Beware of Sneaky Traffic Cops

This sucks, as my law-school roommate from Tennessee used to say, “Big fat floppy donkey d*&k”! They say it’s about safety but you know it’s all about the cold cash.

Slow Down: That Golfer
May Be a Traffic Cop

Police Try Unorthodox Tactics
To Catch and Ticket Speeders;
Chicago’s Red-Light Cameras
By LOUISE STORY
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
July 1, 2004; Page D1

Some of the millions of drivers hitting the road this holiday weekend will face some new surprises.

With budgets under pressure, police across the country are using some unorthodox tactics to ticket people who speed or run red lights. There are several burgeoning categories of enforcement. The most familiar is the cameras that catch speeders and red light runners: These highly effective tools are being deployed at many more intersections across the country. Police are also increasingly teaming up with officers from other towns to blanket a particular area with ticket-writing officials.

But in a more unusual approach to law enforcement, policemen are starting to don an array of disguises in order to track speeding drivers without attracting attention. Since November, officers in Wilmington, N.C., have dressed up as golfers looking for their ball at the edge of a golf course and disguised themselves as construction workers fixing street lights.

Outfitted with radar guns, they radio ahead to a partner dressed in a normal police uniform, who then tickets the offending drivers. Officers there have adopted the look of a homeless person, wearing a bandana, old Army jacket, and jeans with the knees cut out, a beat-up duffle bag at their side.

State police in Pennsylvania last month also started disguising some officers, dressing them in camouflage and deploying them to wooded areas alongside state roads. In one recent five-hour stretch, they gave out 27 speeding tickets, according to a spokesman from the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation. Law-enforcement officers in Maine, Florida and other states are also using disguises.

Police and transportation officials say that at a time when budgets have been cut and some resources diverted to federal homeland-security initiatives, these new tactics present a more effective way to curb aggressive driving and make the roads safer. But some argue that the motivation behind the new vigilance on traffic violations is more revenue-driven than safety-oriented. In some small towns, traffic ticket revenues make up a decent chunk of the budget.

Speeders and law-enforcement officials have long played a game of cat-and-mouse, and some of the latest police tactics are a response to drivers catching on to earlier methods.

In Maine, the state police tried sticking empty police cars in the highway median to try to get drivers to slow down. But as the cars accumulated dust and dirt, drivers quickly concluded there was not a ticketing threat.

The Maine state police have since begun using the officer disguises – but even now, they’re continually on the lookout for new outfits to keep drivers guessing. “I think a lot of them are gimmicky to the point where they don’t work for a long term period,” says Randall Nichols, an officer in the department’s operations division.

Also newly popular are “blitzes,” where police from several departments team up on drivers in one town with an unusually high number of cops. That allows towns that are too small to have dedicated traffic officers set up major speed traps.

Surge in Tickets

In January, Avon, Conn., which typically has only five or six officers on duty to handle all police matters, began teaming up with eight other central Connecticut towns to target traffic violators. It borrows a handful of officers to do nothing but give out tickets. The result: Some 50 to 60 traffic tickets are handed out a day, up from the fewer than 10 that are normally issued, says police chief Peter Agnesi. Police in Utah, New Mexico and Oregon have also led ticketing campaigns in the past year.

Perhaps the most popular new ticketing tools are the cameras, which are set up at intersections or alongside the road to catch both speeders and people who don’t stop properly at red lights. The city then mails the tickets to the car owners. In the past year alone, the number of cities with these cameras has increased to about 100 from 70, according to the two companies that sell most of the devices in the U.S., Affiliated Computer Services Inc. based in Dallas and Redflex Traffic Systems, Inc., of Scottsdale, Ariz.

The list of cities includes everywhere from Paramount, Calif., and Medford, Ore., to bigger cities like Albuquerque, N.M., and Providence, R.I. The city of Baltimore plans to install 18 more red-light cameras on top of the 47 it already has, says David Brown, spokesman for Baltimore City Department of Transportation.

