[quote]Chushin wrote:
Hey, I’ve made it! Quoted as THE example of “American Moral Superiority!” Yahoo! Mick, Hedo…Give me a high 5, guys!
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No, you hav been quoted as THE example of blind, hate and fearful hypocrisy.
Never pretty.
Not in the US, not anywhere else.
If it hits to close to home it hurts, I understand.
Arguably your only achievement, hence the identification with said countries govrnment and military might.
Pure insecurity.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
orion wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
orion wrote:
I would also like to point out, just for shits and giggles, that not once have I insulted anyone using his or her heritage and yet the use of Eurotrash, Euroturd and Austrian this and that becomes inflationary.
So either my anti Americanism is not so much an issue as some posters rampant anti Europeaism.
Or maybe some assholes simply have no manners.
That’s funny coming from you. I can’t think of less manners on display than from someone who enters and American operated forum and does nothing but trash America day in and day out month after month year after year. You are at the bottom of the list when it comes to those that should be expecting any favors or grace from others.
You are basically reaping what you’ve sown, and it will probably get worse. Judging by the PM’s that I’ve gotten I think many are fed up with your despicable attitude and unwavering hatred of America.
Judging by the PMs I got I´d say that most people think you are an idiot.
So drool on, my cerebrally challenged nemesis.
Funny, you mentioned PM’s after I did. Naw…you’re not lying, you save that for your feeble attempts at trashing America.
Post on WHORION.
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I shall Inbred Boy!
To Infinity and Beyond!
Come on everyone, lets be nice.
Pay close attention to what orion is doing here. There are no concrete arguments given, and all issues are ignored unless it is being twisted in some way.
Like the idea that Saddam was willing to leave, but the fact that the deal was with UAE, not America is not mentioned, and the fact that it fell through, isn’t important. Then suddenly it was because Bush wouldn’t let him leave even though Bush wasn’t involved in the deal.
Then suddenly he was our guy. Again blaming America. It’s bad if we help keep him in power, and bad if we remove him from power. Well which is it? Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
And this is the key to orion’s whole argument. America is bad here, and if you can argue that, abandon that argument, and point out how America is bad over there. Then just throw out statements without any backing at all. �??Your guy!�?? which truly mean nothing.
I loved the whole attack on the moral relativism while at the same time putting more moral relativism out there. Talk about pissing on my leg and telling me it’s raining.
The problem is that this becomes similar to discussions with politicians who know how to talk without saying anything. Once he gets to the point that it actually seems to make sense when it doesn’t he will make a wonderful bureaucrat.
I still wonder if he is aware that he posted that half of Iraq wants us there, and that is the worst the statistic has ever been. Maybe the math went over his head. Maybe he was fooled by the whole combine all the people who want us to leave but divide up the ones who want us to stay method of twisting statistics to make it seem as if something was true when it wasn’t. (Even writing it is confusing. Damn they’re good.)
[quote]The Mage wrote:
Come on everyone, lets be nice.
Pay close attention to what orion is doing here. There are no concrete arguments given, and all issues are ignored unless it is being twisted in some way.
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And I thought that this is exactly what you are doing.
Not you personally, but you, Zap and so on.
I do not include JeffR or Mick28 in that list, because I do not expect them to make sense.
I also posted a QUESTION.
I never got an answer except that posing it makes me an America hater.
Other people dodging my questions does not make me the one who is afraid to show his colours.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
Then suddenly he was our guy. Again blaming America. It’s bad if we help keep him in power, and bad if we remove him from power. Well which is it? Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. [/quote]
Duh!
Imagine if the Chinese helped keep Bush in power, would you be happy? Now, Imagine if they invaded your country to remove him from power. Would that not be just as bad, if not worse?
Your sphere of influence doesn’t engulf the known universe, nor can you trump people’s right to self-determination.
[quote]lixy wrote:
The Mage wrote:
Then suddenly he was our guy. Again blaming America. It’s bad if we help keep him in power, and bad if we remove him from power. Well which is it? Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Duh!
