The new Irish PM:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I like how the guy in the video starts off with “Don’t you want to be in the 1%?”
It doesn’t matter who wants to be in the 1%. It doesn’t matter that any one person would like to benefit from a dysfunctional system - it’s still dysfunctional. [/quote]
What’s you solution?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I know property is held by force, so is your life,
Hence the role of the government to preserve those rights. [/quote]
So help us out here educated guy…life is the same as property?[/quote]
Life IS a property right. [/quote]
This is a premise of some classical liberal thought. I don’t agree with your premise. There is no proof that life is property its just an assertion that you are making to base some arguments on.
And to be more specific the founding fathers didn’t even have full agreement on property rights. Adams took views much like Harrington. Jefferson was more like Locke.[/quote]
This is not just a premise for an argument, this is a rather fundamental question.
If there is such a thing as property you belong to yourself or someone else.
Which means that you are either free, or the slave of some ominous (democratic ?) collective.
You do not like the question because the obvious answer that would be given by roughly 95 % of the people blows a lot of your ideas out of the water.
That some things follow if you belong to yourself is true, but the irreconcilable problems of denying self ownership are just a tad worse than having to refrain from exploiting someone by putting a gun to his head.
Even if that gun is held by the IRS.
But hey, you could start by elaborating why people who do not even own themselves, i.e., do not even have the right to make decisions for themselves somehow have the right to tell other people what to do, via the mysteries of “voting”.
Unless of course they all come together in a mystical moment and form “the people”, which is a magical creature that transcends the will of the actual people it is made of and rule from up high.
You should read Rosseau, you might like him. Or maybe you wouldnt, maybe your ideas do not look that appealing if they are laid out clearly, anyway, should be instructive. [/quote]
I would say that you are your life. Identical. No one can own your life. Some one can end it but they haven’t taken it like property because once taken its gone.
Clearly people have long believed you can sell your body or someone else can take your body and sell it I don’t think the morality of this is a property right though.
Its twisting the meaning of the word own to use it to say you own your life.
No system is going to be perfect. Much of libertarian thought depends on everyone being a rational actor with perfect information and there being no randomness. All of these things seem far fetched.
And to be frank no one will ever convince me that praxeology is anything other that a bunch of happy horseshit.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I know property is held by force, so is your life,
Hence the role of the government to preserve those rights. [/quote]
So help us out here educated guy…life is the same as property?[/quote]
Life IS a property right. [/quote]
This is a premise of some classical liberal thought. I don’t agree with your premise. There is no proof that life is property its just an assertion that you are making to base some arguments on.
And to be more specific the founding fathers didn’t even have full agreement on property rights. Adams took views much like Harrington. Jefferson was more like Locke.[/quote]
This is not just a premise for an argument, this is a rather fundamental question.
If there is such a thing as property you belong to yourself or someone else.
Which means that you are either free, or the slave of some ominous (democratic ?) collective.
You do not like the question because the obvious answer that would be given by roughly 95 % of the people blows a lot of your ideas out of the water.
That some things follow if you belong to yourself is true, but the irreconcilable problems of denying self ownership are just a tad worse than having to refrain from exploiting someone by putting a gun to his head.
Even if that gun is held by the IRS.
But hey, you could start by elaborating why people who do not even own themselves, i.e., do not even have the right to make decisions for themselves somehow have the right to tell other people what to do, via the mysteries of “voting”.
Unless of course they all come together in a mystical moment and form “the people”, which is a magical creature that transcends the will of the actual people it is made of and rule from up high.
You should read Rosseau, you might like him. Or maybe you wouldnt, maybe your ideas do not look that appealing if they are laid out clearly, anyway, should be instructive. [/quote]
I would say that you are your life. Identical. No one can own your life. Some one can end it but they haven’t taken it like property because once taken its gone.
Clearly people have long believed you can sell your body or someone else can take your body and sell it I don’t think the morality of this is a property right though.
Its twisting the meaning of the word own to use it to say you own your life.
No system is going to be perfect. Much of libertarian thought depends on everyone being a rational actor with perfect information and there being no randomness. All of these things seem far fetched.
