OK in an attempt to try to better explain my thoughts on the subject:
Theres a huge difference between expressing your feelings of sensitivity when it comes to a bumble bee buzzing around in a patch of pansies while you sip on your ice cold lemonade on a summers day. As opposed to showing some respect, and compassion to a loved one that has passed away.
The first making yourself a pansy, while the second one should be perfectly OK to feel that way and still be a T-man.
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You can’t really compare 9/11 to the Holocaust, Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima etc. The loss of life may be less but let’s remember, this tragedy happened on AMERICAN soil. I think that’s the difference. Plus, I don’t think enough time has passed.
Schindler’s List wasn’t made 5 years after the Holocaust. Nor were the other movies. I didn’t know any victims of 9/11 but that doesn’t mean I don’t grieve for them. I’d rather be a grieving pussy than the alternative.
I agree that it is too soon for those that are grieving, but its not too soon to be used as a reminder for those who have already forgotten, and belive me, there are a lot of them. We as a country can never forget that day, and the heroes on this flight. Im sure that the terrorists haven`t forgotten, if they could do it again, they would.
[quote]alstan90 wrote:
NorskGoddess wrote:
bronco68 wrote:
It’s propaganda at its finest…
No one knows for sure what happened on that flight. This movie is bullshit.
Ummm… how do you figure? People on the planes placed phone calls – to 911 operators, friends and family. They are the first hand accounts of what happened on that flight, and these phone calls are what is being used to piece together details. Not to mention the information garnered from the black box cockpit recordings.
Of course don’t know “exactly” what happened – but do we ever? Did it stop us from making movies about the Titanic, the Holocaust, the Oklahoma City Bombing, the Rowandan Genocide, etc etc? Or is this all “propaganda” too?
Those phone calls were fake, I wouln’t want to buy into this crap about the us govt being involved in the attacks though, as thats just obviously bullshit, however. Their were some tests done by scientists over here, replicating the altitude and speed the plane was believed to have been travelling at, and a signal could not be picked up on any mobiles. The calls that were released were probably just a propaganda tool…
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aaahhhhh!!!
Seriously, I give up. How wonderfully ambiguous: “Tests”? By “scientists?” WOW! It must be factual! Thank you for all the factual evidence that you’re providing to back up your completely inane thoughts.
I probably just need to stay away from threads like these to avoid this feeling — you know, the one where I want to gauge my eyes out with a spoon, crawl into a hole and avoid other members of the human race.
When I used to lurk, and never really post, I would read the intelligent and sensible posts by people such as Prof X and Nephorm (and MANY others) and think – wow, these guys really have their heads on straight. I wouldn’t always agree, but at least it was decent, human discussion.
I guess sometimes you just have to jump in to see how damn shallow the stream really is.
[quote]SLERG wrote:
I agree that it is too soon for those that are grieving, but its not too soon to be used as a reminder for those who have already forgotten, and belive me, there are a lot of them. We as a country can never forget that day, and the heroes on this flight. Im sure that the terrorists haven`t forgotten, if they could do it again, they would.[/quote]
Anyone that has forgotten about watching that plane fly into the WTC on live TV is going to forget this movie in a week. People like that can’t be helped.
[quote]NorskGoddess wrote:
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aaahhhhh!!!
Seriously, I give up. How wonderfully ambiguous: “Tests”? By “scientists?” WOW! It must be factual! Thank you for all the factual evidence that you’re providing to back up your completely inane thoughts.
I probably just need to stay away from threads like these to avoid this feeling — you know, the one where I want to gauge my eyes out with a spoon, crawl into a hole and avoid other members of the human race.
When I used to lurk, and never really post, I would read the intelligent and sensible posts by people such as Prof X and Nephorm (and MANY others) and think – wow, these guys really have their heads on straight. I wouldn’t always agree, but at least it was decent, human discussion.
I guess sometimes you just have to jump in to see how damn shallow the stream really is.
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I know how you feel.
[quote]spartanpower wrote:
Vegita wrote:
are you two (you and the one above you) even listening to what your fucking writing? “don’t be macho” “be sensitive” People fucking die, live with it, don’t run and hide and mourn, stand up and celebrate thier lives, show the good they did, in this case, this dude saved peoples lives by fucking up some terrorist peices of shit who hijacked his plane.
There’s a difference between masculine and stupid. There’s a time for work and a time for celebration. What time is it right now? It’s time to finish the job and kill the camel-fucking bastards responsible, in the most efficient manner possible. When that’s over and done with, some celebrating will definitely be in order.
My grandmother died a couple years ago… I didn’t have the balls to cry or feel bad for this woman, thats not how she was reaised and thats not what she wanted.
I take it your g-ma didn’t die in the WTC, so this is completely irrelevant.