Imagine if the Chinese helped keep Bush in power, would you be happy? Now, Imagine if they invaded your country to remove him from power. Would that not be just as bad, if not worse?
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It´s allmost rocket science Dude!
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Hey, I’ve made it! Quoted as THE example of “American Moral Superiority!” Yahoo! Mick, Hedo…Give me a high 5, guys!
No, you hav been quoted as THE example of blind,
Don’t give up your native language, shithead, 'cause you sure can’t speak English.
And I’ll be a proud citizen of one of the greatest countries the world has known.
Arguably your only achievement,
Because you know me so well, right? I’ve done more in my life than you’ll ever hope to accomplish Eurotrash.
Let me say this once more, with feeling:
FUCK OFF, YOU SLIMY CHILD OF HITLER. 
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What?
I thought you were done with me?
It´s so inconvenient when you cannot silence your opponents with bombs isn´t it?
It must also be hard when one acquires ones debating skills from American mainstream media.
Plus, I am absolutely sure that you decorated your Mom`s
basement prettier than all your slacker friends, so yes, you have accomplished something!
Plus, first Nazi reference so you automatically lose.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Duh!
Imagine if the Chinese helped keep Bush in power, would you be happy? Now, Imagine if they invaded your country to remove him from power. Would that not be just as bad, if not worse?
Your sphere of influence doesn’t engulf the known universe, nor can you trump people’s right to self-determination.[/quote]
Actually the Chinese are trying to get Hillary elected.
But again this is not logical thinking, though such cannot be expected. You are attempting to use faulty metaphors.
Let me try this. Lets say some guy broke into your house, had a knife to your wife’s neck. You grab a gun and shoot him.
“Congratulations, you cold blooded killer. He was a father simply doing his job (robbing people) to feed his children. Would you like it if I walked into your fathers car sales job and shot him? What makes you any different? He wasn’t attacking you was he? So what gives you the moral superiority to kill him?”
And yes this is exactly what it sounds like to me.
And lets not get into the gutter here. I have avoided getting into threads in the past because of that before my last couple of hiatuses from this forum.
We don’t need to hate somebody because they have a different opinion then we do.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
lixy wrote:
Duh!
Imagine if the Chinese helped keep Bush in power, would you be happy? Now, Imagine if they invaded your country to remove him from power. Would that not be just as bad, if not worse?
Your sphere of influence doesn’t engulf the known universe, nor can you trump people’s right to self-determination.
Actually the Chinese are trying to get Hillary elected.
But again this is not logical thinking, though such cannot be expected. You are attempting to use faulty metaphors.
Let me try this. Lets say some guy broke into your house, had a knife to your wife’s neck. You grab a gun and shoot him.
“Congratulations, you cold blooded killer. He was a father simply doing his job (robbing people) to feed his children. Would you like it if I walked into your fathers car sales job and shot him? What makes you any different? He wasn’t attacking you was he? So what gives you the moral superiority to kill him?”
And yes this is exactly what it sounds like to me.[/quote]
No let´s stay with the original example:
Some nation is meddling in your region with desastrous results for decades, keeping a brutal tyrant in power, supporting his wars and ignoring his dabblings in genocide.
Then, when he is no longer usefull they kill around 10 million, make another 40 million flee and destroy the power grid, water purification facilities and so on.
The average American would react how?
And how much of a difference would it make if said nation assured you that they are not really targetting civilians, they just die at an artificially accelerated rate.
Feel free do dodge those questions yet again, but then cut the BS about me evading anything.
[quote]orion wrote:
No let´s stay with the original example:[/quote]
Of course, because you can’t deal with it unless it is under your twisted terms.
And here you make faulty assumptions. Did we keep him in power? No, he took it and kept control through an iron fist. Do not pass off blame. We did supply some assistance, but we were actually a very small player. We were not barely as beneficial as many try to make it out to be.
I think you mean we killed like 42 billion or something like that. Then we raped all the women, killed all the animals, then raped all the dead animals, took all the oil, and beer, and impaled all the children.
