Forcing Catholics to Support Birth Control?

[quote]silee wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
White House to Announce Contraception Rule ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-announce-accommodation-religious-organizations-contraception-rule-120516299--abc-news.html

Freedom![/quote]

This is my take on this notion of freedom. I don’t know your position but if its that you think the government is forcing Catholics then I think that is mistaken.
Seems to me there is only 2 positions

  1. listen to the catholic church and make it harder to get birth control
    or
  2. make birth control available through health care coverage.

If you make bc more available it doesn’t follow that all catholics have to take it, they would have a choice.

If you limit bc then those who want it have less freedom to use it.

Give this set up, its not the government that is limiting freedom, rather its the catholic church that is. [/quote]

You just defined the communistic ideal of “freedom”.

Here in the US we are guaranteed only negative rights. The catholic church isn’t preventing anyone from getting it, they just refuse to pay for it. Negative rights only mean that people can do things to you. Not doing something to you (not paying for your birth control) is depriving you of no rights.

By your logic, the catholic church doesn’t provide prostitutes for it’s members, so it’s making people who want to buy sex less free. And further that a law forcing the church to buy prostitutes for members would make people more free.

You have absolutely no idea what freedom is. Freedom is the right to self determination, both good and bad. Freedom means you are free from someone else determining your life but also subject to the consequences of those choices.

[quote]silee wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
White House to Announce Contraception Rule ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-announce-accommodation-religious-organizations-contraception-rule-120516299--abc-news.html

Freedom![/quote]

This is my take on this notion of freedom. I don’t know your position but if its that you think the government is forcing Catholics then I think that is mistaken.
Seems to me there is only 2 positions

  1. listen to the catholic church and make it harder to get birth control
    or
  2. make birth control available through health care coverage.

If you make bc more available it doesn’t follow that all catholics have to take it, they would have a choice.

If you limit bc then those who want it have less freedom to use it.

Give this set up, its not the government that is limiting freedom, rather its the catholic church that is. [/quote]

You’re missing the point. It’s about forcing the church or any institution to pay for things they stand against. To provide women with a choice means the church has to pay for something it teaches against.
It’s not about who likes or uses birth control, it’s about the government telling the church it has to pay for things or services it’s against.

I have used the analogy before, but it’s like trying to make PETA pay a stipend to the NRA because the NRA helps keep the deer population in check.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
White House to Announce Contraception Rule ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-announce-accommodation-religious-organizations-contraception-rule-120516299--abc-news.html

Freedom![/quote]

But look at the effort it took from the very highest levels of the Catholic church in addition to support at the grass roots level. And of course this is an election year. Can any of us imagine the amount of tyranny if Obama gets a second term? With out the electorate to answer to Obama will be unbearable![/quote]

However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

Nonsense my friend. The only reason Obama reversed direction was because he’s up for reelection in a few months. What are you going to do about these intrusive mandates when he has only four more years?

NOTHING!

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

Oh I AM stalking…
[/quote]

One more thing…Correct yourself, and quickly. I’m not a subject to be poked and prodded, manipulated, into one of your come-to-Calvin-sessions. Find yourself an easier target. You’re like one of the Jehovah’s on my doorstep.

Though, while at times a bit pushy, at least they can get the damn hint in short order. And, are about 20x as polite and civil in their approach. Move on. “Stalk” me, and you’ll go on ignore faster than you can say “spirtually-dead, Babylonian who…”

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
White House to Announce Contraception Rule ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-announce-accommodation-religious-organizations-contraception-rule-120516299--abc-news.html

Freedom![/quote]

But look at the effort it took from the very highest levels of the Catholic church in addition to support at the grass roots level. And of course this is an election year. Can any of us imagine the amount of tyranny if Obama gets a second term? With out the electorate to answer to Obama will be unbearable![/quote]

However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

Nonsense my friend. The only reason Obama reversed direction was because he’s up for reelection in a few months. What are you going to do about these intrusive mandates when he has only four more years?

NOTHING![/quote]

You didn’t see my post prior to this one, huh? I said the very same thing.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
White House to Announce Contraception Rule ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-announce-accommodation-religious-organizations-contraception-rule-120516299--abc-news.html

Freedom![/quote]

But look at the effort it took from the very highest levels of the Catholic church in addition to support at the grass roots level. And of course this is an election year. Can any of us imagine the amount of tyranny if Obama gets a second term? With out the electorate to answer to Obama will be unbearable![/quote]

However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

Nonsense my friend. The only reason Obama reversed direction was because he’s up for reelection in a few months. What are you going to do about these intrusive mandates when he has only four more years?

