The idea keep gettin bounced around up here but I doubt it will ever pass…how aboutraising health care costs if you’re a fat bastard? Or if you smoke etc? I’m all for darwinism and fat dudes only mean more women for me,…but it doesn’t mean I should pay for their ridiculously expensive medical histories. If they want to destroy themselves they should pay for it. Any thoughts?
C
[quote]Creidem wrote:
The idea keep gettin bounced around up here but I doubt it will ever pass…how aboutraising health care costs if you’re a fat bastard? Or if you smoke etc? I’m all for darwinism and fat dudes only mean more women for me,…but it doesn’t mean I should pay for their ridiculously expensive medical histories. If they want to destroy themselves they should pay for it. Any thoughts?
C[/quote]
Some insurance companies charge more for those with higher BMIs. That includes those of us who lift weights and are carrying more muscle than average. Be careful what you wish for. Not only that, but smoking and obesity are not the only risk factors. So is AGE, being male, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and several other factors. The most common affliction I see is high blood pressure. I am sure it is even worse in the general population.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Creidem wrote:
The idea keep gettin bounced around up here but I doubt it will ever pass…how aboutraising health care costs if you’re a fat bastard? Or if you smoke etc? I’m all for darwinism and fat dudes only mean more women for me,…but it doesn’t mean I should pay for their ridiculously expensive medical histories. If they want to destroy themselves they should pay for it. Any thoughts?
C
Some insurance companies charge more for those with higher BMIs. That includes those of us who lift weights and are carrying more muscle than average. Be careful what you wish for. Not only that, but smoking and obesity are not the only risk factors. So is AGE, being male, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and several other factors. The most common affliction I see is high blood pressure. I am sure it is even worse in the general population.[/quote]
The BMI one kills me! When I was still playing football I was “morbidly obese” and was aparently going to die soon from 10 dozen diseases cause the BMI said so. Why do they still use this as an indicator?? Is there ever a chance that we might one day see a reasonable fitness test to ensure insurability? My god…you can tell from looking at me that I’m not an average 250 pound guy…and I’m not even anything special…it’s amazing how many of the rist factors you mentioned can be positively influenced by physical activity…and it doesn’t have to be a whole hell of a lot of activity either…gardening can reduce your risk of heart disease for the love of god! Admittedly you likely won’t see a gardener winning the Olympia…but still…for jerkoffs that don;t want to “exercise hard” there are viable options that will keep them alive and reduce the health care burden that those of us “maniacs” who work out have to frickin pay for!\
C
P.S. Before anyone straps on the sarcasm boots…I reasonably well aware that age and gender can’t be changed through exercise…yet.
[quote]Creidem wrote:
P.S. Before anyone straps on the sarcasm boots…I reasonably well aware that age and gender can’t be changed through exercise…yet.[/quote]
I disagree. The more I “exercise” the younger I feel. The more hardcore a women trains, the “manlier” she looks… 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL. A whole country of fat bastard children and what do we go after…those damned baseball players for…getting all muscular and stuff.[/quote]
That’s a great point X!
-Machine
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Creidem wrote:
P.S. Before anyone straps on the sarcasm boots…I reasonably well aware that age and gender can’t be changed through exercise…yet.
I disagree. The more I “exercise” the younger I feel. The more hardcore a women trains, the “manlier” she looks… :)[/quote]
That’s a raft of crap! Only if she does AAS.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
Too fat, they die in a car accident.
The world sorts itself out.
I see no problem…quote]
This is what I was thinking when I read the article. IMO, the dumber, more fat, or less motivated a person is, the more likely they are to be unsuccessful and probably die an early death. i.e. darwin awards.
Unfortunately the world has come to accomodate these people (i.e. fat-kid car seats), allowing them to live longer than they should.
Given the low price of calorie dense food, it is just too easy to get fat. TC wrote about this awhile back in one of his Atomic Dog columns:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=778816
Add sedentary living to the mix, and you get what you got- fat kids and parents.
Jack up the price of food (people will eat less, and, hopefully better) and gas (people might ride their bikes or walk more- instead of driving their SUV’s with oversided seats two blocks for a gallon of milk), maybe we might become as slim as our parents’ generation was.