Chicago, which installed the first of 10 red-light cameras in November, says the roads are already safer as a result. One of the cameras that caught 55 violators on its first day of operation now records 39 on average, says Brian Steele, assistant commissioner of Chicago’s Department of Transportation. The city is considering introducing speeding cameras as well, he says.

But another effect of the new tactics is that more tickets are being generated. The Wilmington, N.C., police, for example, typically write 34 tickets a day, but that jumps to 60 when they’re using disguises, says Sgt. David Register. Chicago has issued 32,000 tickets just as a result of the new cameras, says Mr. Steele.

Alternative to Tax Hike?

The District of Columbia, for example, raised more than $85 million from traffic violators in its fiscal year 2002, or about 2.5% of its total revenue that year. But in cities with a smaller tax base, that number can shoot up. In the village of Woodstock, Vt., for instance, income from traffic violations amounts to about 15% of revenues.

“You can be ticketing people and that’s extra money for you without having to raise taxes,” says Eric Skrum, spokesman for the National Motorists Association, based in Waunakee, Wis. He says engineering problems, such as overly short yellow-light times, are behind many of red-light violations. Some cities, he says, don’t want to fix the engineering problems because then they’d lose the revenue from the tickets.

Miffed Car Owners

In some cases, the cameras have created controversy. Some drivers in Chicago, for example, complained that they had received tickets in the mail for violations that occurred when someone else was driving their car. California, one of the earliest states to use the cameras, takes photos of the drivers of the cars as well as the license tags. It charges a fine of between $310 and $361 for drivers who run a red light, and even adds a point to their license. Non-commercial drivers who amass four points from traffic violations of any kind within a year get their licenses suspended.

Write to Louise Story at louise.story@wsj.com


I can definitely see why people would get radar detectors and such. Also, check this out:

Spray vs. Spy: Devices
Aim to Thwart Cameras

By MICHELLE HIGGINS
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
July 1, 2004; Page D4

As quickly as police come out with new ways to nab speeders, companies are creating devices to help drivers circumvent those efforts.

Now, as more cities roll out traffic-enforcement cameras to catch lawbreakers in action, companies are peddling everything from reflective covers to spray-on films to make license plates unreadable when the camera flashes.

“It’s like the arms race,” says Bill Johnson, executive director of the National Association of Police Organizations in Washington, D.C. “First police came up with radar, then there were radar detectors. Police came out with lasers, then companies came up with laser detectors.”

Some of the new products are decidedly low tech. Super Protector, a clear license-plate cover, sold by RadarBusters.com is designed to obscure license-plate numbers when viewed from above or the side by a camera. PhantomPlate Inc., Harrisburg, Pa., says its $30 spray makes a license plate so reflective it causes a glare when the camera’s flash goes off, overexposing the image.

But the reflective sprays and covers may be effective for only so long. A bill prohibiting the use of the spray in New York is pending in the state Senate. And in Chicago, which started rolling out a red-light camera program in November, Brian Steele, a spokesman for the Chicago Department of Transportation, says the city’s cameras are at an angle to diminish any light reflection.

At the same time, radar-gun detectors are getting increasingly more sophisticated to combat advances in radar guns. Earlier this year, Beltronics USA, Westchester, Ohio, rolled out a new line of detectors able to identify radar guns using “POP mode” technology, which can measure vehicle speeds in a quick short burst without triggering most radar detectors. POP mode is “a threat if you happen to live in a neighborhood with it,” says Craig Peterson, president of RadarTest.com, which posts information about new speed-measuring technology and tactics for getting around it. He says he’s found that some detectors can pick up on guns with POP mode. However, he says, few police departments are using it.

John Broxon, product manager for MPH Industries Inc., a Owensboro, Ky., maker of POP-mode radar guns, disagrees with the claim that POP-mode guns can be detected. “Radar-detector companies have been trying to find ways to defeat the capability and have not being able to do so,” Mr. Broxon says.

All of these products are captivating motorists and infuriating lawmakers. Radar detectors in passenger cars are legal in most states, except for Virginia. They’re also illegal in Washington, D.C.