NOTHING![/quote]

You didn’t see my post prior to this one, huh? I said the very same thing.[/quote]

No, sorry I just read this: [quote]However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

That’s what I get for not reading all of your wise words.

:slight_smile:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
White House to Announce Contraception Rule ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-announce-accommodation-religious-organizations-contraception-rule-120516299--abc-news.html

Freedom![/quote]

But look at the effort it took from the very highest levels of the Catholic church in addition to support at the grass roots level. And of course this is an election year. Can any of us imagine the amount of tyranny if Obama gets a second term? With out the electorate to answer to Obama will be unbearable![/quote]

However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

Nonsense my friend. The only reason Obama reversed direction was because he’s up for reelection in a few months. What are you going to do about these intrusive mandates when he has only four more years?

NOTHING![/quote]

You didn’t see my post prior to this one, huh? I said the very same thing.[/quote]

No, sorry I just read this: [quote]However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

That’s what I get for not reading all of your wise words.

:)[/quote]

People are going to have some seriously sore corn holes after the rest of the ass fucking known as obamacare hits.

[quote]therajraj wrote:
How do hospitals with ties to Catholic churches work exactly?

Are they solely funded by donations? Is there just a place to pray within the hospital? [/quote]

I am not sure exactly , I do believe it to be nonprofit . I have a procedure that priced for thousands of dollars done at a Catholic Hospital for $300 dollars .

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
White House to Announce Contraception Rule ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-announce-accommodation-religious-organizations-contraception-rule-120516299--abc-news.html

Freedom![/quote]

But look at the effort it took from the very highest levels of the Catholic church in addition to support at the grass roots level. And of course this is an election year. Can any of us imagine the amount of tyranny if Obama gets a second term? With out the electorate to answer to Obama will be unbearable![/quote]

However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

Nonsense my friend. The only reason Obama reversed direction was because he’s up for reelection in a few months. What are you going to do about these intrusive mandates when he has only four more years?

NOTHING![/quote]

You didn’t see my post prior to this one, huh? I said the very same thing.[/quote]

No, sorry I just read this: [quote]However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

That’s what I get for not reading all of your wise words.

:)[/quote]

People are going to have some seriously sore corn holes after the rest of the ass fucking known as obamacare hits. [/quote]

It could be the Republicans if it goes well

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

It could be the Republicans if it goes well[/quote]

Just the first bits of it sent my premium up 25% (with a drop in benefits), I can’t wait to see how wonderful the rest of it will be.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
How do hospitals with ties to Catholic churches work exactly?

Are they solely funded by donations? Is there just a place to pray within the hospital? [/quote]

I am not sure exactly , I do believe it to be nonprofit . I have a procedure that priced for thousands of dollars done at a Catholic Hospital for $300 dollars . [/quote]

Did you have an abortion?

[quote]Sloth wrote:<<< Go sell it somewhere else Tirib. I don’t argue with the sandwich board wearing types. Which is EXACTLY what’ve you become in the past few months on this forum. It’s old and tired. <<<>>> One more thing…Correct yourself, and quickly. I’m not a subject to be poked and prodded, manipulated, into one of your come-to-Calvin-sessions. Find yourself an easier target. You’re like one of the Jehovah’s on my doorstep.

Though, while at times a bit pushy, at least they can get the damn hint in short order. And, are about 20x as polite and civil in their approach. Move on. “Stalk” me, and you’ll go on ignore faster than you can say “spirtually-dead, Babylonian who…”
[/quote]You take me far too literally. And what is it with you and ignore lately. I would never put absolutely anybody on ignore. Far too much to miss. I’m gonna hang on to this for a day or two. PLEASE Read that PM. Please?

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
White House to Announce Contraception Rule ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-announce-accommodation-religious-organizations-contraception-rule-120516299--abc-news.html

Freedom![/quote]

But look at the effort it took from the very highest levels of the Catholic church in addition to support at the grass roots level. And of course this is an election year. Can any of us imagine the amount of tyranny if Obama gets a second term? With out the electorate to answer to Obama will be unbearable![/quote]

However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

But nothing was changed, and things were made, if it is possible, worse. Now, even Catholic parishes and dioceses, which fit into the absurdly narrow definition of religious institution by virtue of the HHS mandate, will have to provide all women with contraceptive and abortofacient drugs. Look at what NARAL, and Emilyslist, and PP and the like are claiming: now EVERY woman, no matter where she works has access to these services.

