First Test Cycle - 3/500?

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Title says it all and trying to learn what to roll with, research, etc

27 Y/O, 6 FT 0, 180-175 lbs depending on the day. Have been avid in the gym. Diet is pretty decent. Ran my first orals only cycle for 6 weeks back in last August. Felt great, didn’t retain much as expected.

Had my CDC done. Test levels at 466. Everything else looked good.

Changing the life around again; have been looking into my first pinning cycle. The goal is 190-200 lbs, 8 week cycle is what I would like to run. Do able?

Questions I have are the use of AI’s, which test, and other precautions I should be aware of or take.

For example. Nolvadex, Clomid, HCG, and Arimidex.

I read that an AI should be taken once a week or weekly to inhibit gyno or E2 levels (arimidex). On the other hand, I read that nolva does just that. Reading also people pin HCG to counter act. Some don’t. Some only take an AI when symptoms arise. What’s the go to? What’s the common practice? Or is it all personal preference?

Test Cyp, Test Enan, Test Eq……I’m thinking Enan. Shorter half life for the time I’d like to run… I’d like to stick with 300mg a week. I see people pinning twice a week(split), some say 1 time a week. I believe after reading, 500 a week would be more than I am comfortable with to start.

I’ll be adding Dbol to the cycle for 5-4 weeks. 20-40mg. Yes I’m aware of its hepatoxic affects. I am adding it in for the water retention purposely for the lubrication of my joints and ligaments. My right shoulder had osteolysis 3 years ago… Have been fighting getting lower trap activation to fix winging scapula.

Anyways, I’ll add more to this post after work.

Just looking for more inputs; do & don’ts, recommendations, etc…thank you

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Which orals did you run?

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This a first for me, to hear someone adding Dbol FOR water retention. I always considered joint water retention more as a risk than benefit.

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Let me amend; I am wrong on that lol

It doesn’t. Anavar has some properties for it, not dianabol….

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Anavar and Dbol.

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So, in the period of a full year, you ran a single 6 week cycle of AAS.

Just what did you expect. You took orals for 42 days, of which the first 10 days were used to prime your body for adding strength and muscle. So, IMO, at most, you had the added muscle for 32 days, hoping your body could reset to a higher amount of muscle tissue.

IMO, if you want the added muscle that can be gained using AAS, you need to be willing to take the health risk to be “on cycle” a greater percentage of the year.

I competed over three decades and was “on cycle” at least as much as I was “off cycle.”

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With that height/weight, it doesn’t exactly scream that you’ve even been in the gym. Sorry, but at 6’ tall, if you’ve been training HARD [lol, not “avid”…wtf is that? If you are training to get big/muscular you train hard as fuck] for several years, and had a solid diet (NOT a “decent” diet), you should easily be over 200lbs…probably closer to 225lbs at least! And while your chronological age is old enough to run an AAS cycle, your body seems as if it’s potential has nowhere near been maxed out.

Obviously you are going to do what you want and run a cycle, but you sound just like all the other thousands of guys who come on here thinking if they can just get on the magical gear, they’ll wake up one day and look like the guys on the covers of the magazines. Those guys have WAY more than decent diets, and they train intensely and educate them selves about nutrition, training, etc for many years. They actually train and eat so intensely that they max out their natural genetics, and THEN they make the decision to cycle AAS. All you guys being lazy, or not having any patience to put in the time to build the solid base of muscle, if you just rely on AAS to do it, your gains will not be really that profound because your diet, your training, is lacking. You will add a bunch of water weight, yes, your strength will increase but only while you are on cycle, and you’ll be a puffy dude with some muscle, but all that is making your clothes tighter is water retention. Then you’ll cycle off, lose 95% of your gains because, let’s be honest, with your poor diet/nutrient timing, lack of a solid muscular base, your body will NOT hold onto any of that weight because you never accumulated any significant muscle TISSUE. You’ll probably then get down, jump back on another cycle way too soon, and then again repeat this vicious cycle over and over, completely wrecking your body’s endocrine system/HPTA-axis, but hey, for the periods you are on cycle, those shirt sleeves are pretty tight and you’re certain that the ladies, lol and the guys, are checking you out.

Good luck, who knows, maybe you’ll get lucky and after just “a solid cycle or so” you’ll be the next Arnold.

Can we sticky this response and use for the millions of similar posts? Or at least use as a template for responses?

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Didn’t know I had to fully explain my self & my story. Seeking pharma advice was all it was.

2016 was when I had started to now. Have I had couple months in between I stopped? Sure. Life happens, women, career switch, lack of motivation, running my own business, etc.

At 170 LBS - at my best was a 375 Squat, 405 Conventional grip deadlift, & 245 bench press - 23 years old, about 5000 calories 200g protein a day (mass gainer….:sweat_smile:) Then after so much of overhead lifting, I had to have 14mm of my ac joint shaved off. My bench and anything over head has never been the same since then. Staying anatomically correct on most lifts is a chore. I’ve had many people in the gym ask me why I’m adjusting so much and stopping mid lift. Every day I practice range of motion and have a day dedicated to it.

So now as for going “HARD” is using Arnold’s 5x5 or 5x3 over reaching program on core lifts, moderate 10-12, 8-6, auxiliary lifts.

Currently now - 365 DL, 315 Squat, 225 Bench as of last week. Max out every 6 weeks. Weighed in at 179.3 yesterday. About 150 grams a day from protein - that incorporates 2 shakes. Eggs, Oats, Chicken, Tuna, Bagels, Venison, Yogurt, some soy based protein lol…and others included in my diet. A calculator puts me at an average 3400-3600 calories a day. The occasional servesa on the weekend. Anything else I may add? Not to blame genetics, I was a pretty small fella. Never trained like a body builder. More of just as the intermediate progressive to get stronger. Obviously with strength comes size, and I am willing to dedicate what time I have to do it. AAs are only an add on. Honestly just looking to edge it up once. After that I can maintain better than what I started or began with.

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With food comes size. And strength. You are spinning your wheels doing the same thing and lifting the same weights when bodyweight is your limiting factor. Eggs and tuna are great but throw in a pizza and a burger every once in a while.

This points to technique issues.
You seem to be dedicated enough so my advice would be that your money would be much MUCH better spent on 1 on 1 coaching with a competent coach that will teach you how to properly perform the big movements. If you are in the states look up a Starting Strength certified coach.
Spend your money on food and coaching instead of drugs. You’ll be much closer to your goal if you do that.

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This is a strange situation. If your weight/height is accurate you are extremely strong yet small. 170lb at 6’ is not even average…. You need to spend 6 months on eating and sleeping. Don’t worry I’ll give you your cycle. But clearly recovery is no good. Once you try this gear if you need to eat and sleep optimally to actually gain good size. Also remember with this situation if you take this gear you better be prepared to need trt forever

The cycle
Test E- 300 mg per week split into 2 shots per week (4 months)
Anavar- 20mg 1hr pre workout. 2-3x per week.

Make sure the anavar is real. Otherwise skip the anavar. Keep an aromasin on hand and use only if needed

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When I was in college, before ever lifting weights I was 6’ 0" and weighed 165lbs. I was very average for a male who was not fat, yet fairly athletic.

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Hmm I was speaking about grown men not skinny college kids. I guess I’m here to tell you you were small lol

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That reminds me of back when a workout partner and I were talking after a weight lifting session. We were both about 170lbs then, having gained some muscle. I said, “When we get to 180lbs, we will be huge.”

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