Though the companies say they aren’t trying to aid scofflaws in any way, their Web sites unabashedly tout their products as a way to get out of tickets. PhantomPlate.com flashes banners such as: “Fight back! Avoid costly traffic tickets.”

The companies say they aren’t encouraging people to break the law. Rather, says Joe Scott, marketing director for PhantomPlate, they aim to protect “the average law-abiding person” from law-enforcement methods that he says are aimed at increasing ticket revenue rather than curbing accidents.

Nathan Abraham, a pharmaceutical salesman from Glen Burnie, Md., says he bought the spray after he got a $75 ticket he says he didn’t deserve. “I don’t condone running red lights,” says Mr. Abraham.

“But there are situations beyond your control when you have to go through the red light,” such as when an ambulance needs to get through. He says he knows the spray works because once he saw the camera flash as he went through a red light to let an ambulance pass and he didn’t received a ticket.

Even if lawmakers succeed in banning the spray, motorists aren’t showing signs of relenting. PhantomPlate says sales have skyrocketed: In the past year, the company has sold over 100,000 bottles.

Write to Michelle Higgins at michelle.higgins@wsj.com

I’ve actually seen cops dressed like construction workers inFflorida.

sneaky pricks.

While these guys are cross-dressing to catch speeders, somewhere there is a crime happening… :stuck_out_tongue:

I have no problem with police pulling people over for speeding, but a few months ago a woman called 911 here in Regina she needed help, all the police were busy… by the time they arrived (5 hours after her call) she was dead. This was during Regina’s “CRACK DOWN ON SPEEDERS” month.

I would rather see people speeding than dying.

-Dave

I’ve been seeing the statey (cough, in Maine they call them troopers?) cars on the maine highway collecting dust. Its sort of funny.

It was very hush hush, but when I first moved here my boyfriend got pulled over in a 50mph, was stopped in front of the 30mph change over and fined for going 50 in a 30 (btw, it got thrown out when he went to fight it) anyways, we found out the city he got pulled over in was having a prize ski vacation for a weekend to the officer who gave out the most worth in speeding tickets during that month (family included). More departments start picking up this prize attitude & you’ll also be seeing more tickets wrongfully handed out.

Doesn’t surprise me the lengths they will go to to be assholes and try to make up for budget deficits, when they should be spending money more prudently. I think seat belt and helmet laws are also bullshit. They are only there to make money, period. How does not wearing a seat belt or helmet hurt anyone but you. And I like the ads, “I would rather give a hundred tickets than have to see another body.” Hey thin blue cocksucker, it’s your job to have to look at my mangled corpse. Whenever I get a ticket for speeding a couple miles over, or not having all the snow cleared off my windows(it’s snowing and winter, the officer didn’t have his window cleared completely either) I go to court instead of just paying and going away quietly like they want. It never ceases to amaze me how big of a jerkoff the judges are. The ticket never gets dropped or lowered but at least I get to tell those robed fags what I think of them. Oh yeah, Dave, the city doesn’t make money when they save someones life, so you can see how ticketing speeders is more important. Fuck the Police!

Here’s a classic “trick.” I was riding along with a friend going somewhere a few years ago, and he got pulled over. There was a no RIGHT turn sign completely covered in snow. There was also a cop conveniently located right by the covered sign. When we turned into the gas station, boom… it was ticket time. but get this, the officer didn’t even go to remove the snow from the sign after pulling us over, and besides, who has ever heard of a NO RIGHT TURN sign (it was apparently a bus lane). My buddy ended up just paying the fine and getting the point nocked off his license, a measly 30 bucks. What sucked for him the most was the increase in insurance… how rediculous. As a side note, when we were leaving the gas station we got to see another person get pulled over for the same thing about 5 minutes later. When he then went and uncovered the sign, I wonder if that upset the officer on duty???