Obama used a cheap accounting trick: he said the insurance companies would cover the services not the religious institution. How are the insurance companies going to cover them? By charging their customers higher premiums. And what of insurance companies that are Catholic or Christian based, that refuse to offer such coverages? Now, as a result of this HHS mandate, they are being forced to.

This is not about contraception or abortion but religious freedom.

[quote]defenderofTruth wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
White House to Announce Contraception Rule ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-announce-accommodation-religious-organizations-contraception-rule-120516299--abc-news.html

Freedom![/quote]

But look at the effort it took from the very highest levels of the Catholic church in addition to support at the grass roots level. And of course this is an election year. Can any of us imagine the amount of tyranny if Obama gets a second term? With out the electorate to answer to Obama will be unbearable![/quote]

However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

But nothing was changed, and things were made, if it is possible, worse. Now, even Catholic parishes and dioceses, which fit into the absurdly narrow definition of religious institution by virtue of the HHS mandate, will have to provide all women with contraceptive and abortofacient drugs. Look at what NARAL, and Emilyslist, and PP and the like are claiming: now EVERY woman, no matter where she works has access to these services.

Obama used a cheap accounting trick: he said the insurance companies would cover the services not the religious institution. How are the insurance companies going to cover them? By charging their customers higher premiums. And what of insurance companies that are Catholic or Christian based, that refuse to offer such coverages? Now, as a result of this HHS mandate, they are being forced to.

This is not about contraception or abortion but religious freedom.
[/quote]

Oh my Goddess, now ALL women have control over their OWN bodies and whether they want to get pregnant or not. What is the world coming to? It’s the End of Days, the beginning of the Apocalypse! How dare women get to decide if they want to get pregnant and when.

So much for “winning”, huh?

[quote]defenderofTruth wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
White House to Announce Contraception Rule ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-announce-accommodation-religious-organizations-contraception-rule-120516299--abc-news.html

Freedom![/quote]

But look at the effort it took from the very highest levels of the Catholic church in addition to support at the grass roots level. And of course this is an election year. Can any of us imagine the amount of tyranny if Obama gets a second term? With out the electorate to answer to Obama will be unbearable![/quote]

However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

But nothing was changed, and things were made, if it is possible, worse. Now, even Catholic parishes and dioceses, which fit into the absurdly narrow definition of religious institution by virtue of the HHS mandate, will have to provide all women with contraceptive and abortofacient drugs. Look at what NARAL, and Emilyslist, and PP and the like are claiming: now EVERY woman, no matter where she works has access to these services.

Obama used a cheap accounting trick: he said the insurance companies would cover the services not the religious institution. How are the insurance companies going to cover them? By charging their customers higher premiums. And what of insurance companies that are Catholic or Christian based, that refuse to offer such coverages? Now, as a result of this HHS mandate, they are being forced to.

This is not about contraception or abortion but religious freedom.
[/quote]

Yes, I read about this ‘accommodation.’ I’m still trying to figure if Obama is a moron, or if he hoped everyone else was. No worries, he won’t win.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]defenderofTruth wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
White House to Announce Contraception Rule ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-announce-accommodation-religious-organizations-contraception-rule-120516299--abc-news.html

Freedom![/quote]

But look at the effort it took from the very highest levels of the Catholic church in addition to support at the grass roots level. And of course this is an election year. Can any of us imagine the amount of tyranny if Obama gets a second term? With out the electorate to answer to Obama will be unbearable![/quote]

However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

But nothing was changed, and things were made, if it is possible, worse. Now, even Catholic parishes and dioceses, which fit into the absurdly narrow definition of religious institution by virtue of the HHS mandate, will have to provide all women with contraceptive and abortofacient drugs. Look at what NARAL, and Emilyslist, and PP and the like are claiming: now EVERY woman, no matter where she works has access to these services.

Obama used a cheap accounting trick: he said the insurance companies would cover the services not the religious institution. How are the insurance companies going to cover them? By charging their customers higher premiums. And what of insurance companies that are Catholic or Christian based, that refuse to offer such coverages? Now, as a result of this HHS mandate, they are being forced to.

This is not about contraception or abortion but religious freedom.
[/quote]

Yes, I read about this ‘accommodation.’ I’m still trying to figure if Obama is a moron, or if he hoped everyone else was. No worries, he won’t win.
[/quote]

Wow, where do you get that kind of confidence?

