hey guys, i’m looking for some good advice on a first cycle.
some background: i’ve been boxing for about six years and am thingking of making the move to pro. right now i’m 6’4", 250, with about 9% bf… despite my tight diet and rigorous training regimine, i can’t seem to lose this last layer of flab. however, i don’t want to waste away either, i need my bulk, but would like to really tighten it up.
i’m not concerned about drug tests at this point, and i think i have access to just about anything. it is important that i keep my flexibility, and i also have concerns about localized/site injection build-up.
here’s what i’ve been thinking about, let me know what you guys think:
not to be rude but i think that cycle sucks! good thing is though unlike the prepubescent teens that we seem to get around here you have an awesome natural foundation of which to work with.
do you want to be heavier? im not sure i understand your goals. 9% is already prety freaken lean. i dont think it is advisable for an athlete to go much lower than that.
explain your goals a little better and we’ll try to help.
okay, at this point i may just be talking to myself, but…
after reading steroids for dummies, it kinda confirms some of my earlier suspicions, and the reason for the cycle i created.
i want to avoid aromatizable products (aka i’ve already got a little bitch-tititus going, and i don’t want to compound it), so winny and deca with clomid seem to fit the bill. two non-aromatizables with something to restore my natural test levesl.
does this cycle suck b/c it won’t give the massive gains of T? or am i missing something?
clomid during the cycle will not restore t-levels, that would be post cycle. Deca is very supressive, and can cause recovery to take a very long time, which could cause you to lose many of your gains. I say use test enth, cyp or sus, for the first 5-6 weeks, along with deca and start the winny around week 2and use till week 8. stop the deca no later than week six as well as the test. switch to test prop until end of week 8, then start clomid. if using test, then use and anti-estrogen like femera during the cycle. many recomend arimidex, but I have been told by # of people including my doc that it can lower igf-1 levels. look up hcg and how to use it, as well as how to use the clomid
You’re really just scratching the surface in terms of knowledge here. For your own good, read all the steroid related stuff in the newbie thread.
I’m not trying to be a jerk, if we were going to be jerks here, we’d just tell you to go ahead with your deca-winny “cycle.”
Whether or not a steroid aromatizes is of little or no concern provided you are running the proper ancillaries in conjunction with it. Just because you are prone to gyno doesn’t mean you have to limit yourself to non aromatizing drugs.
Oh yeah, and if you were at 9% bodyfat you would be ripped, you wouldn’t have any sort of gut.
Before you do a mass cycle you may want to consider doing a cutting cycle or even losing weight naturally or with the help of Hot Rox.
Listen to everyones advice given and if you’re going to be tested (you said you’re planning on turning pro), definitely drop the deca, as it’ll be in your system for a long time (it’s metabolites will show up on a steroid drug test) .
I noticed that you said you want to shed excess fat and add lean muscle. Do not try and do the impossible of losing fat and gaining mass at the same time. Very few people can do this. You either want to bulk or cut. This is what you need to decide on first. If you want more mass I would size up first and then lose your fat. Being a boxer you should have the discipline it takes to make weight but then again you being a heavyweight you need not worry about that aspect either. You are pretty good size now. I would do a hell of alot of research and then go from there. I would give you some links but I lost alot of information off of my computer when it crashed. Sorry.
Boxalot
Not quite sure what you mean when you say you can’t put any more weight on your legs. Why not? you are a heavyweight after all. Along as its functional mass it should help, especially with power.
You mention localised site-build up. This shouldn’t be a concern as it is bit of a myth though some will say that is does occur. Temporary swelling can result from certain compounds.
Agree with Warhorse, 9% and a gut? I am around 12% but have no gut. You say you have your diet tight but there is always room for improvement. Read something like John Berardis Massive Eating for some good advice to improve your diet.
How will you build your 20lbs of mass? You don’t give any details of your training. Whats the mass for? Strength?
You mentioned your concern about gyno but didn’t mention anything about any anti-e’s. Be sure to use A-dex or Nolvadex. Do a search on both of them and decide for yourself which one is right.