And to be frank no one will ever convince me that praxeology is anything other that a bunch of happy horseshit.
[/quote]
Tsk, tsk, tsk…
Here we are, in a society shaped by property rights, which does raise the question, who owns you?
Also, Human Action, or rather Nationaloekonomie, starts with a rather long passage regarding the way one should approach economic. That gave me a WTF!?! feeling for a long time too, but, if properly understood, it kind of makes sense to start this whole oeuvre with an epistemological treatise.
So, first you try to understand what he is actually trying to tell in in his first few chapters, then you can still dismiss him.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I know property is held by force, so is your life,
Hence the role of the government to preserve those rights. [/quote]
So help us out here educated guy…life is the same as property?[/quote]
Life IS a property right. [/quote]
This is a premise of some classical liberal thought. I don’t agree with your premise. There is no proof that life is property its just an assertion that you are making to base some arguments on.
And to be more specific the founding fathers didn’t even have full agreement on property rights. Adams took views much like Harrington. Jefferson was more like Locke.[/quote]
This is not just a premise for an argument, this is a rather fundamental question.
If there is such a thing as property you belong to yourself or someone else.
Which means that you are either free, or the slave of some ominous (democratic ?) collective.
You do not like the question because the obvious answer that would be given by roughly 95 % of the people blows a lot of your ideas out of the water.
That some things follow if you belong to yourself is true, but the irreconcilable problems of denying self ownership are just a tad worse than having to refrain from exploiting someone by putting a gun to his head.
Even if that gun is held by the IRS.
But hey, you could start by elaborating why people who do not even own themselves, i.e., do not even have the right to make decisions for themselves somehow have the right to tell other people what to do, via the mysteries of “voting”.
Unless of course they all come together in a mystical moment and form “the people”, which is a magical creature that transcends the will of the actual people it is made of and rule from up high.
You should read Rosseau, you might like him. Or maybe you wouldnt, maybe your ideas do not look that appealing if they are laid out clearly, anyway, should be instructive. [/quote]
I would say that you are your life. Identical. No one can own your life. Some one can end it but they haven’t taken it like property because once taken its gone.
Clearly people have long believed you can sell your body or someone else can take your body and sell it I don’t think the morality of this is a property right though.
Its twisting the meaning of the word own to use it to say you own your life.
No system is going to be perfect. Much of libertarian thought depends on everyone being a rational actor with perfect information and there being no randomness. All of these things seem far fetched.
And to be frank no one will ever convince me that praxeology is anything other that a bunch of happy horseshit.
[/quote]
Tsk, tsk, tsk…
Here we are, in a society shaped by property rights, which does raise the question, who owns you?
Also, Human Action, or rather Nationaloekonomie, starts with a rather long passage regarding the way one should approach economic. That gave me a WTF!?! feeling for a long time too, but, if properly understood, it kind of makes sense to start this whole oeuvre with an epistemological treatise.
So, first you try to understand what he is actually trying to tell in in his first few chapters, then you can still dismiss him. [/quote]
Life isn’t property. Feel free to view it that way.
Human Action may very well be the worst econ book ever written. Come on now all human action is rational because there was a reason for it. 
Hooboy.
At the very least any real world examples you ever give mean nothing if you are a follower of his method.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I know property is held by force, so is your life,
Hence the role of the government to preserve those rights. [/quote]
So help us out here educated guy…life is the same as property?[/quote]
Life IS a property right. [/quote]
This is a premise of some classical liberal thought. I don’t agree with your premise. There is no proof that life is property its just an assertion that you are making to base some arguments on.
And to be more specific the founding fathers didn’t even have full agreement on property rights. Adams took views much like Harrington. Jefferson was more like Locke.[/quote]
This is not just a premise for an argument, this is a rather fundamental question.
If there is such a thing as property you belong to yourself or someone else.
Which means that you are either free, or the slave of some ominous (democratic ?) collective.
You do not like the question because the obvious answer that would be given by roughly 95 % of the people blows a lot of your ideas out of the water.