I agree they’re out of control. We should let our local representitives know. Supposedly the majority rule in America. shrug

California technically has a law on the books that outlaws quotas for speeding tickets and parking tickets. It is routinely ignored. Maybe some enterprising Californian will sue? Probably not the trial lawyers bar though, as there likely wouldn’t be a fat fee associated with it.

I think we should agitate at local representatives on this issue, but it won’t work without a LOT of pressure – they want your money, and it’s easier for the local politicians than raising taxes would be. And the first thing they are going to argue is “We’re just trying to make it safer for the CHILDREN.”

Please cut and past the above and email it to all your friends. Maybe we can start some grass-roots rebellion. =-)

“Doesn’t surprise me the lengths they will go to to be assholes and try to make up for budget deficits, when they should be spending money more prudently. I think seat belt and helmet laws are also bullshit. They are only there to make money, period. How does not wearing a seat belt or helmet hurt anyone but you. And I like the ads, “I would rather give a hundred tickets than have to see another body.” Hey thin blue cocksucker, it’s your job to have to look at my mangled corpse. Whenever I get a ticket for speeding a couple miles over, or not having all the snow cleared off my windows(it’s snowing and winter, the officer didn’t have his window cleared completely either) I go to court instead of just paying and going away quietly like they want. It never ceases to amaze me how big of a jerkoff the judges are. The ticket never gets dropped or lowered but at least I get to tell those robed fags what I think of them. Oh yeah, Dave, the city doesn’t make money when they save someones life, so you can see how ticketing speeders is more important. Fuck the Police!”

Nice attitude to go through life with. One day, hopefully, you will grow up.

Anyway, I figured I would weigh in, as I am a cop. Many of the things that have been posted here are illegal in the state I work in(such as prizes for ticket production, which to my knowledge is illegal in every state in the union and should be.) Also, ticket quotas are prohibited by attorney general guidelines and this goes so far as to say that an officer can not be reprimanded for low ticket production.

Traffic enforcement is supposed to serve a purpose…make the roads safer. I have handed out plenty of high speed tickets(30-40+ miles an hour over highway limit) and dont feel sorry at all for those people. Largely, that is because I have seen the aftermath of out of control driving behavior. With that said however, most states have continued to push the envelope with fines and ridiculous legislation in order to generate revenue.

The only thing that the little punk I quoted above got right is seatbelt and helmet laws are ridiculous in my opinion. If you want to hurt yourself, go ahead. The only time I would have a problem is if you were not properly restraing your children. This is supposed to be a free country afterall.

Believe it or not, most cops (at least the few hundred I have come across), agree with me and think the outrageous traffic fines and nitpicking traffic laws are meant only to generate revenue and would like to see it stop. In addition, the vast majority take absolutely no pleasure in handing out tickets (unless of course we are dealing with a severe violator or an absolute jerkoff). We are between a rock and a hard place…its like going to the doctor. In many instances they will be tremendously helpful, even save your life. Sometimes, however, they have to do things that are painful and that is part of their job. They dont have much of a choice.

As far as the use of cameras and such goes, I am dead set against it. The whole idea of “officer discretion” is to allow for the individual officer, who hopefully has a good upbringing and strong sense of fairness, to make a determination as to what is appropriate. I cant relate the number of times I have given breaks to people on the road…its in the thousands. The camera totally removes that and functions only as a money maker.

Where I work, we are a little too busy to be hiding in the woods with a radar gun looking for speeders. I havent heard of this practice yet anywhere around me. Im not sure what to think of it but my initial feelings are that extreme tactics like this should only be used to net very dangerous drivers(high speeds, racing tailgating etc.) and not on the general motoring public who may exceed the speed limit by 10 or 15 miles an hour on occasion.

Thats my 2 cents. I would be happy to answer any questions (within reason).

did the crime occur as a result of getting caught or what? It, the speed limit, is posted. You go over, you are in violation. Period. I didn’t mean to doesn’t work either. nut up and take it. I am not a cop.