[quote]bradleytc wrote:
Given the low price of calorie dense food, it is just too easy to get fat. TC wrote about this awhile back in one of his Atomic Dog columns:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=778816
Add sedentary living to the mix, and you get what you got- fat kids and parents.
Jack up the price of food (people will eat less, and, hopefully better) and gas (people might ride their bikes or walk more- instead of driving their SUV’s with oversided seats two blocks for a gallon of milk), maybe we might become as slim as our parents’ generation was.
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If you upped the price of food, this would also have the effect of people eating even worse, since healthful choices would now be completely out of many people’s budgets.
Seriously, y’all are a bunch of nazis. Why are you so intent on regulating everyone else’s lives? If people want to be out of shape, that’s their choice.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I disagree. It is quite possible that millions of fat people absent mindedly stick the big box of cookies on the top shelf subsequently leading to much jumping in order to reach them 6-10 times a day. Clearly, you do not understand the power of Nabisco.
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I think the researchers missed an important link:
Fat people fear lightning. Thus they jump whenever it strikes. Thunder then follows. The delay between lightning and thunder is therefore explained by the slow reflexes of fat people.
You guys see any comparison:
[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
bradleytc wrote:
Given the low price of calorie dense food, it is just too easy to get fat. TC wrote about this awhile back in one of his Atomic Dog columns:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=778816
Add sedentary living to the mix, and you get what you got- fat kids and parents.
Jack up the price of food (people will eat less, and, hopefully better) and gas (people might ride their bikes or walk more- instead of driving their SUV’s with oversided seats two blocks for a gallon of milk), maybe we might become as slim as our parents’ generation was.
If you upped the price of food, this would also have the effect of people eating even worse, since healthful choices would now be completely out of many people’s budgets. [/quote]
I don’t advocate upping the price of food via legislative action in a bid to make fat people skinny. Inflationary pressure will do that job on its own. I apologize for not being clear on that.
I sharply disagree with the assertion that healthful food choices are more expensive than unhealthy ones. Shop around the perimeter of the store, fill your basket with fresh food, and you’ll see that it is cheaper than filling up your basket with pre-made microwave dinners.
It may be their choice, but I’m tired of paying jacked-up health insurance rates to subsidize the consequences of sloven, weak-willed people’s unhealthy lifestyles.
Let’s be serious about the cause of the high cost of healthcare.
It is not fat people. It is not smokers.
It is malpractice insurance. It is health insurance executives getting paid millions. It is new and better medical equipment and treatments.
I live near a hospital. There are a number of major heaalth insurance companies in my area.
There are a number of insurance executives and doctors in my neighborhood. (I have the smallest house).
The insurance weenies drive better cars and have bigger houses than the doctors.
Healthcare costs too much because the money is going to the wrong places.
Don’t worry about fat kids in cars. Fat kids bounce.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Let’s be serious about the cause of the high cost of healthcare.
It is not fat people. It is not smokers.
It is malpractice insurance. It is health insurance executives getting paid millions. It is new and better medical equipment and treatments.
I live near a hospital. There are a number of major heaalth insurance companies in my area.
There are a number of insurance executives and doctors in my neighborhood. (I have the smallest house).
The insurance weenies drive better cars and have bigger houses than the doctors.
Healthcare costs too much because the money is going to the wrong places.
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Very well said. If it wasn’t for people suing doctors for every single thing they think they can get some money out of, insurance costs wouldn’t be so high. Health care costs as much as it does because anytime a doctor has to work on a patient, he has to cover his own ass to the tune of thousands of dollars because some idiot is just looking for a paycheck and hoping their doc does ANYTHING that allows them to sue for it.
[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
That’s a raft of crap! Only if she does AAS.[/quote]
I assumed you would read into the term “hardcore” to mean doing AAS. Besides it was a joke. Get out much?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Very well said. If it wasn’t for people suing doctors for every single thing they think they can get some money out of, insurance costs wouldn’t be so high. Health care costs as much as it does because anytime a doctor has to work on a patient, he has to cover his own ass to the tune of thousands of dollars because some idiot is just looking for a paycheck and hoping their doc does ANYTHING that allows them to sue for it. [/quote]
Agreed. Funny thing though. This is exactly what I said in the other health care/obesity thread and no one agreed with me. They still wanted to blame it all on the fat people.