Do you think the people who died in the 911 attacks are sitting in the afterlife somewhere wishing more people felt bad and sensitive for them? If yes then you are out of your mind. They want us to be the brazen americans we were before the attacks, they want us to throw our culture back into the extremists faces, being “sensitive” is only recently introducing itself into american culture, and if you follow the atomic dog at all, you’ll know that many of us here think it’s a cancer for testosterone loving men and our society as we know it.
Sensitivity is also a non issue, though I agree that it’s ruining our society, along with a few accomplices.
So yes I think you are both being pussies. In fact, I have relatives who died in pearl harbor, and relatives who lived through it. I have talked with the living opnes about the 911 sensitivity bullshit and they agree that our country is way too fucking light these days. Do you even remember what our response was to pearl harbor? 2 fucking nukes. Was it right? i’m not too sure if the japanese would go as far as saying this today or not, but in another 100 years maybe… They are alot better off right now than they ever were, or ever would have been had it not happened. We shocked the shit right out of them and they submitted to our will almost immediately then we rebuilt them. Was it brutal? Of course, was it effective? no doubt.
The nukes weren’t our answer to Pearl Harbor. They were our best alternative to a full-scale invasion of the Japanese mainland. Learn your history.
If you think I’m a pussy for wanting to finish the enemy before we celebrate our victory, then you have a strange definition of the word. It’s funny how the internet allows/compels people like you to insult others without fear of repercussions.
Are nukes the answer this time? probably not. Is overwhelming force followed by a compassionate helping hand good at showing people you don’t hate them, and that you actually want them to be well off, just don’t fuck with us in the process? Yea that generally works.
Nukes could be the answer to a number of our problems. Unfortunately our government doesn’t have the balls to do much of anything these days. They just talk tough, not unlike yourself.
Some of you seemed to have missed my point in the first memo. If this film makes you angry at terrorists, good, if it makes you proud of americans good. If you feel any other emotions out of watching this film, do me a favor and do some soul searching. Do the dead americans whant you to feel that way, are you really doing it for them, or are you a weak pussy who needs those emotions to hide the shit stain you left in your pants from being so afraid of this situation and the future of our society.
More tough talk. I’m not impressed.[/quote]
I’d much rather be an internet toughguy than an internet pussy. Ok just playing with ya there but still, the only reason I was prompted to respond on an internet forum was because someone was acting like a pussy on an internet forum, what am I to do, drive to thier house and tell them to stop being a pussy on the internet? I don’t get what your point is.
I’m not complaining about people mourning the loss of the people who died in the WTC, Especially not direct family or friends. I am calling people sensitive bitch pussies for wearing it on thier sleves 5 years later in a movie theater for the sake of gaining attention. Again, I’m not calling you a pussy unless you feel the need to remind everyone every 10 seconds that you lost someone in 9/11 or that it effects you emotionally. How the hell does doing that do anything helpfull or productive. 10% of opening day sales going to the families sounds pretty productive to me. I also agree with whoever said that this “war” isn’t going to be over in my lifetime or probably any of ours. So basically your telling me it’s always going to be too soon to celebrate the heroics of that day. I wish they would make another movie about the strength and heroics of the firefighters and police who had to deal with the event. Now that would be a seriously good movie. It’s almost mythical the amount of courage and strength these people showed and someone like you would have us not celebrate that because you might get reminded of someone you lost? I believe it was you who said that if you forgot about your lost loved one already this movie will only bring back that feeling for a week or two. And if you have not forgot about that lost loved one, which I hope you haven’t, then what is the problem with a movie like this? It’s going to bring back memories that you already think about on a daily basis? This argument is absurd.
V
““If “Fahrenheit 911” wasn’t too soon then why would it be too soon to see the REALITY of 9/11?””
Lol?lol
Yah the Hollywood version is the real REALITY as opposed to ?Fahrenheit 911? a documentary which makes no statements but merely presents the public with data for discussion.
""Seriously, I give up. How wonderfully ambiguous: “Tests”? By “scientists?” WOW! It must be factual! Thank you for all the factual evidence that you’re providing to back up your completely inane thoughts.
I probably just need to stay away from threads like these to avoid this feeling — you know, the one where I want to gauge my eyes out with a spoon, crawl into a hole and avoid other members of the human race.“”
WOW!! ?Reports? done by the government on what really happened, now THEY must be factual. The fact still remains that no one knows what the hell happened. However, there is WAY too much inconsistency in all 4 events to conclude that Flight 93 was rescued by the passengers. But wait!!! Wouldn?t that make a great movie depicting Americans as heroes? I can?t wait for the Pentagon Movie to come out?the one where the ?CNS? of America is attacked and there?s no video footage of the plane hitting the headquarters of our National Defense.
Now to crawl away from the human race, are you referring to your contempt of people using there human race tools such as logic and rationale thought? Because last I checked ?those? were the people that want to crawl into a hole avoid the other members of society.