Well lets see. You have a complete fantasy running here which does not match reality in any way shape or form, and then expect some sort of answer to your twisted question.
[quote]And how much of a difference would it make if said nation assured you that they are not really targetting civilians, they just die at an artificially accelerated rate.
Feel free do dodge those questions yet again, but then cut the BS about me evading anything.
[/quote]This is the same thing as, “Have you stopped beating your wife?”
And yes this whole post of yours is a way of twisting and distracting from the real discussion. Your whole argument is in the realm of fantasy with the rules written my you.
Unfortunately I expect you to continue on this course, even though your tactics are exposed.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
orion wrote:
No let´s stay with the original example:
Of course, because you can’t deal with it unless it is under your twisted terms.
Some nation is meddling in your region with desastrous results for decades, keeping a brutal tyrant in power, supporting his wars and ignoring his dabblings in genocide.
And here you make faulty assumptions. Did we keep him in power? No, he took it and kept control through an iron fist. Do not pass off blame. We did supply some assistance, but we were actually a very small player. We were not barely as beneficial as many try to make it out to be.
Then, when he is no longer usefull they kill around 10 million, make another 40 million flee and destroy the power grid, water purification facilities and so on.
I think you mean we killed like 42 billion or something like that. Then we raped all the women, killed all the animals, then raped all the dead animals, took all the oil, and beer, and impaled all the children.
The average American would react how?
Well lets see. You have a complete fantasy running here which does not match reality in any way shape or form, and then expect some sort of answer to your twisted question.
And how much of a difference would it make if said nation assured you that they are not really targetting civilians, they just die at an artificially accelerated rate.
Feel free do dodge those questions yet again, but then cut the BS about me evading anything.
This is the same thing as, “Have you stopped beating your wife?”
And yes this whole post of yours is a way of twisting and distracting from the real discussion. Your whole argument is in the realm of fantasy with the rules written my you.
Unfortunately I expect you to continue on this course, even though your tactics are exposed.
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How much you supported him is up for discussion, that you supported him is not.
That means moral absolutism is officialy off the table then?
My numbers are in no way exagerated.
Since Iraq is actually less then one thenth than the US population wise, I am underestimating the damage that one would have to do to the US.
Feel free to answer my questions any time you like.
A) The average American would react how?
B) And how much of a difference would it make if said nation assured you that they are not really targetting civilians, they just die at an artificially accelerated rate?
[quote]lixy wrote:
The Mage wrote:
Then suddenly he was our guy. Again blaming America. It’s bad if we help keep him in power, and bad if we remove him from power. Well which is it? Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Duh!
Imagine if the Chinese helped keep Bush in power, would you be happy? Now, Imagine if they invaded your country to remove him from power. Would that not be just as bad, if not worse?
Your sphere of influence doesn’t engulf the known universe, nor can you trump people’s right to self-determination.[/quote]
We didn’t put Saddam in power. We didn’t keep Saddam in power. We had relatively minor dealings with him when he was fighting the Iranians with him but they didn’t last because we realized what an evil man he was.
Any time anyone refers to him as “our guy” they are absolutely lying and they are doing it because they have ill intent.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
The Mage wrote:
Then suddenly he was our guy. Again blaming America. It’s bad if we help keep him in power, and bad if we remove him from power. Well which is it? Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Duh!
Imagine if the Chinese helped keep Bush in power, would you be happy? Now, Imagine if they invaded your country to remove him from power. Would that not be just as bad, if not worse?
Your sphere of influence doesn’t engulf the known universe, nor can you trump people’s right to self-determination.
We didn’t put Saddam in power. We didn’t keep Saddam in power. We had relatively minor dealings with him when he was fighting the Iranians with him but they didn’t last because we realized what an evil man he was.
Any time anyone refers to him as “our guy” they are absolutely lying and they are doing it because they have ill intent.
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Well then lets rephrase it:
Imagine if the Chinese had dealt with Bush and ignored his crimes, would you be happy? Now, Imagine if they invaded your country to remove him from power. Would that not be just as bad, if not worse?
