[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Let me think how could saying something about someone that ISN’T TRUE tarnish their reputation?
Are you that stupid? Or are you just so caught up in attempting to push the gay agenda that it means more to you than having at least a smidgen of integrity?
Never mind, don’t answer I already know.
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Mick28 is , like, totally, the cleverest Posta Eva!
See how I claimed something that is not true and yet did not tarnish your reputation?
QED.
If you dont accept genetic evolution discussing genetically carried traits makes no sense.
If you wanna read about gay-genetics take a look at
A lot of research have been performed on these bugs homosexuality. And its all in their genetics.
Us mammals are a bit more complicated. Our genes dont decide who we are, they decide how we develop in the world we are put in. And as someone mentioned, if there was choice involved there would be no gay people. There are clearle a huge biological influence on sexuality. That is what makes homosexuality so interesting.
How in the world could this genetic trait evolve to be so common?
There is something about producing gay off-spring that what will give genes some advantage in the constant evolutionary battlefield.
I dont know what that advantage is.
Perhaps its the fact that a gay off-spring will be a strong partner to its parents in raising even more competetive none-gay off-spring.
Does it really matter?
As a european it doesnt matter the slightest which person the US president wishes to have sex with. What does matter to me is that he might start a war for no good reason that will threaten me and my family.
What will happen is that when a gay presidential candidate arise he will most likely have to overcompensate his stand on issues where people carry prejudice. To have a fighting chance. And that might make him even more dangerous to me.
The miracle I am hoping for right now is an upgrade of the american school system. So the people that elect the most powerful man in the world in the future wont be as ignorant as those who elected George W.
[quote]Jorlen wrote:
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As a european it doesnt matter the slightest which person the US president wishes to have sex with. What does matter to me is that he might start a war for no good reason that will threaten me and my family…
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I heard Obama wants to nuke France but McCain wants to firebomb Germany. Which do you prefer?
If that was all I had to go on I’d go with Obama. Germans love swedes (me) and french people dislike everyone (including me).
That would be the better deal (for me).
Which ever candidate will improve lower level education the most is my hope to win. But I dont know which of the two that would be. And I dont have to know, since I cant vote.
I am not kidding about the schools…
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
I can see that you’re not going to try to back up any of your claims regarding that list you posted.[/quote]
I’ve said that I was willing to back up my claims for any particular people you had a question about. Since I have a little time this morning, here is what we know about some of the people I mentioned earlier. I’m happy to provide additional info if needed.
My point is simply that society has benefited from the contributions of gays over the centuries.
Leonardo da Vinci
When he was twenty-four years old, Leonardo was arrested, along with several young companions, on the charge of sodomy.
Leonardo had no relationships with women, never married, and had no children.
Freud wrote it was â¿¿doubtful whether he ever embraced a woman with love⿦there is no record of any woman in his life – not even a female friendship. On the other hand, he was soon surrounding himself with a constantly renewed court of remarkably beautiful young men.
Gertrude Stein
In 1907, Gertrude met a lady from San Francisco, Alice B. Toklas. Five years later, they moved in together. They lived together for over 30 years until Gertrude’s death in 1946. Back when nobody would ever dare talk about such things in public, Gertrude Stein and Alice B. Toklas were out, on the public stage before the whole world as a couple.
Michelangelo
Serge Bramly, Leonardo: Discovering the Life of Leonardo Da Vinci (1991):
About Michelangelo, Bramly writes “A homosexual, he was torn between his passions and his religion.” p. 344
Michelangelo’s sexuality is revealed in the love poetry he wrote about men:
“If I must be defeated to be blessed,
Don’t marvel that one, naked and alone,
should prove a prisoner of an armored knight.”
“The love I speak of aspires to the heights;
woman is too dissimilar, and it ill becomes
a wise and manly heart to burn for her.”
Tchaikovsky
Wikipedia:
“The importance of Tchaikovsky’s homosexuality and its consequences on the personal expression in his compositions cannot be underestimated. Tchaikovsky’s gayness in itself has been known to the West for at least 75 years, gathered from the composer’s own writings as well as those of his brother Modest, who was also gay.”
“Only now, especially after the story of my marriage, have I finally begun to understand that there is nothing more fruitless than not wanting to be that which I am by nature.”
– letter to his brother, February, 1878
Richard the Lionhearted
Encyclopedia Britannica:
“Richard was irresponsible and hot-tempered, possessed tremendous energy, and was capable of great cruelty. He was more accomplished than most of his royal family, a soldier of consummate ability, a skillful politician, and capable of inspiring loyal service. In striking contrast with his father and King John his brother, he was, there seems no doubt, a homosexual. He had no children by Queen Berengaria, with whom his relations seem to have been merely formal.”
