[quote]dt79 wrote:
And no offense, but everytime i hear this stuff about passion, it usually either comes from a successful person telling people what they want to hear, or a marginally successful person teaching people how to succeed.[/quote]
Pretty much.
Those who followed their passion and succeeded beyond imagination tend to have certain qualities that actually allow them to succeed, or they got really lucky by being born in the right time where opportunity to become a billionaire exists.
Following your passion in of itself means nothing. You may simply be bad at it, for one thing. Passion doesn’t mean you’re good at it, or that you can get good at it.
And people who decry the 9 to 5 desk job need to realize something- For most people simply being able to live a decent life and provide for their family is the goal that they want to achieve. If the desk job provides that with no complaints, then there’s no complaints.
And if you have a complaint and don’t do anything to fix it, then you’re a retard. But that has nothing to do with the desk job. Rather, it has everything to do with you.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Finding success it while off veering off a normal career path depends on positivity, objectivity, ability to adapt, balls, and the foresight to capitalise on opportunity. In many cases, passion has little to do with it.
[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
My view is that you should follow your passion. If you a passionate about something and positive, eventually through that dedication to your passion, positivity and success will find you and maybe even present you with the opportunity to combine your interests into a new “path”. [/quote]
This implies placing your bets on luck and faith. You really shouldn’t.[/quote]
Not really placing bets on luck and faith. Just can’t imagine being a “worker” my whole life. What I mean by that, is just a 9-5 job in which I don’t contribute new ideas to the world. No, I’m not saying you shouldn’t ever be a worker, but I think too many people get stuck and stay there for life. Especially today, when we’re all connected by the internet, the possibilities are endless.
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And i’m saying the plan, defined goal and an objective mindset is what makes any endeavour a success. Passion ensures nothing and even becomes a distraction when objective decisions need to be made.[/quote]
I’m not saying to go out blindly and hope for the best. Hard work and dedication is mandatory in order to prosper.
If I could start over again I would go straight for the highest income possible so that I could use those funds to eventually not have to work.
Being honest I am not truly passionate about anything, hence I would:
Complete degree in petroleum engineering.
Obtain job on an oil rig/camp
Work hard for many years.
Invest in what I see fit to generate passive income.
Ninety percent of the population doesn’t have a passion. Of the remaining %10, ninety percent of those don’t have a passion that will pay the bills so stop buying into this Oprah-fied bullshit.
I have two friends in their 40’s, both of whom I look up to as people who really lead fulfilling lives. One guy is a scrap metal dealer, the other leases commercial cranes. Neither graduated college thinking to themselves, “Boy, I have a real passion for buying scrap/leasing cranes”. Yet, they’re genuinely happy.
That’s because they know what they’re strengths are and they’ve chosen fields that they can excel in. As it turns out, scrap metal is a close community of people who have been doing it for years and so it’s not about buying old copper pipes, it’s about relationships and nurturing those relationships and that’s what my buddy excels at. That’s what he enjoys and what allows him to feel fulfilled doing what he does.
For my other friend, leasing cranes isn’t about the cranes, it’s about logistics and problem solving and going out and chasing new leads and earning new business. Find out what your strengths are and find a job that aligns with those strengths.
Lastly, to the OP: nobody gives a fuck about what ideas you can give to the world unless you can execute those ideas and someone else can make money off of them. Not being cruel, that’s just how it is.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Finding success it while off veering off a normal career path depends on positivity, objectivity, ability to adapt, balls, and the foresight to capitalise on opportunity. In many cases, passion has little to do with it.
[quote]SirTroyRobert wrote:
My view is that you should follow your passion. If you a passionate about something and positive, eventually through that dedication to your passion, positivity and success will find you and maybe even present you with the opportunity to combine your interests into a new “path”. [/quote]
This implies placing your bets on luck and faith. You really shouldn’t.[/quote]
Not really placing bets on luck and faith. Just can’t imagine being a “worker” my whole life. What I mean by that, is just a 9-5 job in which I don’t contribute new ideas to the world. No, I’m not saying you shouldn’t ever be a worker, but I think too many people get stuck and stay there for life. Especially today, when we’re all connected by the internet, the possibilities are endless.