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]defenderofTruth wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
White House to Announce Contraception Rule ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-announce-accommodation-religious-organizations-contraception-rule-120516299--abc-news.html

Freedom![/quote]

But look at the effort it took from the very highest levels of the Catholic church in addition to support at the grass roots level. And of course this is an election year. Can any of us imagine the amount of tyranny if Obama gets a second term? With out the electorate to answer to Obama will be unbearable![/quote]

However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

But nothing was changed, and things were made, if it is possible, worse. Now, even Catholic parishes and dioceses, which fit into the absurdly narrow definition of religious institution by virtue of the HHS mandate, will have to provide all women with contraceptive and abortofacient drugs. Look at what NARAL, and Emilyslist, and PP and the like are claiming: now EVERY woman, no matter where she works has access to these services.

Obama used a cheap accounting trick: he said the insurance companies would cover the services not the religious institution. How are the insurance companies going to cover them? By charging their customers higher premiums. And what of insurance companies that are Catholic or Christian based, that refuse to offer such coverages? Now, as a result of this HHS mandate, they are being forced to.

This is not about contraception or abortion but religious freedom.
[/quote]

Yes, I read about this ‘accommodation.’ I’m still trying to figure if Obama is a moron, or if he hoped everyone else was. No worries, he won’t win.
[/quote]

Wow, where do you get that kind of confidence?[/quote]

He’s fighting exactly the wrong fight. He can’t win this one.

[quote]therajraj wrote:
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/09/4251671/catholic-students-for-womens-health.html

Catholic Students for Women’s Health Supports Birth Control Coverage
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By Catholic Students for Women’s Health
Published: Thursday, Feb. 9, 2012 - 10:46 am
WASHINGTON, Feb. 9, 2012 –

Coalition of students from Catholic universities and local DC campuses applaud HHS regulations providing birth control without co-pay, tell Bishops to “back off”

WASHINGTON, Feb. 9, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ – “We are here today speaking out for millions of students across the country that applaud the Obama administration’s regulations and demand our right to exercise our individual religious freedoms by making personal medical decisions without interference from religious authorities,” says Callie Otto, Co-Founder of the Catholic University Students for Choice, at today’s Catholic Students for Women’s Health press conference in Washington, DC.

Students from Catholic universities are joined today by their colleagues from other local campuses in support of the regulations recently proposed by the Department of Health and Human Services requiring birth control coverage without co-pays or deductible and responding to the subsequent outcry from the US Conference of Catholic Bishops.

“We will not back down because we believe that the religious freedom of individual Catholics and students, no matter what their faith, and the need for comprehensive women’s healthcare must take priority to the demands of the Catholic Bishops,” Otto continued.

“Access to birth control is a matter of health and human rights,” said Tea Sefer, board member of American University Students for Choice. “We all need to acknowledge these basic facts. Women deserve to make decisions for themselves, without anyone else, Catholic Bishop or not, restricting their access to family planning tools.”

According to Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice member Sandra Fluke, “In the worst cases, women who needed this medication for other medical reasons have suffered dire consequences. Just one example of many is a friend of mine. Her inability to access these prescriptions caused the loss of her ovary. These burdens are not shared by our male student colleagues.”

“Most women use contraception at some point in their life, including 98% of Catholic women[1],” says Keely Monroe, Fordham University alumnus. “Judging by the fact that only 10% of US Catholics believe that church leaders have the final say about contraception[2], I think we can all agree that a woman’s own conscience matters the most in matters relating to her health and life.”

[1] National Survey of Family Growth/Centers for Disease Control, cited in R.K. Jones and J. Dreweke, “Countering Conventional Wisdom: New Evidence on Religion and Contraceptive Use,” Guttmacher Institute, April 2011.

[2] National Catholic Reporter, “Right and Wrong: Who Has the Final Say?” October 24, 2011

SOURCE Catholic Students for Women’s Health[/quote]

The term “Catholic” refers to a specific set of beliefs and ideals. These belief and ideals are set forth in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC). While exhaustive, there are certain things that all Catholics must do and believe as rules of Faith. There are the Precepts of the Church (CCC 2042-2043), which all Catholics are obligated to adhere to, as well as all infallible doctrines, which all the Faithful are obligated to, at the least, obey. Part of being Catholic, in the truest sense of the word, includes adherence to the authority of the Magesterium (the bishops in union with the Pope), Tradition (the body of doctrine passed down from the Apostles), and Sacred Scripture. An individual cannot simply call themselves Catholic because their family was Catholic, or they were baptized Catholic, or attend Mass occasionally…this is by definition. Likewise, a group cannot call themselves Catholic when their members reject infallibly defined matters of faith and/morals (i.e. contraception, abortion, and women-priests).