Oscar Wilde
Wikipedia:
“After arriving at Oxford in 1874, Wilde tentatively explored his sexuality, discovering that he could feel passionate romantic love for “fair, slim” choirboys, but was more sexually drawn towards the swarthy young rough trade. By the late 1870s, Wilde was already preoccupied with the philosophy of same-sex love, and had befriended a group of Uranian (pederastic) poets and homosexual law reformers, becoming acquainted with the work of gay-rights pioneer Karl-Heinrich Ulrichs. Wilde also met Walt Whitman in America in 1882, writing to a friend that there was “no doubt” about the great American poet’s sexual orientation â¿¿ “I have the kiss of Walt Whitman still on my lips,” he boasted.”
[quote]Jorlen wrote:
If that was all I had to go on I’d go with Obama. Germans love swedes (me) and french people dislike everyone (including me).
That would be the better deal (for me).
Which ever candidate will improve lower level education the most is my hope to win. But I dont know which of the two that would be. And I dont have to know, since I cant vote.
I am not kidding about the schools…[/quote]
Neither candidate will improve the schools. Bush tried like hell, got bipartisan consensus on his NCLB (his political opposite Ted Kennedy was a major author) and people still complain.
Schooling is a local issue. My school district is one of the best in the state and compares well on an international level.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
I can see that you’re not going to try to back up any of your claims regarding that list you posted.
I’ve said that I was willing to back up my claims for any particular people you had a question about. Since I have a little time this morning, here is what we know about some of the people I mentioned earlier. I’m happy to provide additional info if needed.
My point is simply that society has benefited from the contributions of gays over the centuries.
Leonardo da Vinci
When he was twenty-four years old, Leonardo was arrested, along with several young companions, on the charge of sodomy.
Leonardo had no relationships with women, never married, and had no children.
Freud wrote it was â¿¿doubtful whether he ever embraced a woman with love⿦there is no record of any woman in his life – not even a female friendship. On the other hand, he was soon surrounding himself with a constantly renewed court of remarkably beautiful young men.
Gertrude Stein
In 1907, Gertrude met a lady from San Francisco, Alice B. Toklas. Five years later, they moved in together. They lived together for over 30 years until Gertrude’s death in 1946. Back when nobody would ever dare talk about such things in public, Gertrude Stein and Alice B. Toklas were out, on the public stage before the whole world as a couple.
Michelangelo
Serge Bramly, Leonardo: Discovering the Life of Leonardo Da Vinci (1991):
About Michelangelo, Bramly writes “A homosexual, he was torn between his passions and his religion.” p. 344
Michelangelo’s sexuality is revealed in the love poetry he wrote about men:
“If I must be defeated to be blessed,
Don’t marvel that one, naked and alone,
should prove a prisoner of an armored knight.”
“The love I speak of aspires to the heights;
woman is too dissimilar, and it ill becomes
a wise and manly heart to burn for her.”
Tchaikovsky
Wikipedia:
“The importance of Tchaikovsky’s homosexuality and its consequences on the personal expression in his compositions cannot be underestimated. Tchaikovsky’s gayness in itself has been known to the West for at least 75 years, gathered from the composer’s own writings as well as those of his brother Modest, who was also gay.”
“Only now, especially after the story of my marriage, have I finally begun to understand that there is nothing more fruitless than not wanting to be that which I am by nature.”
– letter to his brother, February, 1878
Richard the Lionhearted
Encyclopedia Britannica:
“Richard was irresponsible and hot-tempered, possessed tremendous energy, and was capable of great cruelty. He was more accomplished than most of his royal family, a soldier of consummate ability, a skillful politician, and capable of inspiring loyal service. In striking contrast with his father and King John his brother, he was, there seems no doubt, a homosexual. He had no children by Queen Berengaria, with whom his relations seem to have been merely formal.”
Oscar Wilde
Wikipedia:
“After arriving at Oxford in 1874, Wilde tentatively explored his sexuality, discovering that he could feel passionate romantic love for “fair, slim” choirboys, but was more sexually drawn towards the swarthy young rough trade. By the late 1870s, Wilde was already preoccupied with the philosophy of same-sex love, and had befriended a group of Uranian (pederastic) poets and homosexual law reformers, becoming acquainted with the work of gay-rights pioneer Karl-Heinrich Ulrichs. Wilde also met Walt Whitman in America in 1882, writing to a friend that there was “no doubt” about the great American poet’s sexual orientation â¿¿ “I have the kiss of Walt Whitman still on my lips,” he boasted.” [/quote]
Gay artists? You must be joking.