That some things follow if you belong to yourself is true, but the irreconcilable problems of denying self ownership are just a tad worse than having to refrain from exploiting someone by putting a gun to his head.
Even if that gun is held by the IRS.
But hey, you could start by elaborating why people who do not even own themselves, i.e., do not even have the right to make decisions for themselves somehow have the right to tell other people what to do, via the mysteries of “voting”.
Unless of course they all come together in a mystical moment and form “the people”, which is a magical creature that transcends the will of the actual people it is made of and rule from up high.
You should read Rosseau, you might like him. Or maybe you wouldnt, maybe your ideas do not look that appealing if they are laid out clearly, anyway, should be instructive. [/quote]
I would say that you are your life. Identical. No one can own your life. Some one can end it but they haven’t taken it like property because once taken its gone.
Clearly people have long believed you can sell your body or someone else can take your body and sell it I don’t think the morality of this is a property right though.
Its twisting the meaning of the word own to use it to say you own your life.
No system is going to be perfect. Much of libertarian thought depends on everyone being a rational actor with perfect information and there being no randomness. All of these things seem far fetched.
And to be frank no one will ever convince me that praxeology is anything other that a bunch of happy horseshit.
[/quote]
Tsk, tsk, tsk…
Here we are, in a society shaped by property rights, which does raise the question, who owns you?
Also, Human Action, or rather Nationaloekonomie, starts with a rather long passage regarding the way one should approach economic. That gave me a WTF!?! feeling for a long time too, but, if properly understood, it kind of makes sense to start this whole oeuvre with an epistemological treatise.
So, first you try to understand what he is actually trying to tell in in his first few chapters, then you can still dismiss him. [/quote]
Life isn’t property. Feel free to view it that way.
Human Action may very well be the worst econ book ever written. Come on now all human action is rational because there was a reason for it. Hooboy.
At the very least any real world examples you ever give mean nothing if you are a follower of his method.
[/quote]
Well, lets boil it down to one question…
WHO OWNS YOU ???
PS: you still should read the opening chapters of Human Action, because you kind of like, have not…
PPS: BS articles are no substitute. Read it God dammit…
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I know property is held by force, so is your life,
Hence the role of the government to preserve those rights. [/quote]
So help us out here educated guy…life is the same as property?[/quote]
Life IS a property right. [/quote]
This is a premise of some classical liberal thought. I don’t agree with your premise. There is no proof that life is property its just an assertion that you are making to base some arguments on.
And to be more specific the founding fathers didn’t even have full agreement on property rights. Adams took views much like Harrington. Jefferson was more like Locke.[/quote]
This is not just a premise for an argument, this is a rather fundamental question.
If there is such a thing as property you belong to yourself or someone else.
Which means that you are either free, or the slave of some ominous (democratic ?) collective.
You do not like the question because the obvious answer that would be given by roughly 95 % of the people blows a lot of your ideas out of the water.
That some things follow if you belong to yourself is true, but the irreconcilable problems of denying self ownership are just a tad worse than having to refrain from exploiting someone by putting a gun to his head.
Even if that gun is held by the IRS.
But hey, you could start by elaborating why people who do not even own themselves, i.e., do not even have the right to make decisions for themselves somehow have the right to tell other people what to do, via the mysteries of “voting”.
Unless of course they all come together in a mystical moment and form “the people”, which is a magical creature that transcends the will of the actual people it is made of and rule from up high.
You should read Rosseau, you might like him. Or maybe you wouldnt, maybe your ideas do not look that appealing if they are laid out clearly, anyway, should be instructive. [/quote]
I would say that you are your life. Identical. No one can own your life. Some one can end it but they haven’t taken it like property because once taken its gone.
Clearly people have long believed you can sell your body or someone else can take your body and sell it I don’t think the morality of this is a property right though.
Its twisting the meaning of the word own to use it to say you own your life.
No system is going to be perfect. Much of libertarian thought depends on everyone being a rational actor with perfect information and there being no randomness. All of these things seem far fetched.
And to be frank no one will ever convince me that praxeology is anything other that a bunch of happy horseshit.
[/quote]
Tsk, tsk, tsk…
Here we are, in a society shaped by property rights, which does raise the question, who owns you?
