it will still go in my permanent record.

0100-0200 hours. We are backed up on loud party radio calls so we run out and try to quickly shut down several parties. The party goers usually want to argue with us but I just don’t have the time to discuss it. The radio keeps blaring with high priority calls. We pull off of one call and respond to a backup. Another Officer fighting with a very large suspect under the influence. Fortunatley nobody gets injured but now that Officer and his partner wull be out of the field for the rest of the shift, along with a Sergeant, completing a Use of Force report as well as an arrest. At least his partner who is a recruit did OK. We have had instances where recruits freaked out and ran away or locked themselves in the car, leaving there partner to fight on his own.

0200-0215 hours. My partners eyes are starting to glaze over. Too much going on for him to absorb. I would like to get something to eat but there isn’t time. All we can afford to do is pull into a 7-11 and grab a quick cup of coffee. (At 2 in the morning there is not much open besides convenience stores and donut shops). I tell him again to hang in there, it will get better. He seems unsure but I don’t know whether it is because he is having second thoughts or he is just tired.

0215-0245 hours. Respond to a narcotics investigation. There is no call back number so the Supreme Court has ruled that I am very limited in what I can do. I can see the suspect standing on the corner but unless I see a hand to hand or something I can’t stop him. Of course he can see me also so he doesn’t do anything. While we are sitting there a citizen comes out of his house and comes over to talk to us. He complains that there is a lot of narcotics activity in the area and the police are not doing anything about it. I explain to him that that is why we are here but we need to be able to contact the person reporting if we are going to be able to take action. He goes back inside his house complaining about the good for nothing cops.

0245-0330 hours. Generic radio calls. Mostly disputes and loud radios. A pain in the neck but they have to be handled. If you call we come.

0330-0600 hours. Driver runs a stop sign at high speed and t-bones another car. Three people in the hospital including an eight year old. Clean up the collision scene, respond to the hospital for interviews and then to the station to complete the report. As I’m leaving the hospital the driver of the other car says, “You really need to enforce that stop sign. People are always running it.”

0600-0800 hours. Would like to go home but I have court at 0800. At least now I finally get a chance to eat.

0800-1200 hours. Sit in court while lawyers,judges and defendants argue and bargain. I talk to a burglary detective who is there on a case. He says that he spent some 200 hours putting together a multiple burlglary case on the defendant. Now none of his victims have shown up so they are probably going to release the suspect. 200 hours down the drain.

1200-1600 hours. My defendant takes a plea. I go home and sleep for four hours.

I head back to work for another twelve hours shift. The Captain comes to roll call and tells us, “Officer you are doing a great job. But the tickets have started to decrease. I need you to get out there and right more tickets.”

Any of you want to change jobs with the fucking, no good cops?

[quote]JT wrote:
I dont understand people. If you are doing something that you know you can get a ticket for, they why rant and rave about it when you get the ticket. Of course he is gonna go for the slower guys, he will never catch the fast ones. Plus you stopped. He wrote eating with one hand so he had some extra info on the ticket when he goes to court thats all. its not to say you were doing something wrong. He also has on the back of the ticket where he was standing, where you coming from, your speed, the day condidtions, light, weather, pavement, and what you said has soon as he stopped you. [/quote]

yeah you’re right. of course he’s gonna go for the easy ones. the part that kills me is if i hadn’t slowed down i wouldn’t have gotten the flag… live and learn i suppose.

[quote]TriGWU wrote:
Back home in Palm Beach County we have issues where cops repeated speed WELL ABOVE the speed limit with no purpose. This has been openly admitted by people on the force that many of these officers have no reason to be speeding. [/quote]

Why do cops think they can go 80 in a 45 when ambulances aren’t even allowed to go over the speed limit?

[quote]BIGERIC wrote:
I have no use for cops. it seems to me that when I see some one pulled over 9 times out of 10 it is an old beat up car. That tells me that pigs are selective in who they pull over and it seems they are always sticking it to the little guy. Most of the cops I have ever known are arrogant. Screw’em I have no use for them.[/quote]

I disagree. I think they tend to pull over nicer cars because they like to show they have power over someone’s amount of money. They already feel like they’re above the “little guy”…they want everyone to know they’re better than the “richer more successful” type.

[quote]royalgoober wrote:
TriGWU wrote:
Back home in Palm Beach County we have issues where cops repeated speed WELL ABOVE the speed limit with no purpose. This has been openly admitted by people on the force that many of these officers have no reason to be speeding.

Why do cops think they can go 80 in a 45 when ambulances aren’t even allowed to go over the speed limit?[/quote]

Over the course of an 11 hour shift, I’m really not in a hurry to get anywhere. Actually, during routine patrol, officers should be travelling somewhat under the posted speed limit in order to see things going on. There are times, however, when we need to exceed the speed limit responding to calls. This may come as a complete surprise to some of you, but flashing lights and wailing sirens tend to scare away the bad guys before we get there.

[quote]Sarge131 wrote:
Actually, during routine patrol, officers should be travelling somewhat under the posted speed limit in order to see things going on. There are times, however, when we need to exceed the speed limit responding to calls. This may come as a complete surprise to some of you, but flashing lights and wailing sirens tend to scare away the bad guys before we get there.
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Whenever the cops are responding to a call during a routine patrol in my area, they’ll just flash their lights a few times to get traffic to move out of the way. I’ve never heard of a cop car speeding down the road at night w/ its lights off until I read this thread though. It’s surprising to me that cops in some areas would do that routinely.

