Plan on going on my first cycle soon. Wanted some opinions first.
22 years old 6’3 200lbs 5%bf lifting for 8 years
Week 1: 1000mg Test
Weeks 2-12: 500mg Test
Plan on taking nolvadex 2 weeks after at 40/40/20/20
Possibly also planning on taking 0.5mg of AI during the cycle
Is HCG necessary for the 2 weeks between the cycle and PCT?
cycle looks fine, the test will build up fast with a frontload
You might not need arimidex, just go without it and if your nipples get sensetive take 4 times the regular dose and keep going with the regular dose afterwarth everyday till the end of the cycle.
You could take 10mg of nolvadex everyday, it works alot better at preventing gyno without possibly dropping your estrogen too low (low estrogen will surpress your libido)
if your not using hcg to bring your balls back to size your pct won´t work … how are you gonna bring your natural test production back up if you have no balls to begin with?
you can use hcg 2 ways,
either throughout the cycle (250iu x2/week) … doing throughout will prevent your balls from shrinking in the first place (which has alot of benefits over 10 day blast method)
or 500iu/1000iu everyday for 10 days, on day 11 you´d start pct.
With 8 years of experience, i take it for granted you know what works best for you in terms of training and diet
[quote]dutchie1 wrote:
if your not using hcg to bring your balls back to size your pct won´t work … how are you gonna bring your natural test production back up if you have no balls to begin with?
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that is simply NOT true. Don’t tell people things like that. Is hCG desirable? Yes. Does it help? Yes. Can you PCT without it? Absolutely!
A SERM PCT without hCG will still work. It may not recover your levels as fast, but it will work.
Your balls will plump back up from the SERMs. You can even use clomid on cycle at 50mg eod to stop them from atrophying in the first place. That’s what people used to do before hCG became widely available.
There is a school of thought that actually thinks hCG use is harmful…
[quote]dutchie1 wrote:
or 500iu/1000iu everyday for 10 days, on day 11 you�´d start pct.
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this is wrong too. You need to wait a few days between your last hCG shot and start of PCT.
I’m starting to think you suck, and don’t actually know what you’re talking about.
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]dutchie1 wrote:
if your not using hcg to bring your balls back to size your pct wonÃ?´t work … how are you gonna bring your natural test production back up if you have no balls to begin with?
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that is simply NOT true. Don’t tell people things like that. Is hCG desirable? Yes. Does it help? Yes. Can you PCT without it? Absolutely!
A SERM PCT without hCG will still work. It may not recover your levels as fast, but it will work.
Your balls will plump back up from the SERMs. You can even use clomid on cycle at 50mg eod to stop them from atrophying in the first place. That’s what people used to do before hCG became widely available.
There is a school of thought that actually thinks hCG use is harmful…[/quote]
According to shadow pro he thinks it’s harmless, also hcg is in your body 4 days, nolva needs about the same time to build up …
so you’ll just ignore the bit about saying a PCT without hCG won’t work? Probably for the best. Let’s just forget it ever happened.
And you can frontload Nolva, just by the way…
Dutchie should not be giving advice on this forum. You’re a moron. Please stop giving out misleading advice
To the original poster, first of all, yes, you should have an AI on hand. You may or may not need it, but with 1000mg front load I would say you are definitely going to need it to cut down on the bloat, and estrogen related sides.
Second of all, your PCT will still work without HCG. HCG is used to keep your testes functioning by mimicking LH (test) and other similar hormones released by the pituitary during cycle. It prevents testicle shrinkage and just makes recovery easier. You do not NEED hcg, but I personally will not cycle without it.
I run my HCG weeks 6-12 at 500iu per week, or 250iu on injection days. I also follow it up with a 10 day blast, starting the day of your last pin at 500iu per day, stopping 3-4 days before PCT to give it time to clear.
Also, just a suggestion. Instead of front loading with 1000mg of test the first week why not just run DBol for weeks 1-4 at 30-50mg a day? I honestly think youd benefit more from that. Youll see faster results and its most cost effective. Just my .02 though. Good luck
That’s for the advice guys. I think I’ll definitely use HCG now and I probably will end up using dbol instead of the front load. I might as well also run AI throughout the cycle just to be on the safe side