Also, Human Action, or rather Nationaloekonomie, starts with a rather long passage regarding the way one should approach economic. That gave me a WTF!?! feeling for a long time too, but, if properly understood, it kind of makes sense to start this whole oeuvre with an epistemological treatise.
So, first you try to understand what he is actually trying to tell in in his first few chapters, then you can still dismiss him. [/quote]
Life isn’t property. Feel free to view it that way.
Human Action may very well be the worst econ book ever written. Come on now all human action is rational because there was a reason for it. Hooboy.
At the very least any real world examples you ever give mean nothing if you are a follower of his method.
[/quote]
Well, lets boil it down to one question…
WHO OWNS YOU ???
PS: you still should read the opening chapters of Human Action, because you kind of like, have not…
PPS: BS articles are no substitute. Read it God dammit…
[/quote]
No one owns you.
You act like you aren’t arguing from a very fringe economic position. Wouldn’t you agree that the ideas of Human Action are very much out of sync with most modern economists?
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I know property is held by force, so is your life,
Hence the role of the government to preserve those rights. [/quote]
So help us out here educated guy…life is the same as property?[/quote]
Life IS a property right. [/quote]
This is a premise of some classical liberal thought. I don’t agree with your premise. There is no proof that life is property its just an assertion that you are making to base some arguments on.
And to be more specific the founding fathers didn’t even have full agreement on property rights. Adams took views much like Harrington. Jefferson was more like Locke.[/quote]
This is not just a premise for an argument, this is a rather fundamental question.
If there is such a thing as property you belong to yourself or someone else.
Which means that you are either free, or the slave of some ominous (democratic ?) collective.
You do not like the question because the obvious answer that would be given by roughly 95 % of the people blows a lot of your ideas out of the water.
That some things follow if you belong to yourself is true, but the irreconcilable problems of denying self ownership are just a tad worse than having to refrain from exploiting someone by putting a gun to his head.
Even if that gun is held by the IRS.
But hey, you could start by elaborating why people who do not even own themselves, i.e., do not even have the right to make decisions for themselves somehow have the right to tell other people what to do, via the mysteries of “voting”.
Unless of course they all come together in a mystical moment and form “the people”, which is a magical creature that transcends the will of the actual people it is made of and rule from up high.
You should read Rosseau, you might like him. Or maybe you wouldnt, maybe your ideas do not look that appealing if they are laid out clearly, anyway, should be instructive. [/quote]
I would say that you are your life. Identical. No one can own your life. Some one can end it but they haven’t taken it like property because once taken its gone.
Clearly people have long believed you can sell your body or someone else can take your body and sell it I don’t think the morality of this is a property right though.
Its twisting the meaning of the word own to use it to say you own your life.
No system is going to be perfect. Much of libertarian thought depends on everyone being a rational actor with perfect information and there being no randomness. All of these things seem far fetched.
And to be frank no one will ever convince me that praxeology is anything other that a bunch of happy horseshit.
[/quote]
Tsk, tsk, tsk…
Here we are, in a society shaped by property rights, which does raise the question, who owns you?
Also, Human Action, or rather Nationaloekonomie, starts with a rather long passage regarding the way one should approach economic. That gave me a WTF!?! feeling for a long time too, but, if properly understood, it kind of makes sense to start this whole oeuvre with an epistemological treatise.
So, first you try to understand what he is actually trying to tell in in his first few chapters, then you can still dismiss him. [/quote]
Life isn’t property. Feel free to view it that way.
Human Action may very well be the worst econ book ever written. Come on now all human action is rational because there was a reason for it. Hooboy.
At the very least any real world examples you ever give mean nothing if you are a follower of his method.
[/quote]
Well, lets boil it down to one question…
WHO OWNS YOU ???
PS: you still should read the opening chapters of Human Action, because you kind of like, have not…
PPS: BS articles are no substitute. Read it God dammit…
[/quote]
No one owns you.
You act like you aren’t arguing from a very fringe economic position. Wouldn’t you agree that the ideas of Human Action are very much out of sync with most modern economists?
