France and Germany

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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RSU,

You might not realize this but Iraq was in fact a threat to our national interest! Furthermore, our troops found terrorists training camps with in the borders of Iraq.

If Bush had not gone into Iraq and Iraq had a more obvious hand in the next attack on our country, you and the other liberals would have been all over him for not moving fast enough.

Just type “I hate Bush” on your next several posts. At least then you would be showing your true feelings and not posting excuses for attacking him.

President Bush can do no right with you and your ilk. You are a hater…just admit it. Be honest!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
RSU,

You might not realize this but Iraq was in fact a threat to our national interest! Furthermore, our troops found terrorists training camps with in the borders of Iraq.[/quote]

I disagree, as does most everyone who’s read the many reports by many folks in the know who’ve reported time and time again that Iraq posed no real threat to us. In fact, the admin. itself often backs away from this, instead pointing to the merits of dethroning a brutal dictator…

First of all, we’ve had this conversation many a time…but what the hay…When Bush did go into Iraq, I thought, well, wait, what about the guys who did this terrible thing to us!!! I don’t know how I would have reacted if Iraq had attacked us…sorry, I just don’t know (I know you think I’m beating around the bush, but I don’t know).

[quote]Just type “I hate Bush” on your next several posts. At least then you would be showing your true feelings and not posting excuses for attacking him.

President Bush can do no right with you and your ilk. You are a hater…just admit it. Be honest!
[/quote]

Okay, “I hate Bush.”

Is anyone really surprised by this demonstration? Have I ever tried to hide my feelings for him, his admin. and their actions/views?

Sorry, ZEB, I don’t think you’ve made the point that I might have made by reversing the roles here. Consider if I typed: “Why don’t you just admit it, you love Bush no matter what.” If you admitted it, I’d be utterly shocked – mostly because your among the many who act objective but are really quite biased. I don’t think anyone is too surprised by my typing the aforementioned words!

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Hey RSU,

I will go along with your idea. Send the statue back to France.

Just to sweeten the deal, you agree to deliver it in person. Plus, since you seem to be such a great supporter of the French, you could just go ahead and relocate. Based on your previous comments, you would probably be happier there.

Here is the other catch, once the French get their statue back, we don’t ever have to listen to them piss and moan again. Plus, they agree that we don’t ever have to pull their ass out of the fire again.

Obviously, their opinion, and their whining doesn’t count for anything, but I don’t think we should even have to hear it.

About all we need to hear from the French is “thank you”.

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That’s great – 3 on the petition so far:

peartmath
Scott1010220
JeffR (aka, GI Joe)

Who’s next?

(let’s show these bastards who’s really boss 'round this globe!)

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rsu,

SEND IT BACK!!!

ADD ME TO THE LIST, WITH ENTHUSIASM!!!

We will build a bigger and better statue!!!

America fights for the freedom it represents!!!

I agree, hit the road RSU!!!

JeffR

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RSU:

Depending upon which news source that you listen to Iraq did allow terrorist training camps within it’s borders!

Next question: Do I love Bush? Yes and no. I originally wanted Steve Forbes for President and supported his efforts. I have stated that in a few previous posts. However, President Bush has done a decent job in the areas that concern me. Therefore, I support him over John “I’m for the war, no I’m against the war” Kerry.

As for your direct insult that I try to appear unbiased but in reality I am not: Please note one time that I wavered between Bush or Kerry! You can comb through my past posts if you like (I know you have a lot of time on your hands for some reason).

I have been a Bush supporter since he received the nomination (instead of Forbes).

And I cannot let this opportunity go without telling you once again: When you get a little older, say 10 more years or so, you will be voting more conservative. You really need to get away from those liberal profs. of yours. This is not an insult, just an observation. I have never known any college kid that did not get somewhat more conservative in his political thinking as he matured.

The liberal pabulum that is fed to kids by professors in most Universities across the nation does a disservice to the institutions that they serve.

Again not trying to insult you. I think you are a bright guy, just misguided somewhat.