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And i’m saying the plan, defined goal and an objective mindset is what makes any endeavour a success. Passion ensures nothing and even becomes a distraction when objective decisions need to be made.[/quote]
I’m not saying to go out blindly and hope for the best. Hard work and dedication is mandatory in order to prosper.[/quote]
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Ninety percent of the population doesn’t have a passion. Of the remaining %10, ninety percent of those don’t have a passion that will pay the bills so stop buying into this Oprah-fied bullshit.
I have two friends in their 40’s, both of whom I look up to as people who really lead fulfilling lives. One guy is a scrap metal dealer, the other leases commercial cranes. Neither graduated college thinking to themselves, “Boy, I have a real passion for buying scrap/leasing cranes”. Yet, they’re genuinely happy.
That’s because they know what they’re strengths are and they’ve chosen fields that they can excel in. As it turns out, scrap metal is a close community of people who have been doing it for years and so it’s not about buying old copper pipes, it’s about relationships and nurturing those relationships and that’s what my buddy excels at. That’s what he enjoys and what allows him to feel fulfilled doing what he does.
For my other friend, leasing cranes isn’t about the cranes, it’s about logistics and problem solving and going out and chasing new leads and earning new business. Find out what your strengths are and find a job that aligns with those strengths.
Lastly, to the OP: nobody gives a fuck about what ideas you can give to the world unless you can execute those ideas and someone else can make money off of them. Not being cruel, that’s just how it is.
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This forum needs a “like” button.
I especially like your first passage. What most people consider as their “passion” is not “passion”. They realize this as soon as they attempt to do something with it beyond 1-2 hours a week.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Ninety percent of the population doesn’t have a passion. Of the remaining %10, ninety percent of those don’t have a passion that will pay the bills so stop buying into this Oprah-fied bullshit.
I have two friends in their 40’s, both of whom I look up to as people who really lead fulfilling lives. One guy is a scrap metal dealer, the other leases commercial cranes. Neither graduated college thinking to themselves, “Boy, I have a real passion for buying scrap/leasing cranes”. Yet, they’re genuinely happy.
That’s because they know what they’re strengths are and they’ve chosen fields that they can excel in. As it turns out, scrap metal is a close community of people who have been doing it for years and so it’s not about buying old copper pipes, it’s about relationships and nurturing those relationships and that’s what my buddy excels at. That’s what he enjoys and what allows him to feel fulfilled doing what he does.
For my other friend, leasing cranes isn’t about the cranes, it’s about logistics and problem solving and going out and chasing new leads and earning new business. Find out what your strengths are and find a job that aligns with those strengths.
Lastly, to the OP: nobody gives a fuck about what ideas you can give to the world unless you can execute those ideas and someone else can make money off of them. Not being cruel, that’s just how it is.
Interesting… I was thinking defining “prosper” was more important.[/quote]
The dictionary definition of prosper is “to make successful”. To make successful can be a broad term. Success is measured by what you consider success. Success to me means, becoming the best at whatever it is you choose to dedicate your life to, getting an income from it, and continuing to do what you consider your “passion” to be. As for passion, it’s a strong almost uncontrollable emotion towards something. If you have a passion for something, wouldn’t it make it that much easier to dedicate time to it? The more time you dedicate, the better you get at your craft. The better you get, the more chance you will find some sort of success with it. I only get one life as far as I know. I don’t want to be on my death bed wondering what could have been if I would have just done what I wanted to do. Maybe the reason why successful people who created new paths are outliers, is because they refused to listen to what society said they could and could not do. Just something to consider. Many may think I’m dumb and am making a mistake in thinking this way, but at least if I make mistakes, they’re my mistakes.
Interesting… I was thinking defining “prosper” was more important.[/quote]
As for passion, it’s a strong almost uncontrollable emotion towards something. If you have a passion for something, wouldn’t it make it that much easier to dedicate time to it? The more time you dedicate, the better you get at your craft. The better you get, the more chance you will find some sort of success with it.[/quote]
And this is why it affects decision making.