[/quote]
Totally!
So?
What is this, a beauty pageant?
There is, kind of like, a wall of text on why economic is not a positivist quantitative science.
There is no way that you have read it yet.
Also, no one owns me?
Pray tell, who has the right to make decisions on my behalf?
I kind of need to know, this is a rather urgent matter…
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, no one owns me?
Pray tell, who has the right to make decisions on my behalf?
I kind of need to know, this is a rather urgent matter…[/quote]
Life isn’t property. Twist the meaning of own all you like. Please tell me how I can buy some more life. Can I take the title to my neighbor’s life and add it to my life? If I violently take someone’s life assuming no force of government intervention do I get to add it to my life for more net life?
You don’t own your life. You are your life.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, no one owns me?
Pray tell, who has the right to make decisions on my behalf?
I kind of need to know, this is a rather urgent matter…[/quote]
Life isn’t property. Twist the meaning of own all you like. Please tell me how I can buy some more life. Can I take the title to my neighbor’s life and add it to my own? If I violently take someone’s life assuming no force of government intervention do I get to add it to my own for more net life?
You don’t own your life. You are your life. [/quote]
Pffft…
WHO
GETS
TO
MAKE
THE
DECISIONS
WHEN
IT
COMES
TO
MY
LIFE ???
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, no one owns me?
Pray tell, who has the right to make decisions on my behalf?
I kind of need to know, this is a rather urgent matter…[/quote]
Life isn’t property. Twist the meaning of own all you like. Please tell me how I can buy some more life. Can I take the title to my neighbor’s life and add it to my own? If I violently take someone’s life assuming no force of government intervention do I get to add it to my own for more net life?
You don’t own your life. You are your life. [/quote]
Pffft…
WHO
GETS
TO
MAKE
THE
DECISIONS
WHEN
IT
COMES
TO
MY
LIFE ???[/quote]
WHY DO YOU THINK ECONOMICS IS DEDUCTIVE?
WHY MUST YOU ASK THESE QUESTIONS WHEN ITS MY TURN TO ACT IN THE POKER ROOM WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT CLEARLY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF MATH MUCH LESS RATIONAL ACTION?
I believe in inductive reasoning. Not going to come to the deductive dark side.
Largely I think property created society or vice versa its not a natural right.
I might agree you can make decisions regarding your body…but not really with your life at least not any rational economic ones. With immediate consequences life would only be traded for things that have little economic value.
Give me some examples of decisions involving your life that aren’t merely the body or of time.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, no one owns me?
Pray tell, who has the right to make decisions on my behalf?
I kind of need to know, this is a rather urgent matter…[/quote]
Life isn’t property. Twist the meaning of own all you like. Please tell me how I can buy some more life. Can I take the title to my neighbor’s life and add it to my own? If I violently take someone’s life assuming no force of government intervention do I get to add it to my own for more net life?
You don’t own your life. You are your life. [/quote]
Pffft…
WHO
GETS
TO
MAKE
THE
DECISIONS
WHEN
IT
COMES
TO
MY
LIFE ???[/quote]
WHY DO YOU THINK ECONOMICS IS DEDUCTIVE?
WHY MUST YOU ASK THESE QUESTIONS WHEN ITS MY TURN TO ACT IN THE POKER ROOM WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT CLEARLY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF MATH MUCH LESS RATIONAL ACTION?
I believe in inductive reasoning. Not going to come to the deductive dark side.
Largely I think property created society or vice versa its not a natural right.
I might agree you can make decisions regarding your body…but not really with your life at least not any rational economic ones. With immediate consequences life would only be traded for things that have little economic value.
Give me some examples of decisions involving your life that aren’t merely the body or of time.
[/quote]
Nononono…
Let us focus on the last part:
Who gets to decide what I do with my body and my time.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, no one owns me?
Pray tell, who has the right to make decisions on my behalf?
I kind of need to know, this is a rather urgent matter…[/quote]
Life isn’t property. Twist the meaning of own all you like. Please tell me how I can buy some more life. Can I take the title to my neighbor’s life and add it to my own? If I violently take someone’s life assuming no force of government intervention do I get to add it to my own for more net life?
