Hello, I’m currently pondering about using tren and I’m not too sure how to diet while using. I’ve got amazing gains from a combo of Deca and Test. I’d like to start cutting and I’ve heard tren is great for that but I’ve also read that it may just throw mass on too. I’m 5 10 and sitting at 225 but I would love to try and cut down to 195 and keep as much strength as possible. I’m not too sure how to actually diet properly. Any recommendations?
Ok “flubberypanda…”
First how many cycles have you run? Tren is steroids on steroids, it’s a whole nother animal.
If you are wanting to keep mass while possibly gaining strength while lossing fat there are better options out there. Pick any DHT based compound except adrol. An alternative to DHT compounds is EQ, it’s actually really good for helping increase endurance aka cardio while promoting muscle mass.
As far as helping you with diet…are you serious? This is something you need to line out yourself. You might be stuck because of budget or what is available in the grocery store in your part of the country. I will say I did a variation of high protein and lower fat when I had body fat I wanted to loose. It wasn’t the fastest way but I knew I could do it given I was working on the road at the time. I find my wallet ends up dictating what I can do more than I like.
As far as tren being a cutter or gainer. That is controlled by diet and training just like any AAS.
Go figure out what compounds are available to you then see what you can afford. Then look at what you can manage with diet. Put that together then come ask for input on how to use it to get your desired results.
I have to close with something I have read and said far to often, I notice you did not state your age.
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I’m 23, when it comes to the diet I’ve been doing that keto thing for a solid year now but want to switch back to carbs and up to the point I started tracking fats, I never really paid attention the amount of carbs needed. That’s why the whole diet thing is a semi issue which I know I can solve on my own. Honestly, I’ve only done one. Everything is very new to me but I work in a supplement shop and everyone that runs cycles say tren was amazing. My guy praises it too and so I was wondering whether or not to even mess with it. I’m obviously a newbie and I can only research so much and wish to hear others opinions and experiences.
Like I said tren is steroids on steroids. It is five times as anabolic and five times as Androgenic as testosterone. All other major injectables are well less than twice as anabolic or Androgenic. It’s just an animal. I love it! But it is not something that you should mess with until you have a few cycles and PROPER recovery’s under your belt.
I will try to give you some guidance from experience.
Masteron it is DHT based. It is a wonderful hardener and if you have low body fat going into the cycle it gives an extra polish and definition that others just wish they could. It’s fairly common but it’s more expensive than most.
Anavar again DHT based. It’s an oral but less toxic than most. It’s known as a fat burner but you will get a few quality pounds out of it if do e properly. It’s main quality that guys want is it is an excellent way to push through plateaus especially at the end of a cycle. Unfortunately with how expensive it is it is faked a LOT. Usually in the form of winstrol and dbol mixed together.
Winstrol also DHT. It is a good cutter and hardener. Very common and affordable so it isn’t faked much. Really just used to harden and cut.
Primobolan also DHT. I have never used it because it is faked ALL THE TIME due to it’s cost. Plus to get enough of a dosage you are looking at 500 give or take and that is just the cost of it without any testosterone or PCT. And that’s for a real low dose.
Eq or equipoise it is testosterone based. They originally gave it to horses. It can be used to cut or build it is very versatile. It really is a dual action compound even more so than testosterone. Dose and diet dictates what you get in the end. Fairly affordable and common.
Deca or NPP they are 19 nor like tren. One is long acting other is short. Both are just nandrolone. This is the ONLY steroid used to describe a flacid dick aka Deca dick. If you take this without ALL proper precautions you can become impotent and possibly have long term natural testosterone suppression. Yet so many guys tolerate this one very well and love it. I have never touched it because of Deca dick. Not something you should mess with early in your cycle history.
Given what you stated and if you are dead set on doing a stack, given all the possible outcomes (getting what you actually order, price, ect) then I think a simple stack of testosterone and winstrol is best. If you have any joint issues or baldness in your family then test and EQ. You will need an aromatase inhibitor for either stack plus PCT. Both should simply need Nolvadex or clomid for PCT. For the aromatase inhibitor go read up on arimidex and aromasin then see what is available through your source. If the guy you talk to tries to talk you out of an aromatase inhibitor then he is an IDIOT and nothing he says should be listened to without verification.
