Thanks for the info
No hcg, never have taken it. I’m 60 and my children days are over(hopefully) and my nuts only shrunk a little but not that much and I have felt great since my new dr boosted me from 150 a week to 200 about 2 years ago.
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So far, no one is telling me that Anastrozole is working for them, I guess that’s the reason why they aren’t on the forums lol
I had a hell of a time managing E2 when taking an AI. Tanked it several times and was miserable. The other thing was lipids… @highpull nailed it. The AI dropped my HDL and raised LDL. When ceasing Arimadex these reversed by about 20% improvement in each.
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How much AI were you taking, and how much test, did you take HCG?
140mg test and .4mg Arimadex at the time when I ceased use of the AI and pulled labs about 6 weeks later on straight test of same dose. My Arimadex was compounded in .1mg capsules for easy dispensing of smaller doses. I was very sensitive to it.
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There is a reason your body created free t, DHT and estrogens.
The body produces estrogen in the penis, brain, heart and other muscles and bones. It’s not detectable in the blood. This is science.
99.999999999% of men will never need an ai. Itchy nipples , libido and water retention all get better after the body gets used to the hormones.
Instance gratification is the only reason why most would take an ai. They don’t have the patience to let the T do it’s job.
Sit back and have trust in the body. Libido is effected negatively in all studies when correlated to estrogen. The lower it is the worse it is: the higher the better. That’s with good free t and DHT levels.
Guys who complain of libido Are often on an ai or their dose is too low and estrogen is low. They slowly get off an ai and every single one of the men I know (that have done this) are walking erections. It also lowers their boood pressure, heart rate and lipids normalize.
Go read all of the trt studies showing benefit and you will see none mention an ai or keeping estrogen low. Now go find a study that shows the need for an ai. Lastly, go read the benefits of estrogen in men.
Now ask your doctor why would he block estrogen and where is the scientific literature showing the need for an ai? They will not be able to give you an answer. They picked it up from the body building community.
Today many body builders and power lifters are off an ai. Go watch Stan efferdin. He’s a great man with an excellent education on hormones fitness and diet. He has a video where he says specificslly that he got off an ai and so did his athletes. He stated “less joint problems. Stronger lifting. Better health. Less fat”.
I’m not on an ai. My estrogen is above 50. I feel fantastic and so do dozens of others . If not hundreds of folks who I come across out on the web. They all feel fantastic. Rarely do I see a guy complain of any issues when he gives it time and simply takes T and less the body do the rest.
Good luck.
Wherever, the higher my E2 is, the worst I feel.You a also think that ED or EOD injections are better, while the were worst for me than E3d. There are no absolutes on TRT
Nobody is speaking of absolute. I’m telling you that you can do it without an ai.
Just because your e2 is a little high is not the reason why it’s not working
I also thought trt was not working because everyone pointed to estrogen.
Guess what? It wasn’t.
The body has its own functions. Trying to
Blame a bodily function for causing trt not to work is a bit unrealistic.
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Because fatter doses = more fun
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You emailed me directly and I gave you some advice. It isn’t the E2 giving you issues. 90% of the people here are telling you the same thing. Are you just waiting for the answer you want to hear?
Do daily shots with the amount I told you. No hcg and no AI. Give it time for your body to stabilize. Just do it.
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I really appreciate that you are trying to help me, but I will follow my TRT provider, he’s been doing his job for years, he has more than a thousand patients, is time for me to follow his advice for once. I will do:
100 mg test twice a week
0.25 Anastrazole twice a week
If that doesn’t work, I will follow your advice, keep increasing the test dose until symptoms resolved
You’re going to do the exact protocol that my doc from 4 years ago gave me, until I learned about how this stuff worked and taught him instead, where me modified his own protocol and got better, and then modified his patients protocols and they got better. I thought I would save you 4 years of frustration. Suit yourself. Block your estrogen and then wonder why your libido isn’t improving. Great plan.
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Hey DBossa. I would love to not take an AI. But the HCG is what I fear will aromatase and give me an unbalanced ratio of T/E. I do want to take the HCG because I actually do like how I feel with it. What would tou suggest? 160mg a week split into 2, with 400iu of HCG a week.
I bet 200 dollars he will tell you to split the dose into daily injections and drop the HCG
Im interested in your HCG experience since I hope to be able to start it soon
What do you define by feeling better? Did you start feeling better from the first HCG shot? Did you have some negative sensations from it?
I tried two hcg shots before trt and felt terrible for 2-3 days after each. I wonder if I stick to it whether this crap will disappear…
How about don’t take the AI and give yourself 8 weeks and see. Just because you have a family history of cancer doesn’t mean you go ahead and start chemo. See how it goes then you’ll know.
Why do I have to inject everyday?. Can I just inject E3d?. I feel better with less frequency, my E2 goes up and my FT goes down with higher frequency. I will drop the AI and lower my test dose, so I will do this protocol:
80mg test twice a week
No AI, no HCG
Are you telling me that all the guys that are going to your provider are doing ED injections, and is working for all of them?, regarding their SHBG levels?.
400iu a week of hcg is going virtually nothing for you other than spiking your estrogen out of balance forcing you to take an AI to feel better. This is counterproductive.
Ditch the HCG (unless you have to be fertile right now) and ditch the AI.
If you wind up feeling fine on twice weekly injections do that. If not, try doing more frequent until you find something that works for you. If you still have symptoms after that, increase dose and assess in a few weeks.
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