‘Beware of Sneaky Traffic Cops’

…this coming from a LAWYER?

jaystyles

Speeding is not a criminal offense, at least not until it gets to level of reckless driving. That makes it easier to fine you for it. It’s a civil thing and so you don’t even need proof beyond reasonable doubt, just a proponderance of evidence.

While I agree that some speeders do make the roads unsafe the vast majority of them are driving safely, just faster than the speed limit.

So if it’s someone street racing, driving aggressively or dangerously, or even driving slow in the left lane, they need a ticket and at least a talking to. If you’re moving at about the speed of traffic and traffic is going 15-20 over the speed limit, as it often is on the highway here, you should be left alone.

That’s where the Feds step in. They survey the driving speeds in the states and withold interstate highway money to force them to crack down on speeders.

The whole thing sucks. Having spent part of a vacation driving on the AutoBahn in Germany I can tell you that driving fast can be done plenty safely. Their drivers for the most part aren’t super skilled and their roads aren’t much better than ours yet they can cruise at 105 or so and have to get out of the way of people moving along at 130. Their slow lane moves at 50-65 or so and people manage to accelerate, decelerate and merge just fine.

I’d rather just pay a higher gas tax and save the cops to actually make the roads safer by nailing drunks, bad drivers, unsafe loads, and people that drive like ther’re in a combat zone.

i’m assuming that most of the people who think that all this cop stuff is bullshit are those who haven’t lost friends/family to speed-related accidents

i haven’t either, and i’ll admit that i speed (as much as 30 mph over the speed limit), but i haven’t gotten a ticket yet. but i know that once i do, my speeding will stop, or it will slow down at least

i think that’s one of the main reasons tickets are handed out. once people get them and pay for them, they’re like, “wow i could have spent this money for something useful.” and then they slow down a little bit. although many people who speed are safe drivers, there are still those few who are reckless or under the influence of alcohol or a drug (which may cause them to speed). i’d much rather have more tickets be passed out and maybe take 1 or 2 bad drivers off the road than not give out many tickets and lose 1 or 2 lives

i have a question for the one cop that posted in this topic:

do police officers get paid based on how many tickets they give out?

you may have already answered this, so if you did, please reanswer it. thx

do police officers get paid based on how many tickets they give out?

No. I have never heard of a department paying more or offering bonus for more tickets. If fact, in my jurisdiction, we don’t write speeding tickets unless you are traveling 15mph over the speed limit.

Pretzel Logic…Seeing your mangled body is not what bothers me, I have seen enough dead bodies that it no longer is an issue. However, dealing with your family grieving over your mangled body is very difficult and emotionally taxing. But, with your attitude towards law enforcement, I imagine you could care less.

On a side note, not wearing safety equiptment like seat belts and helmets leads to more frequent and more severe injuries…which leads to the need for more medical attention…which leads to higher insurance premium for me and my family.

There are attorneys that make their living by representing people that get an occasional ticket. If you live in WA and need a referral, let me know. In the long run, it’s two hundred bucks well spent.

The nice thing is that I saved a ton of money by switching to Geico.

My tips for getting pulled over.

  1. Never admit guilt. If the officer asks your speed, always state that you were going the speed limit. Never say things like, “I don’t know.” You are still guilty if you didn’t realize your speed.

1a. Never agree with the officer if he states that you were going too fast.

1b. Never respond to the “Are you in a hurry comment.” The correct answer is “No, I’m not in a hurry, Officer.” No further commentary is required.

  1. Never make casual conversation with the officer.

  2. Say NOTHING more than what is needed to respond following the above rules.

  3. Take off your sunglasses.

  4. Accept your lumps and submit the ticket to your attorney.

-Brent

I would like to agree with one point that the police officer makes about excessive speeding being dangerous. And in Atlanta and the surrounding suburbs, there often are quite a few reckless drivers who always endanger others because they might be late for work or some appointment. However, there is more than one suburb that border Atlanta who make a considerable portion of their budget from ticket revenue. That much has been reported in the local newsrag. My problem with spending most of a town’s limited resources on traffic and other questionable activities of questionable value (usually massage parlor crackdowns), is that real crimes such as home invasions and robberies go unabated.

