As well, as the left loves to trumpet, isn’t the idea of intelligence a cultural/racial/gender construct? Aren’t IQ tests biased?
[quote]CDM wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
It was evident before 9/11 that Bush was going to go after Iraq–he just needed an excuse.
The President had been in office for roughly eight months before 9/11, where is the evidence, other than our normal presence to protect our national interest, that he was going after Iraq?
Too bad most Americans are too stupid to realize terrorism had nothing to do with Iraq–but now it does thanks to our military presence.
Terrorism has nothing to do with Iraq?
Come on, the nation of Israel might have something to add to this.
You and every other “pro-freedom” idiot on this site need to seriously figure out how to listen to “news” and propaganda and distill it into the hogwash it is.
And here we go again with the attitude that if you are pro-freedom/Bush you are too stupid to figure out the messages coming from the “news”. Only the anti-war/Bush people have it figured out and can “see” the information and decipher it correctly. Just because I have a different take on the news, doesn’t mean I am blind and take everything the Bush administration puts out at face value.
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If you are not and idiot then that quote was not intended for you. But seriously if you were an idiot you wouldn’t know if it was intended for you to begin with so it was a waste of my time to write it.
I will not be criticized for my “spin” on the news as being cynical. Anytime something bad happens and you point it out it?s called cynical and having a “shitty” attitude. People don’t like it when you tell them they are wrong and everything they beleive is a lie.
[quote]CDM wrote:
Terrorism has nothing to do with Iraq?
Come on, the nation of Israel might have something to add to this.
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Are you talking about the Israel who gets away with murdering Palestinians and then threating them if they retaliate they will invoke more murder upon themselves? Do you see why the Arab world hates us? We fund Israel–gave them their whole military but don’t stand up to them when they kill innocent people–meanwhile we condemn the “terrorists” who strike back at Israel. What’s funnier is the fact that Saudi Arabia is so duplicitous they’ll let us get away with funding Israel because they need our oil money to fund their own “back-door” terrorism.
Well, there is something we can probably all agree on…
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
CDM wrote:
Terrorism has nothing to do with Iraq?
Come on, the nation of Israel might have something to add to this.
Are you talking about the Israel who gets away with murdering Palestinians and then threating them if they retaliate they will invoke more murder upon themselves? Do you see why the Arab world hates us? We fund Israel–gave them their whole military but don’t stand up to them when they kill innocent people–meanwhile we condemn the “terrorists” who strike back at Israel. What’s funnier is the fact that Saudi Arabia is so duplicitous they’ll let us get away with funding Israel because they need our oil money to fund their own “back-door” terrorism.
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You really have this backwards! It is no wonder you misunderstand so many current events.
While you often make good points, you usually take the side of the terrorists that blow up the bus rather than the military that tries to target the terrorists.
Both may result in innocents being killed, but the goal of the American and Israeli military is to minimize innocent casualties while the goal of the terrorists are to maximize innocent casualties.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
You really have this backwards! It is no wonder you misunderstand so many current events.
While you often make good points, you usually take the side of the terrorists that blow up the bus rather than the military that tries to target the terrorists.
Both may result in innocents being killed, but the goal of the American and Israeli military is to minimize innocent casualties while the goal of the terrorists are to maximize innocent casualties.
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I take the side of no one. Well, since I’m not with George Bush I must be agaist him–I am the axis of evil. We are really inconsistent with our actions. We are against terrorism yet we support Israel and Saudi Arabia. No our goal is not to minimize anything–it is to maximize our possessions in the world. Figuratively and literally. Murder is murder no matter how you look at it. Weather it is done in the name of “protecting” your “homeland” or the name of terror makes no difference.
It is not I who misunderstand anything…Where are you getting your misinformation from that makes you think we are on the side of freedom. The “liberal Media”?
THINK ABOUT THIS
[quote]ConorM wrote:
So no rebuttals? No arguments? Just the same usual posts pertaining to secret jealousy of your nation. Sure Europeans emmigrate to America, there’s good money to be made in ceretain areas, but so what? That has nothing to do with any of my points.
And I’m a moonwhat now? Nothing intelligent to say? I was looking forward to a reasonable discussion hopefully future posts will not be written in the same brainless manner as these two.[/quote]
OK, I take the bait.
Yes, people dislike Americans??? Why? Many reasons, one includes jealousy. I’m not saying it is the only thing. You speak of morality. Illegal war…What war is Legal and by who’s standard? Yours? Mine? The answer is you can not label it Illegal or Just. This is your OPINION and we all know what OPINIONS are like.
