First Cycle H-Drol

Pharma
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I have never used roids, or ph’s but honestly OP those meals look like a joke. Im 18 and 175 and my breakfast looks like this 5 whole eggs, 1.5 cups of oatmeal with a bannanna and dried figs, and about 4 cups of milk. 1 egg and fruity pebbles? WTF?!?! I think this is why most people see roid and ph’s as an easy way out.

You can bet your ass off that a natty is gonna be pissed when hes stuffing his face all day then sees some kid thats eat fruity pebbles and 1 egg in the morning blowing right past em in the gym. get your diet right dude, your probably gonna get flamed in like two seconds anyway.

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Bonez how tall are you i just started working out about 3 months ago and have gone from 150 to 173-74 i hold basically no fat but i look absolutely nothing like you. i would of honestly guessed you were 210-215 by your avatar. im 5’8".

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I’m 5’7. I have really small joints and a small frame so I guess the mass just looks bigger.

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Woah. Thats pretty freaky dude. thats crazy how genetics could contribute so much to how two people look at the (almost) the same weight and height. lol, anyways keep up the good work.

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[quote]fightnight1 wrote:

[quote]benmoore wrote:
I could give you a rough outline for a format that seems to be popular here:

Run h-drol at 75-100mg - below 75mg seems to yield little no to results going on reports. It can be run higher as long as its under 6 weeks as its relatively easy on the liver vs. other methyls. Keep the liver supps up though!

Run h-drol for 6 weeks… people seem to report back that it takes a while for h-drol to kick in. Some people have suggested using another methyl (preferably a type 1 - h-drol is a type 2) to kick start the cycle.

You will likely need another bottle of h-drol.

Up nolva dose to 40/40/20/20… 40/40/20/10… or something similar. OTC test boosters and similar products are like a drop in the ocean during your PCT… perhaps delay them till mid PCT or save till after. It certainly wouldn’t hurt to use your suggested product but Tribulus containing compounds seem to be very popular.

Also as far as support supps go - Im quite fond of CEL’s Cycle Assist… but thats just me. One tub will last you about 4 weeks.

No AI required.

A couple of suggested cycles:

Week 0: cycle assist max dose
Week 1: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 2: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 3: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 4: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 5: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 6: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 7: nolva 40mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 8: nolva 40mg, generic liver protection supp
Week 9: nolva 20mg, generic liver protection supp, herbal test booster
Week 10: nolva 20mg, generic liver protection supp, herbal test booster
Week 11: herbal test booster
Week 12: herbal test booster

If you can get hold of a bottle of havoc you could run the following (although it will be harder on the liver… providing you don’t abuse your liver on a regular bassis and keep an eye on your health Westclock seems to think that this should be just fine… it IS running two methyls but they are both comparitively weak on the liver). the type 1/type 2 synergy should liven things up and kick start the gains.

Week 0: cycle assist max dose
Week 1: h-drol 75mg, havoc 30mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 2: h-drol 75mg, havoc 30mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 3: h-drol 75mg, havoc 30mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 4: h-drol 75mg, havoc 30mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 5: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 6: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 7: nolva 40mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 8: nolva 40mg, generic liver protection supp
Week 9: nolva 20mg, generic liver protection supp, herbal test booster
Week 10: nolva 20mg, generic liver protection supp, herbal test booster
Week 11: herbal test booster
Week 12: herbal test booster

But these are all just suggestions I have picked up from listening in on the board for a while - make up your own mind =] [/quote]

thanks for the cycle help although i think a h-drol and havoc stack might be a little much for my first cycle. i like the first cycle of h-drol although i think im only going to go up to about 75mg for three weeks. 100mg seems to be a lot and i have been reading that 75mg is a sweet spot for h-drol. also you suggest using activate extreme in mid pct and not right away. Also 20/20/10/10 dosing for nolva would work rather well for this cycle no?
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Try to avoid coming onto a forum simply wanting approval of your current idea - what I suggested above is pretty much a summary of what you will get on this forum from its more respected members with regards to suggestions to a h-drol cycle.

I have heard a whole bunch of reports from people who ran between 50-75mg for 5 weeks or so and said they felt it did NOTHING for them… This comes from people of varying experience/age.

I would say 75mg at 6 weeks would be the MINIMUM I would run for a h-drol cycle - its meant to be a fairly weak compound.

A lot of people have reported it feels slow to kick in… there should be some recomp effects going on from the word go… very slow and steady… but strength gains don’t seem to appear (from reviews) till about 3-5 weeks in… Hence the suggestion of using a kick start. This is all optional of course.

I would suggest running the full dose nolva at 40/40/20/20… nothing worse then a half assed recovery and it seems to be a standard dosing suggested here (and some other boards).