[quote]royalgoober wrote:
BIGERIC wrote:
I have no use for cops. it seems to me that when I see some one pulled over 9 times out of 10 it is an old beat up car. That tells me that pigs are selective in who they pull over and it seems they are always sticking it to the little guy. Most of the cops I have ever known are arrogant. Screw’em I have no use for them.

I disagree. I think they tend to pull over nicer cars because they like to show they have power over someone’s amount of money. They already feel like they’re above the “little guy”…they want everyone to know they’re better than the “richer more successful” type.[/quote]

Yeah, I know. Cops pull over nice cars because we want to prove our manhood, we stop rat-traps because we are picking on the little guy, we stop minorities because we are racist. Do you think it is within the realm of possibility that we are stopping cars because thier drivers have actually committed a motor vehicle violation?

Police Officers have unique jobs in that we are so visible. At almost every job we respond to, we have an audience. People crane their necks and back up traffic for miles so they can watch us tow an abandoned car on a highway. They peek out of their windows when we respond to their neighbor’s house on a domestic dispute.

Just walking into a conveince store for a cup of coffee in uniform causes a stir. Those of you on the job know what I’m talking about. Being in that uniform and being so visible also gets us killed. We are an enormous target because of that uniform no matter what department we work for.

In the grand scheme of things, your traffic tickets and the reasons you “think” someone was stopped for are really pretty trivial. It’s time people took some personal responsibility for their own actions. When you blow a red light and receive a summons for it, blame yourself, and not the cop who is writing the summons.

In and earlier post I brought up 9/11. In the NY Metropolitan Area, thousands of cops and fireman responded to ground zero on that day and in the weeks and months that followed. Not just NYPD/PAPD/FDNY, but cops and firemen from the entire tri-state area, and quite a few from all around the country, I might add. Most of them were volunteering, on their days off, with no compensation.

I spent about a week at the Fresh Kills Landfill, Staten Island, digging through human remains, pieces of aircraft, family photos that were once sitting on someone’s desk, twisted metal and things that I couldn’t identify. What I could identify, however, were police badges, torn blue uniforms, fire helmets, hoses.

Teams of about 10-15 cops dressed in Tyvek suits and respirators would dig and rake meticulously through pile after pile of debris. There was no hope of finding survivors, only evidence, small body parts, documents, memories…police and fire equipment. After we sorted through all of this stuff and set aside the items worth keeping. It would get scooped up, carried away, and you would haar the dreaded beeping of another dump truck backing up and dumping another load to sort through.

My experience, as much it has deeply affected me, cannot compare with what my brother and sisters across the river had experienced. Cops and fireman, bagpipers, honor guards, responded from across the river and far beyond to lay these heros to rest. You see the NYPD/FDNY/PAPD didn’t have the manpower to attend the hundreds of funerals and memorial services.

I’m done with my rant. The next time any of you get a ticket, just pay the freakin thing! There’s al lot more going on in the world. It’s not all about you.

[quote]Sarge131 wrote:
There’s al lot more going on in the world. It’s not all about you.[/quote]

???

[quote]royalgoober wrote:
TriGWU wrote:
Back home in Palm Beach County we have issues where cops repeated speed WELL ABOVE the speed limit with no purpose. This has been openly admitted by people on the force that many of these officers have no reason to be speeding.

Why do cops think they can go 80 in a 45 when ambulances aren’t even allowed to go over the speed limit?[/quote]

There are plenty of reasons for the police to exceed the speed limit. We are allowed to do so by law in every state, as long as there is a reason. Seeing a minor violation up ahead on the highway is plenty of reason. The only way to get close to a car that is well in front of you is to speed up. Isnt this common sense? Even if we dont pull the car over, we may be doing other things…looking for other violations, running the plate etc.

Also, I will purposely not use my lights and siren when responding to calls if traffic is light enough. Those overhead lights make people do stupid things and often it is better to just weave around them. In addition, sarge correctly pointed out that many times we dont like to announce our arrival.

Sure, a couple of dopes get a badge and think it is time to play nascar wannabe on the highway. But most of us drive fast for a reason, even if you dont understand it.

I heard a supervisor put it this way to someone who was pissed off that the cops had their guns out on a call(one of those cops was me, and it was completely justified, btw). He said “When you go to the dentist, do you tell him what drill to use?” Stopped her in her tracks. So please think twice before you start commenting on police tactics when it is as foreign to you as the French language is to me.

As far as your second post…that is just plain ignorance. Re-read what I posted earlier in this thread and if you still don’t get it, you never will.

Sorry for the rant above. I’m just pissed off. My point being, we do a hell of a lot more than write traffic tickets. You should all keep that in mind the next time you are inconvenienced by getting stopped.

I pretty much think Sarge, JD and Cat said it all…

If you have any questions on why we do things feel free to ask, I would love to clear up misconceptions.

As far as me pulling people over for petty traffic violations looking for warrants or other large pulls. about 8 times out of 10 If the person is clean they wont get a ticket but for me to pull you over you need to break a traffic law and I love to get into peoples cars and find drugs…weed I could care less ill dump it and you go but crack rolling meth labs are common. And you would be surprised at how many people have warrants.

Anyways like I said if you have questions please ask I would be happy to tell you and clear some misconceptions.

oh wait the thing about driving over the speed limit. one example…we are not allowed by law to drive over the speed limit to a call of a intruder in someones house but if this house was your moms or your wifes or your sister…wouldnt you want us to get our asses there. We have to make choices I can risk my job or if I get in a wreck lose medical and have to pay those out of pocket if I am going fast when I am unauthorized to do so but I serve the public and its my job to keep them safe so on some things the city may not think is a emergency but most of us cops know better, we will get there as fast as we can.

Anyway just got off shift time for bed sorry bout the typos …

Mag