Flypaper Theory

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:
Or do you take the same amount of money and take a course of action that not only kills people but also has the serious risk of backfiring, like in Iran?

I seriously believe that you wage war to wage war. It is a business, nothing else.

What the hell, we did not strike back when they took our people hostage, unlike what the Europeans did to the Chinese during the Boxer Rebellion.

We did not strike back when they killed our Marines in Lebanon, took hostages there and killed many of them.

Yet, throughout the 80’s and 90’s we took limited action against the terrorists, and they just got bolder and bolder until they attacked our own country.

And now that we stuck back, suddenly, we lust for war, we are evil, we are the bad guys… Tell me, how does that work?
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Stop quoting mindlessly conflicts and empires of the past (Boxer Rebellion), the western world has moved on.
The american people certainly aren’t more evil then your average german guy of tody or 1933. It’s just that the whole system, the machinery behind it, the political pattern is now primed for imperialistic behaviour.
It is a machinery without a single face to blame or a single leaders mouth to listen to.
I believe King Bush REALLY thinks he does god’s will. At least, and that is important here, he convinced himself enough. You are convinced that America must be good and can’t be evil. As long as you think in terms of good and evil, this will be the case.

Would you admit, in a few years, when your troops have withdrawn from Iraq and Afghanistan, that they accomplished zero and that the machinery was broken and ill-designed?

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
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Would you admit, in a few years, when your troops have withdrawn from Iraq and Afghanistan, that they accomplished zero and that the machinery was broken and ill-designed?[/quote]

If we leave those places and they revert to their ways of sponsoring terror, exterminating each other etc the failing will be their own fault and no others.

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So, as you won’t let that happen, you stay to ensure the failing will be your fault.
Strange logic.

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The failing will be theirs, but does that make the manouver any more wise? I recall reading a scifi book by Harry Harrison he wrote in the sixties where he underlined the impossibility of exporting democracy to underdeveloped societies. It was one from the Stainless Steelrat series, maybe the first.

But as I have stated earlier, don’t leave, not yet anyway. That would be even worse, in my opinion. And Saddam is gone, can’t complain about that.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Stop quoting mindlessly conflicts and empires of the past (Boxer Rebellion), the western world has moved on.
to.

You are convinced that America must be good and can’t be evil. As long as you think in terms of good and evil, this will be the case.

Would you admit, in a few years, when your troops have withdrawn from Iraq and Afghanistan, that they accomplished zero and that the machinery was broken and ill-designed?[/quote]

I will stop quoting mindless conflicts when my opponents do the same.

Let history judge us.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:

Has Austria’s collective soul felt satiation with the mass murder it took part in?

Absolutely.

But you could not stop until we made you. Your bloodlust was insatiable…until you finally got your ass kicked. You didn’t stop because of some choice or noble morality. You had no choice in the matter.

How dare you ask more of us than your father and his friends’ generation was capable of!

Because we judge you by the values you claim to hold dear?

edit: Grandfathers.

Oh, I see. So we just need to be more honest, like your grandfather (“We WILL exterminate these people!”), and be clear about our intentions. Then all will be forgiven about 50 years after our “small transgression.”

Your country had its time on the world stage, and made a bigger fucking mess of things than any other nation in history. (You NEED to read that line over and over until it sinks in, son.)

And yet you dare to judge the US.

But, of course, we all know that if Orion had been alive during one of those WORLD wars his people were SO intimately involved with, he’d have sprung into action and begun a counter-movement to save the world and the countless victims, right? Give me a break.

You’re pathetic, young man. You write as though you have all the moral authority in the world. What have you done to earn that “authority?” Not one thing. You are part of a nation that should hang its collective head in shame and humbly uderstand that it has no right to judge others, given the mind-boggling “mistakes” it made when it had it’s chance at the wheel. (Just how many deaths would YOU lay at the feet of Austria?)

Your lame attempts to overcompsate for the guilt that you feel over “ol grandad” and his murderous friends are downright comic. Orion speaks: "The US is committing countless atrocities, it is an unconsconable nation. I can’t bear it! I’m outraged! I’m so damned outraged that I MUST do something! I know! I’ll…post endless messages on a bodybuildng site! That’ll show 'em!

“Orion: Changing the world, one weightlifter at a time.”[/quote]

The more you try to add deeper meaning to your fatuitous posts, the more it becomes apparent that your an internet strongman.
Why do you fear to argue with someone from another country?
There are no arguments from you besides lame accusations and clumsy attempts to claim moral high ground.
This is the reason Lixy owns you on a rhetorical level again and again. You must be pretty frustrated at the point, each of your new posts read like your last, same stuff everytime.

Invoking Adolf is idiotic for so many reasons, strange that it’s always the same folk to do so. And addressing Orion as “son” and “young man” is hilarious because everyone reading your posts knows you should be way younger then him, if not, even more shame onto you.

-S

P.S. Aren’t you japanese and thus also full of guilt, according to your logic?