You say we prance around forcing our morale will against others…that is your OPINION.
Are we to go into a state of “Isolationism”? If we did a lot of you nay sayers and critical countries would be in a lot of trouble REAL FAST.
Bottom line is we know what we are doing, and we are sticking to it. If you don’t like it it does not mean you are against us like so many like to say. We are in a search and destroy mode against terrorism, and we are PROTECTING Iraqi citizens AND weeding out attacks against their newly established and FREE Government by the people. THEY WANT US THERE, and don’t fool yourself into thinking otherwise.
Non-Americans can never understand the responsibilities and lives we lead, yet are quick to criticize.
It isn’t that we can’t carry a good debate and provide logical statements, it’s just that your rambling is not worthy of a response.
If you had a terrorist attack against your country what would your government do? You know the answer don’t you. We are making the world safer for YOU too. If we did not would you do it? Naa, you’ll wait for the big bad crappy US to do it right?..then tell everyone we are in others business.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
Wow, you guys really suck.
Except for Rockscar and Zap.
What kind of shitty attitudes are these?
Loth,
Anyway you cut it…this war is wrong and will result in no good. This war was so unacceptable that it took propaganda being distributed by the federal gov’t to convince us that was necessary. This war was started with no consensus except for George Bush and a few of his republican buddies who wanted to keep party lines. It was evident before 9/11 that Bush was going to go after Iraq–he just needed an excuse. Lucky for him 3000 dead people in the US killed by terrorists was enough of a reason to the American people. Too bad most Americans are too stupid to realize terrorism had nothing to do with Iraq–but now it does thanks to our military presence.
Frankly I don’t care about Saddam Hussein or his evil dictatorship just like I don’t care about any other dictatorship on this small planet. WMD wasn’t enough of a reason for invading Iraq just like communism isn’t enough of a reason to invade N. Korea, or genocide to invade Sudan, or Human rights violations to invade China, or religious fanaticism to invade Iran. So take your pick. Who’s next in the long list of the axis of evil to invade?
You and every other “pro-freedom” idiot on this site need to seriously figure out how to listen to “news” and propaganda and distill it into the hogwash it is.
I’m sorry you might have known someone who died in this un-just war but frankly I don’t care–it still doesn’t change my mind–too bad his or her deaths mean nothing. George Bush is a murderer–place your anger toward him and his “shitty” administration.
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Looks like you watched F 911 and are now living it. Go Michael Moore. He infected you.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
…Murder is murder no matter how you look at it… quote]
I think this statement is the heart of your mistaken beliefs.
The killing of terrorists is not murder.
The killing of random people on the street is murder.
If you equate these two actions, everything that follows will be twisted.
Rockscar,
Great posts!!!
I’m glad to hear that there are at least two Conservatives in California!!! (You and the Governor)
JeffR
Rockscar,
One more thing: Don’t bother ripping on John “Widow-lovin” Kerry.
The Democrats agree totally with your characterization.
Pretty sad, huh?
JeffR
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Looks like you watched F 911 and are low living it. Go Michael Moore. He infected you.
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Good one! I guess that makes the war okay then. Michael Moore is the one who invaded Iraq illegally or did he just point it out to the rest of the brainwashed Americans? Persecuting the messenger has always worked. The infection was there long before Moore became involved in this mess.
P.S. I get all my ideas from movies and the media because I have not an original thought in my head.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
CDM wrote:
Terrorism has nothing to do with Iraq?
Come on, the nation of Israel might have something to add to this.
Are you talking about the Israel who gets away with murdering Palestinians and then threating them if they retaliate they will invoke more murder upon themselves? Do you see why the Arab world hates us? We fund Israel–gave them their whole military but don’t stand up to them when they kill innocent people–meanwhile we condemn the “terrorists” who strike back at Israel. What’s funnier is the fact that Saudi Arabia is so duplicitous they’ll let us get away with funding Israel because they need our oil money to fund their own “back-door” terrorism.
You really have this backwards! It is no wonder you misunderstand so many current events.
While you often make good points, you usually take the side of the terrorists that blow up the bus rather than the military that tries to target the terrorists.
Both may result in innocents being killed, but the goal of the American and Israeli military is to minimize innocent casualties while the goal of the terrorists are to maximize innocent casualties.
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No Zap, YOU have it backwards.