(NOTE: there are differences in teachings. For example, the Catechism states that the state has the right to execute criminals–within certain boundaries–but that right should be rarely exercised. Seeing as this is a matter of prudence, a Catholic can, in good conscience, disagree with that. A Catholic can’t, in good conscience, disagree with the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception or that abortion is always gravely evil.)

This means two things:

  1. the sources cited above are suspect. For one, “Catholic Students for Women’s Health”, by supporting contraception, abortion, and abortofacient drugs, is not Catholic, by definition. For another, neither is the National Catholic Reporter, which has been condemned as heretical by the diocesan bishop in whose diocese its headquarters resides. Further, the group “Catholics for Choice” is not Catholic, rather anti-Catholic…and funded by the anti-Catholic George Soros.

  2. the “98% of Catholic women” figure cited in the source is obviously wrong. For one, about 50% of Catholic women are of not of child-bearing years, and have no need for contraception. For another, not all Catholic women who are of child-bearing age are sexually active, and have no need for contraception (this includes members of religious orders, and women who are choosing abstinence until marriage, which is apparently increasing among all Christian denominations). So, we are left with Catholic women who are of child-bearing age, and who are sexually active. We must, using the guidelines of the descriptive word “Catholic” whittle away at those self-professed Catholic women of childbearing age who are sexually active who attend Mass every week and every Holy Day of Obligation, who confess their sins at the least annually, who receive Holy Communion during Eastertide, and who give time, talent and treasure to the Church, and of that group, find out who is currently using contraception (the Guttmacher Institute–the research arm of Planned Parenthood–has, in the past, included in their numbers of women who use contraception women who at one time used it, but no longer do). It is no surprise that the supporters of Obama’s mandate have used this false 98% statistic. It has been trumpeted by Planned Parenthood and its allies for years in an attempt to sway Catholics into violating their Faith because “everyone is doing it.”

I did not read the whole thread , I do know however these policies have been in place a long time . I do know this is how the Republicans tell you of the evils of the Obama Admin:)

[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]defenderofTruth wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
White House to Announce Contraception Rule ‘Accommodation’ for Religious Organizations
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-announce-accommodation-religious-organizations-contraception-rule-120516299--abc-news.html

Freedom![/quote]

But look at the effort it took from the very highest levels of the Catholic church in addition to support at the grass roots level. And of course this is an election year. Can any of us imagine the amount of tyranny if Obama gets a second term? With out the electorate to answer to Obama will be unbearable![/quote]

However, look how fast we got it changed… Less than 2 weeks. When we pull together, it’s hard to stop us…[/quote]

But nothing was changed, and things were made, if it is possible, worse. Now, even Catholic parishes and dioceses, which fit into the absurdly narrow definition of religious institution by virtue of the HHS mandate, will have to provide all women with contraceptive and abortofacient drugs. Look at what NARAL, and Emilyslist, and PP and the like are claiming: now EVERY woman, no matter where she works has access to these services.

Obama used a cheap accounting trick: he said the insurance companies would cover the services not the religious institution. How are the insurance companies going to cover them? By charging their customers higher premiums. And what of insurance companies that are Catholic or Christian based, that refuse to offer such coverages? Now, as a result of this HHS mandate, they are being forced to.

This is not about contraception or abortion but religious freedom.
[/quote]

Oh my Goddess, now ALL women have control over their OWN bodies and whether they want to get pregnant or not. What is the world coming to? It’s the End of Days, the beginning of the Apocalypse! How dare women get to decide if they want to get pregnant and when.

So much for “winning”, huh?[/quote]

You’re joking, right? “now ALL women have control over their OWN bodies and whether they want to get pregnant or not”? All women had that choice the moment they could think for themselves. Its simple, really: SEX = BABY; NO SEX = NO BABY. Besides that, the Pill and condoms aren’t exactly expensive. Further, if you value you’re contraception that much, don’t work for the Catholic Church. How hard is that?

Besides, this issue is NOT about contraception, women’s health, abortion, sterilization, or the like. Read what was italicized "no matter where they work. It is about RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. Part of the First Amendment includes the freedom of individuals to practice their religion. This includes refraining from practices that they, for religious reasons, find morally offensive. Bishops, priests, religious orders, dioceses, parishes, Catholic hospitals, Catholic charities, Catholic Schools, etc, are populated with individuals who agree with the Catholic dogmas that condemn contraception, sterilization, and abortion. This mandate forces them to violate their religious beliefs. In doing so, it hinders their right to freely practice their religion.