Looking for some real wisdom from people who have been using PEDs for a long time.
What has worked really well for you in the long term?
What would you avoid if you were to do it all over again?
Start with the lowest possible dose that get results, and move up if needed
Don’t start with the highest dose you can barely handle the side effects from.
Just because 25mg is good and 50mg is great doesn’t mean 100mg will be amazing.
Dont assume bloodwork shows all damage done by AAS
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This is just plain old common sense.
It seems that once somebody gets the “bug” to put on as much muscle as possible, that it also means it must be done as fast as possible.
It was my philosophy to let the least amount of AAS work until you needed more to make more progress. It took me 8 years to progress to about 600mg/wk. Every cycle built upon the previous cycle.
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As odd as it might seem, I believe that I made good choices every cycle
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Worst experience, first one, used methyltrenialone and best experiences have always been running moderate test and milder compounds . Less is more in my experience
In medicine this is called the minimum therapeutic dose, or the minimum effective dose. You are dead on… the goal is to get the intended benefit of whatever drug while incurring the lowest possible negative side effect profile.
Thanks for replying!
Thanks for the reply! These are awesome points.
Can you give specifics on what substances have worked well for you?
Thanks for the reply! This is really solid advice. Can you give some examples of milder compounds? What would you recommend to a younger version of yourself starting out?
This begs the question of the intent of this thread.
What age of a younger age of myself?
The intent of this thread is to learn from some of the usually measured, informed, and rational wisdom found throughout these pages, but i guess I’m looking for a summary of what has really worked for people (or what hasn’t).
There’s a massive amount of encouragement to start at 500mg of testosterone out there, but when I look through the historical posts of some of the frequent posters I see a very different recommendation.
I’m hoping to hear more from those voices… the reason I’ve gravitated to this page.
The types and doses of AAS seems to follow what is the trend at any period of time.
During the 1960’s and most of the 1970’s most people were using Dianabol. I had heard of doses between 10mg and 80mg.
In the later 1970’s the use of testosterone as a base to stack became popular along with Deca-Durabolin. The popular orals were Dianabol, Anavar, Winstrol, and Anadrol. The group I was around used up 600mg/wk. We had heard that the best Bodybuilders were using Primobolin for contest prep, but none of us were able to try it.
HGH came on the scene in the 1980’s. It became more popular when synthetic HGH was developed.
In the 1990’s the use of Parabolin was on the rise. My workout partner started making his own injectable Tren from pellets used by vets.
I got out of the AAS when I was diagnosed with Dermatamyositis in 1997.
As far as I was aware most everyone used 200mg/wk of testosterone as a base to stack other AAS. I don’t know when tge trend for higher doses of testosterone began, but it seems popular now.
BTW, I never did a cycle that didn’t include an oral AAS the entire duration of the cycle. But I never stacked orals. My oral doses were no more than 20mg/day, with the occasional rare exception of a 3 week run of 50mg/day Anadrol mid cycle
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I would’ve convinced myself to stay natural a little longer and use things like test, anavar, tbol, and primo or eq instead of trying to force anadrol and deca to work for me when they’d kill my appetite or sleep or ruin my mood.
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Its all trial and error for most people I never recommend starting at high dosages of anything 500mg TEST beginner cycles are just dumb. I started at 150mg a week slowly bumped it up to 200mg over a few months and thats where I stay at. This gives you time to figure out sides if your a high E2 converter or not like me. compared to running a 500mg cycle with pretty much guaranteed sides that most beginners don’t know how to handle well. TEST only was what I did in the beginning, then TEST, HCG, and RETA for weight loss with muscle maintenance and no testicular shrinkage, Then TEST,RETA, HGH, and HCG for a few months, Finally now at TEST, RETA, HGH, HCG and DECA. All low dosage works extremely well with blood work excellent I get them done every 3 months along with donating to keep hgb down. To describe below this is my weekly efficient cycle that has done me well.
200mg TEST C - For muscle growth
100MG DECA - For joint support
4IU HGH - For recovery, sleep, belly fat shredding
1000IU HCG - For fertility protection and reverse testicular shrinkage
2.5MG RETA - For Weight loss and insulin sensitivity improvement
.25mg anastrozole 3x a week im a high estrogen converter and need it you might not.
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