Off the Charts
Accuracy in Reporting of Israel/Palestine
In the first year of the current uprising, when there were four times more Palestinians being killed than Israelis, two out of three networks reported on more Israeli deaths than Palestinian deaths. This gives the viewer an essentially inverted view of the violence, which persists in following years. Such distortion also creates a chronological reversal, in which Israeli forces are seen as retaliating, when in reality many Palestinians were killed in the West Bank and Gaza before any Jewish Israelis were killed inside Israel.
Reporting on children’s deaths was even more flawed.
In 2004, when 22 times more Palestinian children were being killed than Israeli children, we found that ABC, CBS, and NBC were reporting Israeli children’s deaths at rates 9 to 12.8 times higher than Palestinian children’s deaths.
Amnesty slams Israel ‘war crimes’
BBC News
25 May, 2005
The rights group’s report for 2004 says Israeli forces have killed some 700 Palestinians - including 150 children - mostly in unlawful circumstances
Some Israeli Pilots Refuse Strikes
Sept. 25, 2003
“We … are opposed to carrying out illegal and immoral orders to attack, of the type Israel carries out in the territories,” a letter from the pilots stated. "We … refuse to continue to hit innocent civilians …
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/world/main575270.shtml
Courage to Refuse - Combatant’s Letter
We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
http://www.seruv.org.il/english/combatants_letter.asp
Two girls, two shots to the head
Palestinian 15-year-olds among growing number of children hit by Israeli snipers during ‘Days of Penitence’
October 6, 2004
The Guardian
Israel killed 436 Palestinians in past ‘quiet’ six months
31 August 2004
EU poll: Israel ‘biggest threat’ to world peace
U.S. beats out ‘axis of evil’ in causing global instability
WorldNetDaily
October 31, 2003
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35383
“Certain foreign newspapers have said that we fell on Austria with brutal methods. I can only say; even in death they cannot stop lying. I have in the course of my political struggle won much love from my people, but when I crossed the former frontier [into Austria] there met me such a stream of love as I have never experienced. Not as tyrants have we come, but as liberators.”
–Adolf Hitler
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Bottom line is we know what we are doing, and we are sticking to it. If you don’t like it it does not mean you are against us like so many like to say. We are in a search and destroy mode against terrorism, and we are PROTECTING Iraqi citizens AND weeding out attacks against their newly established and FREE Government by the people. THEY WANT US THERE, and don’t fool yourself into thinking otherwise.
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So the same people who let a hijacked commercial jet fly for two hours over the East Coast and eventually slam into THEIR OWN headquarters is going to save the world from terrorism? I feel better already.
BREAKING NEWS: BIN LADEN STILL AT LARGE
JTF, I have some wonderful beachfront property in Oklahoma that Rockscar would be interested in.
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Bottom line is we know what we are doing, and we are sticking to it. If you don’t like it it does not mean you are against us like so many like to say. We are in a search and destroy mode against terrorism, and we are PROTECTING Iraqi citizens AND weeding out attacks against their newly established and FREE Government by the people. THEY WANT US THERE, and don’t fool yourself into thinking otherwise.
So the same people who let a hijacked commercial jet fly for two hours over the East Coast and eventually slam into THEIR OWN headquarters is going to save the world from terrorism? I feel better already.
If you had a terrorist attack against your country what would your government do? You know the answer don’t you. We are making the world safer for YOU too. If we did not would you do it? Naa, you’ll wait for the big bad crappy US to do it right?..then tell everyone we are in others business.
BREAKING NEWS: BIN LADEN STILL AT LARGE[/quote]
And when he is caught then it’s all over right?
And to the first point you tried to make, or was it an “Opinion”…the 911 scenario would not happen today, and yes someone needs to save the world from terrorism. Better US then France, or China, or Indonesia.
Would you feel better if it were another country saving everyone from terrorists who gives a rats ass about YOU and our overbearing American ways? We can not save all, but we can try, and we are.
We are in control of our destiny, nobody else, and I prefer it that way no matter what others “Think” about it.
I really can’t believe what some of you are saying…it makes no sense.
[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
JTF, I have some wonderful beachfront property in Oklahoma that Rockscar would be interested in. [/quote]
I really prefer the Colorado shoreline though. Got anything there??
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Rockscar,
One more thing: Don’t bother ripping on John “Widow-lovin” Kerry.
The Democrats agree totally with your characterization.
Pretty sad, huh?
JeffR[/quote]
Yeah I guess after a few months you must stop backing a total loser. I wonder how many different Baseball and B-Ball team jerseys these guys keep and wear the winning team jersey “in win season” only.
You should be part of the administration coalition building team…
I really can’t believe what some of you are saying…it makes no sense.
Believe me rockscar the feeling is overwhelmingly mutual.