Best to you,

Zeb

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
RSU:

As for your direct insult that I try to appear unbiased but in reality I am not: Please note one time that I wavered between Bush or Kerry! You can comb through my past posts if you like (I know you have a lot of time on your hands for some reason).[/quote]

I wouldn’t necessarily call it an insult. An insult would be if I could stupid of the worst sort because you don’t know that you’re stupid, but I wouldn’t do that (note: last sentence produced simply to get under ZEB’s skin…an exchange between he and I wouldn’t be natural if it lacked such remarks!).
What I did was reverse the question you posed toward me. You said something like, “Why don’t you just admit it, you hate Bush.” So I, in my infinte creativity, reversed it by asking “Why don’t you just admit it, you love Bush.”
I don’t think there exists a time that you wavered between Bush and Kerry, nor did I claim there ever was one. So, I’m unsure where the misunderstanding came from in this regard.

[quote]And I cannot let this opportunity go without telling you once again: When you get a little older, say 10 more years or so, you will be voting more conservative. You really need to get away from those liberal profs. of yours. This is not an insult, just an observation. I have never known any college kid that did not get somewhat more conservative in his political thinking as he matured.

The liberal pabulum that is fed to kids by professors in most Universities across the nation does a disservice to the institutions that they serve.

Again not trying to insult you. I think you are a bright guy, just misguided somewhat.

Best to you,

Zeb[/quote]

Again, an exchange between ZEB and I wouldn’t be natural if it lacked a jab from him regarding how naive my age necessarily makes me. Somehow, 24, is too young for him and multiple degrees is only evidence that I’ve been “poisened” by the liberal minds of professors everywhere!

As we’ve both echoed before, you think that I’m misguided and I think that you are shamelessly ignorant. And so it goes.

BTW, for the record:
ZEB: registered 9.10.2003 – 1831 posts (including 16 posts on 8.13.04)
Right Side Up: registered 2.3.2003 --776 posts

And I have so much time on my hands? We’ve had this conversation before too…forgetful Jones (age factor? J/K)…you said that your schedule/work allows you to “check in” when you want and post throughout the day…that’s fine, you post-aholic, I don’t mess with you about it, why try to turn the false tides against me? LOL…you’re silly, ZEB.

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I’d like to ammend on of my previous posts, without simply ‘editing’ it…I take back my “I hate Bush” statement. My mother taught me that hate is a strong word and I agree with her until now. Bush is not someone I “hate,” but I certainly dislike him to a very strong degree!

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RSU,

You misunderstand at least part of my statement. I don’t think that the age of 24 is “to young” to have political beliefs. It’s a great age to begin voicing your political opinions

If you had worked full time for the past 6 years and had paid the tax man half of everything that you made then I think you would look at things a bit differently (that is my only point). You have not yet had that experience. When you do, you won’t like it. You will think it inherently unfair and will vote against anyone who wants to continue it. Especially if you make a good deal of money, as I expect that you will!

Oh…I know your liberal professors will tell you that it’s part of living in America, but trust me you won’t like it. In fact, the further you get away from the ivory tower crowd the more silly they will look to you. Know how I know? Because you are a smart guy! To smart to like the federal and state government picking your pocket to the tune of 50%! You will think “hey I earned more than this, where is the rest of it?”

Oh…and I congratulate you on your “multiple degrees.” Education is a fine thing. I too am a college graduate and look back fondly on my days walking across the college campus thinking profound thoughts. Looking down my nose at those barbaric republicans.

Then something not so magical occurred. I graduated, got a job and realized that providing income to people who would not work (not who could not work) was something I didn’t like very much. Then I started a business and liked the oppressive tax system even less. You will also realize that the federal government spends money like a drunken sailor. the difference is at least the drunken sailor is spending his own money! (Don’t thank me for that one. It is a direct quote from Ronald Reagen).

As I have stated in the past, you are a bright kid. And eventually, probably sooner rather than later you too will figure out that the democrats have it wrong on taxes (and most other things as well incidentlly).

Until that day has dawned you can just keep thinking that Ronald Reagen was stupid, George Bush is an idiot (whom you dislike very much), it’s a good idea to reward people for not working…Oh and that the nuclear freeze proposed by your group a few years back was a good idea. (so many harmful liberal policys it was hard to draw the line here, but I had to).