One thing to take in mind when you’re throwing in you’re natural test boosters and the such in PCT… I know on a lot of boards they tell you certain things are CRITICAL with various OTC herbal products and the such… but notice that despite Biotest (who own this board) having two natural test boosters (including the very potent Alpha Male…) you rarely see them suggested in PCT’s here.

Its not because the products are rubbish… its because as someone has put here before… its like “taking a butter knife into a gunfight”. They CAN help… and can certainly boost libido… but Nolva will do the real work.

But again… everything I have learnt could be rubbish! Some more input will be good!

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[quote]Hazzyhazz24 wrote:
I have never used roids, or ph’s but honestly OP those meals look like a joke. Im 18 and 175 and my breakfast looks like this 5 whole eggs, 1.5 cups of oatmeal with a bannanna and dried figs, and about 4 cups of milk. 1 egg and fruity pebbles? WTF?!?! I think this is why most people see roid and ph’s as an easy way out.

You can bet your ass off that a natty is gonna be pissed when hes stuffing his face all day then sees some kid thats eat fruity pebbles and 1 egg in the morning blowing right past em in the gym. get your diet right dude, your probably gonna get flamed in like two seconds anyway.[/quote]
take it easy bro its a lot harder to eat when im at home and not at school i try to make the best of my diet at home. I got work and other things that make me rush around i know this breakfast this morning was weak but not usually how i eat. And there is nothing wrong with Fruity Pebbles, although oat meal is a better choice.

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[quote]benmoore wrote:

[quote]fightnight1 wrote:

[quote]benmoore wrote:
I could give you a rough outline for a format that seems to be popular here:

Run h-drol at 75-100mg - below 75mg seems to yield little no to results going on reports. It can be run higher as long as its under 6 weeks as its relatively easy on the liver vs. other methyls. Keep the liver supps up though!

Run h-drol for 6 weeks… people seem to report back that it takes a while for h-drol to kick in. Some people have suggested using another methyl (preferably a type 1 - h-drol is a type 2) to kick start the cycle.

You will likely need another bottle of h-drol.

Up nolva dose to 40/40/20/20… 40/40/20/10… or something similar. OTC test boosters and similar products are like a drop in the ocean during your PCT… perhaps delay them till mid PCT or save till after. It certainly wouldn’t hurt to use your suggested product but Tribulus containing compounds seem to be very popular.

Also as far as support supps go - Im quite fond of CEL’s Cycle Assist… but thats just me. One tub will last you about 4 weeks.

No AI required.

A couple of suggested cycles:

Week 0: cycle assist max dose
Week 1: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 2: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 3: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 4: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 5: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 6: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 7: nolva 40mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 8: nolva 40mg, generic liver protection supp
Week 9: nolva 20mg, generic liver protection supp, herbal test booster
Week 10: nolva 20mg, generic liver protection supp, herbal test booster
Week 11: herbal test booster
Week 12: herbal test booster

If you can get hold of a bottle of havoc you could run the following (although it will be harder on the liver… providing you don’t abuse your liver on a regular bassis and keep an eye on your health Westclock seems to think that this should be just fine… it IS running two methyls but they are both comparitively weak on the liver). the type 1/type 2 synergy should liven things up and kick start the gains.

Week 0: cycle assist max dose
Week 1: h-drol 75mg, havoc 30mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 2: h-drol 75mg, havoc 30mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 3: h-drol 75mg, havoc 30mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 4: h-drol 75mg, havoc 30mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 5: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 6: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 7: nolva 40mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 8: nolva 40mg, generic liver protection supp
Week 9: nolva 20mg, generic liver protection supp, herbal test booster
Week 10: nolva 20mg, generic liver protection supp, herbal test booster
Week 11: herbal test booster
Week 12: herbal test booster

But these are all just suggestions I have picked up from listening in on the board for a while - make up your own mind =] [/quote]

thanks for the cycle help although i think a h-drol and havoc stack might be a little much for my first cycle. i like the first cycle of h-drol although i think im only going to go up to about 75mg for three weeks. 100mg seems to be a lot and i have been reading that 75mg is a sweet spot for h-drol. also you suggest using activate extreme in mid pct and not right away. Also 20/20/10/10 dosing for nolva would work rather well for this cycle no?
[/quote]

Try to avoid coming onto a forum simply wanting approval of your current idea - what I suggested above is pretty much a summary of what you will get on this forum from its more respected members with regards to suggestions to a h-drol cycle.

I have heard a whole bunch of reports from people who ran between 50-75mg for 5 weeks or so and said they felt it did NOTHING for them… This comes from people of varying experience/age.

I would say 75mg at 6 weeks would be the MINIMUM I would run for a h-drol cycle - its meant to be a fairly weak compound.