To the cop, I’d like to have cops like you around. You sound laid back. You don’t like giving tickets, and you don’t give them under 15mph? I’ve met some like that, but not most. I never speed over 10 and once I got a ticket for going 7 over in a 30 when I was less than half a block from a sign that said 35. The previous sign five blocks back was a 30. That is the kind of shit around here. It’s small town bs. The sheriffs in two adjacent counties were busted for selling meth. Someone in the Sheriffs office in my county was illegally selling old service guns on the western slope and half of the sheriffs are so fat I think you’d have to weigh them on livestock scales. I like driving in cities because the cops don’t have the time to pull you over for not wearing your seatbelt. I don’t think local representatives care much about this stuff either. Really all you can do is bitch on message boards. I got some good bad cop stories that contain phrases like, “Buck ain’t gonna be too happy to talk to you, he had to look at a dead body last night”, and " I can drive drunk, it’s ok, I’m a cop."

For what it’s worth-

JD430- you may like being a cop that much, but if being put in a position that most officers hate really sucks, you could always find another line of work or refuse to do traffic duty and let the consequences fall where they may.

I read an article about a study by a civil engineer that said traffic finds its own speed, regardless of the posted amount. The collective judgment of individual drivers seems to work pretty well in assessing the situation. It’s the outliers, so to speak, that creat the most danger. Idiot kids and left lane rolling roadblocks do the damage.
If the study is valid, it seems more than a bit ironic that we aren’t capable of driving safely, but are capable of voting for people to fine us for not driving the way they would like.

I think some other guy did a study finding that cops write tickets where they get the most revenue, not where the most accidents occur. So the local tyrants would rather use the police to collect more money than try to save lives-sadly not surprising.

Has their been any attempt anywhere to change speed limits to reflect better brakes, suspensions, and tires? Could not one assume that today’s average car can be driven at a higher safe speed than the land yachts of old?

Has MADD gone mad? I read another story about how they manipulate data and statistics to increase the reported amount of alcohol-related accidents, injuries, and deaths, even if there was no alcohol involved. They also want to kept lowering the legal-BAC levels, when studies show that it’s mostly drivers who are really hammered that cause the accidents, not the guy with a couple of beers in his belly.

So this is how democracy works at the state and local level- we vote in people to mis-manage resources and piss us off and cost us money. Brilliant beyond belief.

For introductory purposes, I work in a small town of about 25,000. I work at night with a shift of 5 to 6 men including supervisors. I have worked nights were there are only 3 officers out. We have a Bloods and Folks in this little town and a fair share of narcotics (who doesn’t). Now on to several replys…

To BrentM: You are correct…In fact, you might not get a ticket if you comply with the officers requests and answer all of his questions. But if you do…hey that’s what court is for.

To gordonshumway: Traffic is really easy to do. Violators are on public highways in public view with very little room to hide there actions. On the other hand, robberies and home invasions are committed by people who know they need to hide their actions Not every robbery or other felonious crime can be easily solved. We don’t like to see those crimes go unpunished, but sometimes there is nothing that you can do, ie…insufficent evidence, no witnesses, ect. Also, those crimes are dealt with by units that aren’t as visible as traffic cops.

To Pretzel Logic: Man, I hate bad cops, they give the rest of us (who still remember that we work for the citizens of our communities) a bad name. Even in my small town…I don’t have time to deal with seatbelt violaters. Also, it is our department that tells us not to write tickets under 15mph unless in a residential or school zone.

To schrauper: Well I can’t refuse to do traffic duty, but I do have “officer discretion” on how I work traffic. Anyway, I love my job and don’t want to do anything else. Where else could I kick in a door and take a crack dealer to jail, help a stranded motorist to get back on their way, break up a fight, and investigate a crime all in one day…small town law enforcement. Sure there are things I hate to do, I guess I should just shut up, suck it up and drive on.

Thanks for letting me ramble on about my profession. JTD72