[quote]steelo wrote:
Yah the Hollywood version is the real REALITY as opposed to ?Fahrenheit 911? a documentary which makes no statements but merely presents the public with data for discussion.
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No, you’re right. Micheal Moore didn’t have an agenda while producing that “documentary”. And it didn’t lean just slightly to the left. And it wasn’t meant to be anti-Bush. My mistake.
(and like I said in my other post, I disagree the the Bush administration on many other levels, so there!)
[quote]steelo wrote:
However, there is WAY too much inconsistency in all 4 events to conclude that Flight 93 was rescued by the passengers.
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The cockpit recording device reveals sthat they never DID break into the cockpit, and the last thing that is heard is the hijackers saying “bring it down, put it down.” And I think that this movies portrays that consistantly, at least from what I have heard. They didnt’ break in, but it was the passengers bravery in the face of death that inspires people.
[quote]steelo wrote:
Now to crawl away from the human race, are you referring to your contempt of people using there human race tools such as logic and rationale thought? Because last I checked ?those? were the people that want to crawl into a hole avoid the other members of society.
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You know, I’ve read this 5 times and I still have no idea what you’re saying.
Perhaps I’m lacking in “logic and rationale (sic) thought” because I’m not like people using there (sic) human race tools."
[quote]spartanpower wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dude, it’s Jimmy Hendrix not Jim Morrison. Why the fuck does the black man always get the shaft!?
Maybe it’s because Shaft was a black man? Seriously though, I thought it was Jimmy Hoffa, but whatever.[/quote]
I though it was Jimmy Fallon. Wait, I WISH it was Jimmy Fallon.
I just want to jump in a clear a few things up that I’ve read on this thread.
1st - Nukes weren’t exactly our response to Pearl Harbor. I know this has eluded to, but the nukes came 4 years after the attack on Pearl Harbor. 4 years of world war.
2nd - About this Hollywood business. The studio saying they’ll donate 10% of opening weekend PROFITS is just more of the increasingly slimey Hollywood hype. There’s almost no such thing as opening weekend profits. Unless you’re talking about a super blockbuster(this isn’t), movies take at least several weeks to turn a profit, and most don’t until they are released on DVD(if they make one at all).
I think this movie is another example of Hollywood trying to capitalize on tragedy. Maybe I shouldn’t say this, but I’ve seen enough 9/11 footage for awhile. The last thing I want to do is fork over my $9.00 to see more of it.
I predict this movie bombs, badly. See Jarhead as an example. Americans are reminded daily of the war on terror and don’t want to pay to be entertained by it.
Mojo
[quote]Vegita wrote:
I’d much rather be an internet toughguy than an internet pussy. Ok just playing with ya there but still, the only reason I was prompted to respond on an internet forum was because someone was acting like a pussy on an internet forum, what am I to do, drive to thier house and tell them to stop being a pussy on the internet? I don’t get what your point is.
I’m not complaining about people mourning the loss of the people who died in the WTC, Especially not direct family or friends. I am calling people sensitive bitch pussies for wearing it on thier sleves 5 years later in a movie theater for the sake of gaining attention. Again, I’m not calling you a pussy unless you feel the need to remind everyone every 10 seconds that you lost someone in 9/11 or that it effects you emotionally. How the hell does doing that do anything helpfull or productive. 10% of opening day sales going to the families sounds pretty productive to me. I also agree with whoever said that this “war” isn’t going to be over in my lifetime or probably any of ours. So basically your telling me it’s always going to be too soon to celebrate the heroics of that day. I wish they would make another movie about the strength and heroics of the firefighters and police who had to deal with the event. Now that would be a seriously good movie. It’s almost mythical the amount of courage and strength these people showed and someone like you would have us not celebrate that because you might get reminded of someone you lost? I believe it was you who said that if you forgot about your lost loved one already this movie will only bring back that feeling for a week or two. And if you have not forgot about that lost loved one, which I hope you haven’t, then what is the problem with a movie like this? It’s going to bring back memories that you already think about on a daily basis? This argument is absurd.
V[/quote]
On further review, I agree with you now. I’ve been talking to people about this movie this week. I’ve had to remind almost everyone that flight 93 is in reference to 9/11, and about 1/4 of the people forgot that the Pentagon was hit, and about 1/2 didn’t even know what flight 93 was; they didn’t remember a plane going down in PA. It took everything I had not to choke these stupid fucks. They may forget again a week after they see it, but they need to at least remember for a little while.
So, I think it’s too early for ME to see it, because I remember and I don’t think I’ll be able to control my anger in the theater. Others that are more controlled should do all they can to make sure everyone they know sees it. I can’t believe the apathy/ignorance towards this, the most devastating attack in American history.