(I do like this guy…this RSU fellow :slight_smile:

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Why? because during Desert Storm my friend said he liberated a house and found a matress frame, and soldered to that was a French made battery that was used to “interrogate” people. Those slimy fucks just don’t understand the concept of working together we have helped and given to them on so many occasions, and yet they are continually rude to tourists(who spend money on their shit), and that’s why

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The world is a better place without the Germans going around proving that they can fight. Watch the history channel and ye shall see.

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[quote]superpimp wrote:
Why? because during Desert Storm my friend said he liberated a house and found a matress frame, and soldered to that was a French made battery that was used to “interrogate” people. Those slimy fucks just don’t understand the concept of working together we have helped and given to them on so many occasions, and yet they are continually rude to tourists(who spend money on their shit), and that’s why[/quote]

Wow. On the long list of really fucking stupid things I’ve read on this forum, this went way to the top, and is without a doubt the fucking stupidest by far.

So if that had been a Die-Hard then Sears would be “slimy fucks”?

No, I guess not, according to your logic. Since it isn’t the French company that manufactured and sold the battery, or whoever imported it into Iraq, or the retailer who sold it who are the “slimy fucks” here, it is “France” or the French people. So by your example then if it had been a Die-Hard battery all of us in America would be “slimy fucks”.

And if the car they drove had Goodyear tires on it, we’d all be “slimy fucks” too, right?

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Heh.

Cartoon here:

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/OldWarNewWar-X.gif

Post on subject below:

But What About My Job, Mr. Warmonger, Sir??

(By Ray D.)

The staff of ver.di, Germany?s largest service-sector union and the largest independent, individual trade union in the world, is worried. Its leaders now realize that there won?t be enough warmongers around to adequately support members? Socialist way-of-life. They rightfully ?fear? that the planned withdrawal of tens of thousands of US military personnel and their dependents from Germany will result in thousands of lost union jobs, particularly in areas surrounding affected bases and installations.

?But?warmongers?? You ask. Well sure, that is exactly how ver.di?s chairman, union kingpin Frank Bsirske, described the American government and military just last year. And that wasn?t all Mr. Bsirske had to say on behalf of the union and its members about the United States. Here are some quotes from recent public speeches he made:

?What it (the US government) puts in place of the UN order is an order which follows its imperial gusto and understanding of its own interests.?

?That connects itself to a concept of hegemony, that, with Iraq in mind, is also clearly motivated by the favoring of an economic development that dramatically increases energy use and raises demand for oil in a sustained way. Access to the oil sources is to be politically and militarily secured.

That aims towards a war with a government, and this will likely not be the last, that one once supported, financed and armed.?

?On Day X as many people as possible should take to the streets and show that they are against the war in Iraq. We call upon all members to take part in the actions.?

?Let us set our protest against the warmongers, the protest of millions of people in the entire world, our dedication and our strength, the strength of the international peace movement!? (emphasis ours)

Given Mr. Bsirske?s strident opposition to the Iraq war, the Bush administration and the US military, one would have thought that he and his union would have been overjoyed at the prospect of thousands of ?imperial hegemons? withdrawing from Germany. In fact, the opposite is true.

This apparent contradiction highlights the fact that there is indeed something more important to Germany?s leftist dominated unions than exploiting anti-American sentiment for political gain. That something is ensuring that union members be able to suck at the teat of the Socialist welfare state into the indefinite future. And if that means accepting money and jobs from members of the US military, people the unions have repeatedly derided and demonized as warmongers from a heartless capitalist society, well, then Frank Bsirske and ver.di are entirely prepared to do just that.

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Another good one BB!

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Who else is game for sending the Statue of Liberty back to France? C’mon guys…what kind of patriots are you!!!

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RSU,

I’ve already begged you to put me on the list.

Might I make a suggestion?

Watch the reponses come rolling in if you offer to escort the statue to Paris on a permanent basis.

Just thought I would help out!!!

JeffR

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JeffR…you are already the third name on this revolutionary list…Thanks for you suggestion, but I will - for now - gracefully pass.