Profiting from something does not even require liking it. It involves many more factors which have nothing to do with passion.
If you aren’t the type of person that can find the personal motivation to dedicate the same effort to something you don’t like as something you have passion for, and want to tread off the beaten path to find success, you will not find it.
Interesting… I was thinking defining “prosper” was more important.[/quote]
As for passion, it’s a strong almost uncontrollable emotion towards something. If you have a passion for something, wouldn’t it make it that much easier to dedicate time to it? The more time you dedicate, the better you get at your craft. The better you get, the more chance you will find some sort of success with it.[/quote]
And this is why it affects decision making.
Profiting from something does not even require liking it. It involves many more factors which have nothing to do with passion.
If you aren’t the type of person that can find the personal motivation to dedicate the same effort to something you don’t like as something you have passion for, and want to tread off the beaten path to find success, you will not find it.
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Why would you dedicate so much time to something you don’t even care about? Yes, there’s money… But who’s to say you can’t find money taking the path less traveled? Just because you do not agree, doesn’t make what you think the one and only way. I’m not going to go all cliche on you and talk about Bill Gates… But really, if the people many of us look up to had this thought proccess, where would they be?
People talk about “passion”. People talk about “balance”.
Rarely do people talk about the fact that passion often leads to severe imbalances. Most of the people held up as examples of “successful” when discussing passion are also extremely imbalanced. Few are very capable in any area other than their passion.
Without proper balance, setbacks can have a much more significant blow on a person; egos are very heavily involved, people can become very touchy, and burnout is prevalent. With the proper balance, you’re likely not going to be as “successful”, but you’ll also likely be happier.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
Depending on the size of the paycheck and where you’re coming from financial, it’s hard to do something if you’re hating every second of it.
I made good money doing plumbing, but it’s literally a shit job. So i quit, make less money now, but im not sticking my hand in shit anymore…[/quote]
I just don’t think I would be able to do something without any care for it regardless of the money. Sounds like you’re happier though. Good to hear.
Unfortunately, in life, sometimes you have to do things you don’t give a shit about to pay for the things you do give a shit about. The path less traveled is less traveled for a reason. Can you be successful at something you are “passionate” about, sure. That’s every entrepreneurs dream. What’s their success rate?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Unfortunately, in life, sometimes you have to do things you don’t give a shit about to pay for the things you do give a shit about. The path less traveled is less traveled for a reason. Can you be successful at something you are “passionate” about, sure. That’s every entrepreneurs dream. What’s their success rate? [/quote]
Yes that’s true. But doing something you don’t give a shit about as a career sounds like a recipe for disaster. We all have to do things we don’t want to do, I’m not saying you should avoid things you don’t want to do. But, your job will be a rather large part of your life. I guess it depends. If you feel having a plan with a linear path is better for you then do that. If you accept the risk of not taking the conventional path, but think you’ll be happier then do that.
Interesting… I was thinking defining “prosper” was more important.[/quote]
As for passion, it’s a strong almost uncontrollable emotion towards something. If you have a passion for something, wouldn’t it make it that much easier to dedicate time to it? The more time you dedicate, the better you get at your craft. The better you get, the more chance you will find some sort of success with it.[/quote]
And this is why it affects decision making.
Profiting from something does not even require liking it. It involves many more factors which have nothing to do with passion.
If you aren’t the type of person that can find the personal motivation to dedicate the same effort to something you don’t like as something you have passion for, and want to tread off the beaten path to find success, you will not find it.
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This way of thinking is exactly what i just wrote will prevent you from finding success.
I never wrote that. Not once. Because i have done it.
They would be exactly where they are now.
And some author will be writing about their exploits without the intricate details on how they actually succeded but, instead, tell people like you that all they had to do was follow passion and put in hard work instead of having a well designed game plan for every single move they made. And you will believe him.
Does anyone else get irritated when meeting someone new(usually women) and 2nd thing they ask is “what do you do?”
i work like everyone else, how about asking “what do you like to do”. You’ll learn a lot more about someone with that question. < usually my response verbatim.