You don’t own your life. You are your life. [/quote]
Pffft…
WHO
GETS
TO
MAKE
THE
DECISIONS
WHEN
IT
COMES
TO
MY
LIFE ???[/quote]
WHY DO YOU THINK ECONOMICS IS DEDUCTIVE?
WHY MUST YOU ASK THESE QUESTIONS WHEN ITS MY TURN TO ACT IN THE POKER ROOM WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT CLEARLY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF MATH MUCH LESS RATIONAL ACTION?
I believe in inductive reasoning. Not going to come to the deductive dark side.
Largely I think property created society or vice versa its not a natural right.
I might agree you can make decisions regarding your body…but not really with your life at least not any rational economic ones. With immediate consequences life would only be traded for things that have little economic value.
Give me some examples of decisions involving your life that aren’t merely the body or of time.
[/quote]
Nononono…
Let us focus on the last part:
Who gets to decide what I do with my body and my time.
[/quote]
Well no one of course free will is an illusion.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, no one owns me?
Pray tell, who has the right to make decisions on my behalf?
I kind of need to know, this is a rather urgent matter…[/quote]
Life isn’t property. Twist the meaning of own all you like. Please tell me how I can buy some more life. Can I take the title to my neighbor’s life and add it to my own? If I violently take someone’s life assuming no force of government intervention do I get to add it to my own for more net life?
You don’t own your life. You are your life. [/quote]
Pffft…
WHO
GETS
TO
MAKE
THE
DECISIONS
WHEN
IT
COMES
TO
MY
LIFE ???[/quote]
WHY DO YOU THINK ECONOMICS IS DEDUCTIVE?
WHY MUST YOU ASK THESE QUESTIONS WHEN ITS MY TURN TO ACT IN THE POKER ROOM WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT CLEARLY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF MATH MUCH LESS RATIONAL ACTION?
I believe in inductive reasoning. Not going to come to the deductive dark side.
Largely I think property created society or vice versa its not a natural right.
I might agree you can make decisions regarding your body…but not really with your life at least not any rational economic ones. With immediate consequences life would only be traded for things that have little economic value.
Give me some examples of decisions involving your life that aren’t merely the body or of time.
[/quote]
Nononono…
Let us focus on the last part:
Who gets to decide what I do with my body and my time.
[/quote]
Well no one of course free will is an illusion. [/quote]
Ah, I am just stumbling, mindless automaton…
May I inquire why other stumbling automatons claims might be more valid when it comes to my time and body than my own?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, no one owns me?
Pray tell, who has the right to make decisions on my behalf?
I kind of need to know, this is a rather urgent matter…[/quote]
Life isn’t property. Twist the meaning of own all you like. Please tell me how I can buy some more life. Can I take the title to my neighbor’s life and add it to my own? If I violently take someone’s life assuming no force of government intervention do I get to add it to my own for more net life?
You don’t own your life. You are your life. [/quote]
Pffft…
WHO
GETS
TO
MAKE
THE
DECISIONS
WHEN
IT
COMES
TO
MY
LIFE ???[/quote]
WHY DO YOU THINK ECONOMICS IS DEDUCTIVE?
WHY MUST YOU ASK THESE QUESTIONS WHEN ITS MY TURN TO ACT IN THE POKER ROOM WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT CLEARLY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF MATH MUCH LESS RATIONAL ACTION?
I believe in inductive reasoning. Not going to come to the deductive dark side.
Largely I think property created society or vice versa its not a natural right.
I might agree you can make decisions regarding your body…but not really with your life at least not any rational economic ones. With immediate consequences life would only be traded for things that have little economic value.
Give me some examples of decisions involving your life that aren’t merely the body or of time.
[/quote]
Nononono…
Let us focus on the last part:
Who gets to decide what I do with my body and my time.
[/quote]
Well no one of course free will is an illusion. [/quote]
Ah, I am just stumbling, mindless automaton…
May I inquire why other stumbling automatons claims might be more valid when it comes to my time and body than my own?[/quote]
No more no less in action. I am just a victim of predestination have to love all women cute and small and consume all alcohol thats lying about. Its the universe that has decided for me.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, no one owns me?
