New to this forum, cycled Test and EQ about two years ago then had a major back surgery, havnt done anything since, I have a little belly now just from poor diet which I’ve been cleaning up. I want to stack muscle back on QUICK and am thinking running test, adding in Dbol like 2 weeks into using test.
So my question to anyone who can chime in is #1 does that sound like a good compound for what I’m looking for, and #2 seeing how I have a slight belly (not obese by any means just a belly) is my stomach gonna blow up even bigger? I understand water retention that comes with it, but if I stick to clean eating and my daily gym regiment,will the Dbol and T burn out that fat I have sitting above my waist and build the muscle and size I’m looking for? Sorry if a bit long, and hope my questions make sense how I worded them. Any advice would be killer thanks
No, anabolics aren’t great for losing fat. That comes from caloric restriction. Most guys who start off too fat don’t have the results they want (myself included in the past).
Tbol or Anavar would be better for your goals, but losing the gut and putting on muscle is a tough task. I’ll say it can be done if you are underdeveloped, but then you shouldn’t really be using steroids anyways. Perhaps if you used to have significantly more muscle than now, muscle memory will help you. I’d still recommend losing the fat first.
Loaning the thread as he mentioning oral steroids.
Is there any other option out there beside cycle on only test? Or do people mostly cycle only on test and stack with some anavar into it these days? I mean for example Deca, dbols or other oral? what are common or best for building mass?
Anything that can supply E2 and an androgen in theory can work. Deca, Dbol, Trestolone (MENT), and of course Testosterone.
Best for mass building would be the stuff people consider strong. Tren, Deca, Anadrol, Dbol, MENT… Test works too, but won’t put on the weight like those mentioned (same with EQ).
A lot of people make this complicated haha. You really only have a few options. Almost everyone runs Test, so you have like Test and Deca, or Test and Tren, or Test and EQ. Perhaps Test, EQ and Tren or Test, Deca and Tren (I wouldn’t do two progestin drugs though, but I also am pretty conservative). Orals should only really be run short duration, so those are for breaking plateaus or peaking strength, or getting ready to step on stage.
Personally, I have only run Test and a few orals (Tbol, Anavar, and Anadrol, and I’d only run Tbol again out of those). I’d probably only be willing to run EQ if I wanted another injection steroid.
Tbol and Anavar aren’t great mass builders. I see the use for them as increasing gym performance, or perhaps adding a small cosmetic boost if you are under 10% body fat. I couldn’t tell I was taking Anavar TBH. Some like it. Tbol did what I expected Anavar to do. I seemed to be just a bit stronger, and could get that extra rep (and consistently workout to workout). That is why I like it.
Test and Deca is classic. It is a great mass and strength stack. Some guys do seem to have issues with Deca though. Personally, I’d use Test and EQ if I was going to use two injectable steroids.
You won’t get as much out of EQ for mass, but you won’t lose much when you stop taking it. Deca is notorious for the gains disappearing after stopping.
A lot depends. Depends on a lot of things. Genetics, age, where you are with training, how you train after…
Just my opinion, but I wouldn’t use Deca if you are going to PCT. Deca is for the guys that blast and cruise or are just always on. It’s a long ester, and tougher to recover from. You will need to be off of it for a lot longer before PCT.
NPP would be better. It is the same drug, but short ester. Personally, I wouldn’t do that and PCT either.
You do have to worry about EQ with the long half life as well. I suppose with both of these (EQ and Deca), you could stop them a month before you stop the Test to have things clear for a more straight forward PCT.
Something to think about for you. If you are going to return to natty, does it make sense to use anything more than what it takes for you to be at your natural limit? You will return to that over time anyways.
I am not willing to use a big cruise dose, so I also don’t use big blast doses. It is just renting the muscle IMO. It will fall off over time if the gear that built the muscle isn’t there anymore (given it is past what I can hold on TRT levels).
Yeah, and vascularity. It’s a slow and steady drug. Some really like it, others are meh. I’ve never taken it, but it is in consideration for my goals. Some say it is good for strength as well.
IMO, a very poor choice. Get your muscle memory gains. When you plateau, then you can start a cycle. You will be beginning with more muscle and more strength when you start the cycle. That is, you can better use the AAS. To start AAS before reclaiming you muscle memory gains is foolish.
To think that you should “jump start” a come back is parallel that your first AAS cycle should be 2 grams/wk, so that you can get the most out of the cycle.
People just don’t keep all the gains that they made on a cycle. IMO, they keep some of them. Enough that you are much better off having done the cycle that to have stayed natural. The next cycle you will quickly regain those last cycle gains and add additional gains going forward. I call it two steps forward and one step backward.
Do note that I was “on cycle” more weeks per year than “off cycle.”
Consider that I always took orals (plus 2 injectables), so I got a quick response in strength starting a cycle (about 10 days). I usually did 8 weeks “on” followed by 6 weeks “off.”
I usually stayed right at or just below 500mg/wk AAS. If I had a targeted contest I did a 12 week cycle followed by 6 weeks “off cycle”.
I still don’t understand this. Dbol does what test does, just way worse for you, so just take more test, right? There’s reasons to add Anadrol, or Var or Winstrol, but I still don’t understand using Dbol with test.
Anyway, rant over.
Just take test, that’s all you need. AAS aren’t efficient fat burners, so it’s not gonna burn your belly fat off, but you can regain some muscle and worry about the BF later
I’ve thought before that if I wasn’t on TRT / cruise, that I’d maybe do a dbol only cycle. One could do like 6 weeks with HCG and perhaps small doses of adex, then stop and do PCT starting the next day. Very little time shut down would be the advantage. E2 would be there (well methyl E2, but it seems to function the same).
I bet if done right, there would be very little time with low T where gains could be lost. The gains aren’t going to be the same as a longer cycle, but I think there would be kept gains.