Just wanted to know what you guys think of this for a first cycle.I’m 35,220lbs.,5’10.I have borderline low test,and my estrogen is alittle high.My goal is to bulk.I’ve been working out for about 3 years,but haven’t really got the gains I wanted.My diet is clean and plunty of calories,and 300 to 400 grams of protein aday.
wks.1-6 150mg.EOD test prop,(might front load 150mgs. for first three days.)
wks.1-6 50mgs.ed proviron
wks.1-6 .25mgs adex e3d,ajust as needed.
and nolva on hand if needed.
either standard pct or stais taper,but not sure.
will have enough to do either way.
how low of test levels, and how high of estrogen levels?
Is a script a possibility?
Cycle looks solid IMO, although I’m no vet.
Out of curiousity, what made you decide to do a 6 weeker instead of a 10 week enanthate cycle?
For a first cycle that looks good. 525mg PW is a little low for a 6 weeker generally, but since it’s your first it’ll most likely be plenty, especially if you have low test as you say.
If your natural test production isn’t up to scratch, then you’ll definitely want a very thorough PCT to get it back to 100%. I suggest a 3 week stasis for this cycle and a 3 week taper. You may even want to include a SERM such as nolva(tamoxifen) @ 20mg ED during the tapering period.
Having said that, if you haven’t made decent progress without steroids, don’t expect decent progress with them. They accelerate gains, they don’t create them from nothing.
My test level is3.28 ng/ml out of 2.00-8.10,and my estrogen is20.0 pg/ml out of 7.3-42.59.Which I thoght was in the middle but my Doctor said thats high.
I’m not especting a miracale,but some gains are better than busting your ass and getting nowhere.My Doctor want to retest for my test level in 3 months,she seems to think that it will magically fix itself.Thanks for the advice…
I suspect she means that your E:T ratio is surprisingly high.
Just remember that T-levels aren’t everything.
Women, for instance, despite their low T should still be able to make consistent progress in the gym, which you report you are not.
Make sure you are making some sort of decent progress before you begin AAS, otherwise you will most likely be very disappointed. You’ll gain a lot of water weight and think “ha, that guy was wrong!” then you’ll stop AAS and you’ll be back to square 1.
Maybe,I talked to a HRT guy last week and he said my level was inadiqute,and if my DR. wouldn’t help they would.But there in FL.I do make small gains,I added a 1/4 inch to my bi’s over the last 7 months.I have decent mass to build on.I’d be happy with any gains.
[quote]forsaken316 wrote:
My test level is3.28 ng/ml out of 2.00-8.10,and my estrogen is20.0 pg/ml out of 7.3-42.59.Which I thoght was in the middle but my Doctor said thats high.
I’m not especting a miracale,but some gains are better than busting your ass and getting nowhere.My Doctor want to retest for my test level in 3 months,she seems to think that it will magically fix itself.Thanks for the advice…[/quote]
I feel you’re pain brother except I’m 19. “You’re not good, but you’re not bad” the bastard said. Well see what the ass says mid-cycle about my test levels (diabolical laughter). We have to fix the damn problem ourselves. Good luck with the cycle.
Thanks
[quote]forsaken316 wrote:
Maybe,I talked to a HRT guy last week and he said my level was inadiqute,and if my DR. wouldn’t help they would.But there in FL.I do make small gains,I added a 1/4 inch to my bi’s over the last 7 months.I have decent mass to build on.I’d be happy with any gains.[/quote]
They are not bad natty gains IME, If they could be made to continue a bit.
Yeah but most of that was when my t level was higher, it dropped in the last three months.So I’m probably looking at TRT in the near future.Even though my T is low I still bust my ass in every workout.
I know your test is low… but believe it or not, i have built muscle while not on ANY exo test and totally shutdown.
Tons of GH and slin… just KIDDING!
Test will increase the amount of muscle you can build through various modes, and is very good at doing so… but growth can still occur with zero/little test in the system.
I think that 3 months after the last noticed gains isnt long - shit, when i never used, i used to gain for about 2 weeks out of every 3 months! And that might be just a few lbs.
I am not trying to piss on your bonfire, but i am a big fan of continuous hard work. Consistency - that is IMO the MOST important thing in any health and fitness efforts as the body needs time to change.
Just playing devils advocate.
However, on the other side of the coin - you are 35, you would definitely benefit from exo test - why not just go onto TRT and leave it at that?
Plus why would you do a taper or PCT to get to below where your levels are now? (as is what will likely will happen - IMO at 35, if you use exo steroids and say goodbye to HPTA function) - wouldnt you prefer a script from a legit doctor if you have low endo test levels?
Brook
I’d much rather have script,my Dr. said TRT cause prostate cancer.After hearing that come out of her mouth Idon’t think she’ll be much help.And I think part of my gain was muscle memory,I had to take a couple of months off this spring, because me and the wife were having problems.
Now were seperated and getting divorced.But it did screw up my training for alittle while.I’ve got alittle while before my gear gets here,so I’ll make a few calls tomarrow, see if I can find a local Dr. that can help me with a script.
Ya… get a different doc… women or possibly young men are going to be less sympathetic. Possibly.
Bitch. Tell her tampons cause cancer of the CUNT.
lol,ignorance is bliss…I’m sure I can find a better Dr.
yea sounds like TRT + a little proviron is your best bet. If not cycle looks ok.
Thanks Dave. Brook I called the HRT place in Fl. and the closest office they have is in NJ.So I called the two Endo doc’s in my area and one of them is going to call me back on monday and the other would need a refferal from my Dr…Which I doubt she’ll give me.So I’ll find out Monday…
Good work!
Good luck - i really mean that.
Brook
Thanks Brook, I’ll let ya know how it goes…