[quote]entheogens wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
The Frankfurt School was a group of left-leaning intellectuals,
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is that an oxymoron there? slight understatement at the least, left LEANING.
Richard is new for me. I’m a bit shocked, but it makes absolute sense, as he was an absolute pragmatic warlord and would have boned his majesty for the title alone.
An important homosexual I never find in those lists is…
FREDERICK THE GREAT (probably because Germans find it too shocking)
Had a relationship with an older aristocrat as a prince that was so kinky the king had enough and executed him; according to legend young Fred had to watch; which in turn made the former philosopher and arts lover quite a bloodthirsty, but enomously successful, ruler and commander.
Prussia grew economically, culturally and in power under his leadership.
Another juicy anecdote is how he favorably treated one of his promising officers, the young, handsome stud Frederick von der Trenck. However, after he had an affair with the king’s sister, princess Amalia, he was promptly thrown into the dungeons.
He fathered no children and preferred to spend time with his dogs, who had fabulous names like Madame de Pompidour.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Jorlen wrote:
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As a european it doesnt matter the slightest which person the US president wishes to have sex with. What does matter to me is that he might start a war for no good reason that will threaten me and my family…
I heard Obama wants to nuke France but McCain wants to firebomb Germany. Which do you prefer?[/quote]
France!
No wait, Germany?
Is that a trick question?
Nuking France will poison Europe, but Firebombing a few cities…
Do we get a second Marshall Plan and black GIs who give out candy to children?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Gay artists? You must be joking.
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Lol…it’s interesting how many famous authors, musicians, inventors, etc. are gay. Maybe creative genius is the reason nature decided to keep the gays around in the gene pool.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gay artists? You must be joking.
Lol…it’s interesting how many famous authors, musicians, inventors, etc. are gay. Maybe creative genius is the reason nature decided to keep the gays around in the gene pool.[/quote]
What if one of those geniuses invented a device that would make them not be gay? Would the geniuses lose their abilities because they’re no longer getting reamed by the mailman?
A really good invention would be one that sterilizes gay men once they had sex with another man. Have it implanted at birth and the first time the guy gets it up the poop chute — SNIP!!! How cool would that be?
[quote]forlife wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gay artists? You must be joking.
Lol…it’s interesting how many famous authors, musicians, inventors, etc. are gay. Maybe creative genius is the reason nature decided to keep the gays around in the gene pool.[/quote]
I think not having to deal with women makes them smarter.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
forlife wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gay artists? You must be joking.
Lol…it’s interesting how many famous authors, musicians, inventors, etc. are gay. Maybe creative genius is the reason nature decided to keep the gays around in the gene pool.
What if one of those geniuses invented a device that would make them not be gay? Would the geniuses lose their abilities because they’re no longer getting reamed by the mailman?
A really good invention would be one that sterilizes gay men once they had sex with another man. Have it implanted at birth and the first time the guy gets it up the poop chute — SNIP!!! How cool would that be?
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Better question:
If you would find yourself amidst an old warrior culture like feudal japan or the ancient celts, would you trade your heterosexuality for a far more convenient homo- respectively bisexuality?
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
What if one of those geniuses invented a device that would make them not be gay?
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Given that they’re geniuses, why would they want to do that?
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
forlife wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Gay artists? You must be joking.
Lol…it’s interesting how many famous authors, musicians, inventors, etc. are gay. Maybe creative genius is the reason nature decided to keep the gays around in the gene pool.
What if one of those geniuses invented a device that would make them not be gay? Would the geniuses lose their abilities because they’re no longer getting reamed by the mailman?
A really good invention would be one that sterilizes gay men once they had sex with another man. Have it implanted at birth and the first time the guy gets it up the poop chute — SNIP!!! How cool would that be?
Better question:
If you would find yourself amidst an old warrior culture like feudal japan or the ancient celts, would you trade your heterosexuality for a far more convenient homo- respectively bisexuality?
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Is that why those societies disappeared or were conquered? Becaus they became all homos? It seems logical.
[quote]forlife wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
What if one of those geniuses invented a device that would make them not be gay?
Given that they’re geniuses, why would they want to do that?[/quote]
To avoid be discriminated against? A lot of genius work never gets out because the creator (woman, gay, black, or whatnot) remains unknown. It was only when Christianity liberated humanity from prejudice that such individuals could freely express themselves.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
An important homosexual I never find in those lists is…
FREDERICK THE GREAT (probably because Germans find it too shocking).
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He’s probably not on English lists as much because his life and achievements are less familiar to most anglophones. It’s generally acknowledged by most histories in this language though that he was at least in the “Ambiguously Gay Duo” camp if not the period’s closest equivalent to “out and proud.”