Pray tell, who has the right to make decisions on my behalf?
I kind of need to know, this is a rather urgent matter…[/quote]
Life isn’t property. Twist the meaning of own all you like. Please tell me how I can buy some more life. Can I take the title to my neighbor’s life and add it to my own? If I violently take someone’s life assuming no force of government intervention do I get to add it to my own for more net life?
You don’t own your life. You are your life. [/quote]
Pffft…
WHO
GETS
TO
MAKE
THE
DECISIONS
WHEN
IT
COMES
TO
MY
LIFE ???[/quote]
WHY DO YOU THINK ECONOMICS IS DEDUCTIVE?
WHY MUST YOU ASK THESE QUESTIONS WHEN ITS MY TURN TO ACT IN THE POKER ROOM WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT CLEARLY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF MATH MUCH LESS RATIONAL ACTION?
I believe in inductive reasoning. Not going to come to the deductive dark side.
Largely I think property created society or vice versa its not a natural right.
I might agree you can make decisions regarding your body…but not really with your life at least not any rational economic ones. With immediate consequences life would only be traded for things that have little economic value.
Give me some examples of decisions involving your life that aren’t merely the body or of time.
[/quote]
Nononono…
Let us focus on the last part:
Who gets to decide what I do with my body and my time.
[/quote]
Well no one of course free will is an illusion. [/quote]
Ah, I am just stumbling, mindless automaton…
May I inquire why other stumbling automatons claims might be more valid when it comes to my time and body than my own?[/quote]
No more no less in action.[/quote]
Either you have achieved enlightenment or you are insane.
Meanwhile, her on planet earth it kind of matters to me whether I am the captain of my ship or whether someone else is.
If its all the same to you, as it should be, why not let me pretend to set the course instead of some arbitrary democratic collective?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, no one owns me?
Pray tell, who has the right to make decisions on my behalf?
I kind of need to know, this is a rather urgent matter…[/quote]
Life isn’t property. Twist the meaning of own all you like. Please tell me how I can buy some more life. Can I take the title to my neighbor’s life and add it to my own? If I violently take someone’s life assuming no force of government intervention do I get to add it to my own for more net life?
You don’t own your life. You are your life. [/quote]
Pffft…
WHO
GETS
TO
MAKE
THE
DECISIONS
WHEN
IT
COMES
TO
MY
LIFE ???[/quote]
WHY DO YOU THINK ECONOMICS IS DEDUCTIVE?
WHY MUST YOU ASK THESE QUESTIONS WHEN ITS MY TURN TO ACT IN THE POKER ROOM WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT CLEARLY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF MATH MUCH LESS RATIONAL ACTION?
I believe in inductive reasoning. Not going to come to the deductive dark side.
Largely I think property created society or vice versa its not a natural right.
I might agree you can make decisions regarding your body…but not really with your life at least not any rational economic ones. With immediate consequences life would only be traded for things that have little economic value.
Give me some examples of decisions involving your life that aren’t merely the body or of time.
[/quote]
Nononono…
Let us focus on the last part:
Who gets to decide what I do with my body and my time.
[/quote]
Well no one of course free will is an illusion. [/quote]
Ah, I am just stumbling, mindless automaton…
May I inquire why other stumbling automatons claims might be more valid when it comes to my time and body than my own?[/quote]
No more no less in action.[/quote]
Either you have achieved enlightenment or you are insane.
Meanwhile, her on planet earth it kind of matters to me whether I am the captain of my ship or whether someone else is.
If its all the same to you, as it should be, why not let me pretend to set the course instead of some arbitrary democratic collective?[/quote]
Because I am driven by predestination and whiskey to destroy your libertarian free will…you will be assimilated.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, no one owns me?
Pray tell, who has the right to make decisions on my behalf?
I kind of need to know, this is a rather urgent matter…[/quote]
Life isn’t property. Twist the meaning of own all you like. Please tell me how I can buy some more life. Can I take the title to my neighbor’s life and add it to my own? If I violently take someone’s life assuming no force of government intervention do I get to add it to my own for more net life?