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Thank you for the info. I actually took HCG and arimidex for pct after the test and deca. I have heard many people at my gym talk about Anavar and Winstrol for cutting so I’ll just do the research on those also. I don’t start again until October so I have a while before I pick a cycle up again. I’ve heard people taking clomid while on their cycles. While doing the deca and test, I had two buddies of mine that needed to start taking the arimidex half way through too, is this something normal? I didn’t experience any negativity while on my cycle. I haven’t read up on clomid but what I’ve seen about nolvadex it seems to be one of the best for pct. I’m trying to lean out while maintain size, you really think the Anavar or Winstrol will do it for me?
Your buddies should have been taking arimidex from the beginning of the cycle. Basically anything that aromatizes or breaks down into estrogen is what we call a wet compound. Wet compounds are the ones we find the easiest to gain with. Test, Deca, EQ, dbol are all wet. They had to start taking arimidex because they didn’t control the estrogen build up and probably were starting to grow man boobs aka gyno aka bitch tits. Some guys seem to be able to take all the test and Deca in the world and never have any issues but I ALWAYS recommend that even if you do not plan to use it you still have some on hand before any cycle.
I know some guys use arimidex for PCT, really that is not what it is supposed to be used for.
AIs or aromatase inhibitors are arimidex , aromasin, femara. They stop the process where the body breaks down wet compounds and turns them into estrogen. During PCT or really after any cycle our testosterone levels are so low there is no reason to worry about stopping the aromatase process.
SERMs are Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators. The main two are Clomid and Nolvadex. Basically they attach to certain tissues in place of estrogen so there are some situations on cycle where we need them, those situations have to do with certain compounds. Otherwise we use them for PCT because they mimic or trick the body into producing testosterone again. Remember at the end of our cycle we have no or extremely low levels of natural testosterone production. Between clomid and Nolvadex the Nolvadex is a much stronger per mg compound so most guys use it for PCT. There are some of us out there that react to clomid, I myself act like a pregnant chic. It’s fucking sad when man cries at a commercial on the TV…and pathetic.
For you wanting to mainly cut fat while only having minimal muscle gains then pretty much any DHT compound will be good. The one that is known to be better at preserving muscle while dieting is primobolan but like I said it’s expensive and usually fake. Masteron is also good but it more expensive than others and it really shines when you are already at a low body fat precentage. Winstrol is good and affordable not often faked. Anavar is also good but it is faked a lot so beware. If you are planning on really increasing your cardio then look at EQ aka equipoise aka boldenone. I helps increase metabolism but if you are planning on doubling or tripleing your cardio then eq helps you produce more red blood cells and that in turn helps your cardio last longer. Really if you just plan on the dieting to be the driving force behind the fat loss then DHTs are where to look. Stay away from anadrol it is technically a DHT but it is the exception, somehow it is extremely wet even though DHT can’t be broken down into estrogen.
Go read this for a basic yet comprehensive outline of what you should be using to make your decision,
Synergy of Steroids
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Ok my link didn’t copy. Synergy of steroids is on this site under pharma but back in 2012 I think. Maybe the desk top version will let you search “synergy of steroids”
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I don’t think your ready for the dark side Luke…Tren is Darth Vader in a vial… if u haven’t done many cycles yur not ready… U can cut or bulk on it but cutting or bulking is all diet. The chems just help… Try something simple like test prop & anavar or test prop & winny for cutting… not many sides with those 2… With Tren you can get… Tren dick, insomnia, night sweats, rage, bitch tits, nuts the size of peas, not to mention Tren cough… When u inject for first time yur lungs sieze up & yur heart races for 60-90sec some dudes 1st time bitch out and call 911 because they think it’s heart attack… Sorry but yur young & not ready for Tren…She’s a wild bitch & will break you
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