[quote]orion wrote:
…
Some nation is meddling in your region with desastrous results for decades, keeping a brutal tyrant in power, supporting his wars and ignoring his dabblings in genocide.
Then, when he is no longer usefull they kill around 10 million, make another 40 million flee and destroy the power grid, water purification facilities and so on.
The average American would react how?
And how much of a difference would it make if said nation assured you that they are not really targetting civilians, they just die at an artificially accelerated rate.
Feel free do dodge those questions yet again, but then cut the BS about me evading anything.
[/quote]
Utter and complete horseshit. The US has been trying to get Saddam out for years. The Russians and Europeans have been propping him up with the oil for food scam, selling him arms and other things for their own economic benefit.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
…
Some nation is meddling in your region with desastrous results for decades, keeping a brutal tyrant in power, supporting his wars and ignoring his dabblings in genocide.
Then, when he is no longer usefull they kill around 10 million, make another 40 million flee and destroy the power grid, water purification facilities and so on.
The average American would react how?
And how much of a difference would it make if said nation assured you that they are not really targetting civilians, they just die at an artificially accelerated rate.
Feel free do dodge those questions yet again, but then cut the BS about me evading anything.
Utter and complete horseshit. The US has been trying to get Saddam out for years. The Russians and Europeans have been propping him up with the oil for food scam, selling him arms and other things for their own economic benefit.
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And, dodging the question, version 107.
The average American would react how?
And how much of a difference would it make if said nation assured you that they are not really targetting civilians, they just die at an artificially accelerated rate.
[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
…
Some nation is meddling in your region with desastrous results for decades, keeping a brutal tyrant in power, supporting his wars and ignoring his dabblings in genocide.
Then, when he is no longer usefull they kill around 10 million, make another 40 million flee and destroy the power grid, water purification facilities and so on.
The average American would react how?
And how much of a difference would it make if said nation assured you that they are not really targetting civilians, they just die at an artificially accelerated rate.
Feel free do dodge those questions yet again, but then cut the BS about me evading anything.
Utter and complete horseshit. The US has been trying to get Saddam out for years. The Russians and Europeans have been propping him up with the oil for food scam, selling him arms and other things for their own economic benefit.
And, dodging the question, version 107.
The average American would react how?
And how much of a difference would it make if said nation assured you that they are not really targetting civilians, they just die at an artificially accelerated rate.[/quote]
Since your question is not based in reality and is inflammatory hateful bullshit it does not deserve an answer.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
…
Some nation is meddling in your region with desastrous results for decades, keeping a brutal tyrant in power, supporting his wars and ignoring his dabblings in genocide.
Then, when he is no longer usefull they kill around 10 million, make another 40 million flee and destroy the power grid, water purification facilities and so on.
The average American would react how?
And how much of a difference would it make if said nation assured you that they are not really targetting civilians, they just die at an artificially accelerated rate.
Feel free do dodge those questions yet again, but then cut the BS about me evading anything.
Utter and complete horseshit. The US has been trying to get Saddam out for years. The Russians and Europeans have been propping him up with the oil for food scam, selling him arms and other things for their own economic benefit.
And, dodging the question, version 107.
The average American would react how?
And how much of a difference would it make if said nation assured you that they are not really targetting civilians, they just die at an artificially accelerated rate.
Since your question is not based in reality and is inflammatory hateful bullshit it does not deserve an answer. [/quote]
1 million of Iraquis are not dead that would not have died otherwise?
4 million are not displaced?
The US does not have more than 10 times as many inhabitants?
Dodging number 108, and again:
Then, when he is no longer usefull they kill around 10 million, make another 40 million flee and destroy the power grid, water purification facilities and so on.
The average American would react how?
And how much of a difference would it make if said nation assured you that they are not really targetting civilians, they just die at an artificially accelerated rate.
Plus, my hateful BS does not kill people.
Your reality avoidance issue does.