You don’t own your life. You are your life. [/quote]
Pffft…
WHO
GETS
TO
MAKE
THE
DECISIONS
WHEN
IT
COMES
TO
MY
LIFE ???[/quote]
WHY DO YOU THINK ECONOMICS IS DEDUCTIVE?
WHY MUST YOU ASK THESE QUESTIONS WHEN ITS MY TURN TO ACT IN THE POKER ROOM WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT CLEARLY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF MATH MUCH LESS RATIONAL ACTION?
I believe in inductive reasoning. Not going to come to the deductive dark side.
Largely I think property created society or vice versa its not a natural right.
I might agree you can make decisions regarding your body…but not really with your life at least not any rational economic ones. With immediate consequences life would only be traded for things that have little economic value.
Give me some examples of decisions involving your life that aren’t merely the body or of time.
[/quote]
Nononono…
Let us focus on the last part:
Who gets to decide what I do with my body and my time.
[/quote]
Well no one of course free will is an illusion. [/quote]
Ah, I am just stumbling, mindless automaton…
May I inquire why other stumbling automatons claims might be more valid when it comes to my time and body than my own?[/quote]
No more no less in action.[/quote]
Either you have achieved enlightenment or you are insane.
Meanwhile, her on planet earth it kind of matters to me whether I am the captain of my ship or whether someone else is.
If its all the same to you, as it should be, why not let me pretend to set the course instead of some arbitrary democratic collective?[/quote]
Because I am driven by predestination and whiskey to destroy your libertarian free will…you will be assimilated.
[/quote]
Aha!
Mindless automaton that you are, fueled by ethanol and related substances, you really cannot help yourself, you just have to.
Well, in that case we will just have to find out whose programming is more efficient…
Hint: We will out compete you…
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Also, no one owns me?
Pray tell, who has the right to make decisions on my behalf?
I kind of need to know, this is a rather urgent matter…[/quote]
Life isn’t property. Twist the meaning of own all you like. Please tell me how I can buy some more life. Can I take the title to my neighbor’s life and add it to my own? If I violently take someone’s life assuming no force of government intervention do I get to add it to my own for more net life?
You don’t own your life. You are your life. [/quote]
Pffft…
WHO
GETS
TO
MAKE
THE
DECISIONS
WHEN
IT
COMES
TO
MY
LIFE ???[/quote]
WHY DO YOU THINK ECONOMICS IS DEDUCTIVE?
WHY MUST YOU ASK THESE QUESTIONS WHEN ITS MY TURN TO ACT IN THE POKER ROOM WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT CLEARLY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF MATH MUCH LESS RATIONAL ACTION?
I believe in inductive reasoning. Not going to come to the deductive dark side.
Largely I think property created society or vice versa its not a natural right.
I might agree you can make decisions regarding your body…but not really with your life at least not any rational economic ones. With immediate consequences life would only be traded for things that have little economic value.
Give me some examples of decisions involving your life that aren’t merely the body or of time.
[/quote]
Nononono…
Let us focus on the last part:
Who gets to decide what I do with my body and my time.
[/quote]
Well no one of course free will is an illusion. [/quote]
Ah, I am just stumbling, mindless automaton…
May I inquire why other stumbling automatons claims might be more valid when it comes to my time and body than my own?[/quote]
No more no less in action.[/quote]
Either you have achieved enlightenment or you are insane.
Meanwhile, her on planet earth it kind of matters to me whether I am the captain of my ship or whether someone else is.
If its all the same to you, as it should be, why not let me pretend to set the course instead of some arbitrary democratic collective?[/quote]
Because I am driven by predestination and whiskey to destroy your libertarian free will…you will be assimilated.
[/quote]
Aha!
Mindless automaton that you are, fueled by ethanol and related substances, you really cannot help yourself, you just have to.
Well, in that case we will just have to find out whose programming is more efficient…
Hint: We will out compete you…
[/quote]
Unfortunately you will never be able to prove it since you deny all empirical evidence, so even if I lose I shall claim I win.