A lot of people have reported it feels slow to kick in… there should be some recomp effects going on from the word go… very slow and steady… but strength gains don’t seem to appear (from reviews) till about 3-5 weeks in… Hence the suggestion of using a kick start. This is all optional of course.

I would suggest running the full dose nolva at 40/40/20/20… nothing worse then a half assed recovery and it seems to be a standard dosing suggested here (and some other boards).

One thing to take in mind when you’re throwing in you’re natural test boosters and the such in PCT… I know on a lot of boards they tell you certain things are CRITICAL with various OTC herbal products and the such… but notice that despite Biotest (who own this board) having two natural test boosters (including the very potent Alpha Male…) you rarely see them suggested in PCT’s here.

Its not because the products are rubbish… its because as someone has put here before… its like “taking a butter knife into a gunfight”. They CAN help… and can certainly boost libido… but Nolva will do the real work.

But again… everything I have learnt could be rubbish! Some more input will be good![/quote]

I see where your coming from and i have read a lot that 75mg-100mg is the sweet spot for h-drol but the only thing i dont understand is why run nolva at 40/40/20/20. wouldnt i want to tapper it down to 10mg instead of dropping it off at 20mg? im just asking as a question only because every other log i have read and other pcts i have looked at seem to run nolva at 20/20/10/10. once again just a question not questioning your logic or knowledge.

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[quote]fightnight1 wrote:

[quote]benmoore wrote:

[quote]fightnight1 wrote:

[quote]benmoore wrote:
I could give you a rough outline for a format that seems to be popular here:

Run h-drol at 75-100mg - below 75mg seems to yield little no to results going on reports. It can be run higher as long as its under 6 weeks as its relatively easy on the liver vs. other methyls. Keep the liver supps up though!

Run h-drol for 6 weeks… people seem to report back that it takes a while for h-drol to kick in. Some people have suggested using another methyl (preferably a type 1 - h-drol is a type 2) to kick start the cycle.

You will likely need another bottle of h-drol.

Up nolva dose to 40/40/20/20… 40/40/20/10… or something similar. OTC test boosters and similar products are like a drop in the ocean during your PCT… perhaps delay them till mid PCT or save till after. It certainly wouldn’t hurt to use your suggested product but Tribulus containing compounds seem to be very popular.

Also as far as support supps go - Im quite fond of CEL’s Cycle Assist… but thats just me. One tub will last you about 4 weeks.

No AI required.

A couple of suggested cycles:

Week 0: cycle assist max dose
Week 1: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 2: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 3: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 4: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 5: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 6: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 7: nolva 40mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 8: nolva 40mg, generic liver protection supp
Week 9: nolva 20mg, generic liver protection supp, herbal test booster
Week 10: nolva 20mg, generic liver protection supp, herbal test booster
Week 11: herbal test booster
Week 12: herbal test booster

If you can get hold of a bottle of havoc you could run the following (although it will be harder on the liver… providing you don’t abuse your liver on a regular bassis and keep an eye on your health Westclock seems to think that this should be just fine… it IS running two methyls but they are both comparitively weak on the liver). the type 1/type 2 synergy should liven things up and kick start the gains.

Week 0: cycle assist max dose
Week 1: h-drol 75mg, havoc 30mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 2: h-drol 75mg, havoc 30mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 3: h-drol 75mg, havoc 30mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 4: h-drol 75mg, havoc 30mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 5: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 6: h-drol 75-100mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 7: nolva 40mg, cycle assist max dose
Week 8: nolva 40mg, generic liver protection supp
Week 9: nolva 20mg, generic liver protection supp, herbal test booster
Week 10: nolva 20mg, generic liver protection supp, herbal test booster
Week 11: herbal test booster
Week 12: herbal test booster

But these are all just suggestions I have picked up from listening in on the board for a while - make up your own mind =] [/quote]

thanks for the cycle help although i think a h-drol and havoc stack might be a little much for my first cycle. i like the first cycle of h-drol although i think im only going to go up to about 75mg for three weeks. 100mg seems to be a lot and i have been reading that 75mg is a sweet spot for h-drol. also you suggest using activate extreme in mid pct and not right away. Also 20/20/10/10 dosing for nolva would work rather well for this cycle no?
[/quote]

Try to avoid coming onto a forum simply wanting approval of your current idea - what I suggested above is pretty much a summary of what you will get on this forum from its more respected members with regards to suggestions to a h-drol cycle.

I have heard a whole bunch of reports from people who ran between 50-75mg for 5 weeks or so and said they felt it did NOTHING for them… This comes from people of varying experience/age.

I would say 75mg at 6 weeks would be the MINIMUM I would run for a h-drol cycle - its meant to be a fairly weak compound.

A lot of people have reported it feels slow to kick in… there should be some recomp effects going on from the word go… very slow and steady… but strength gains don’t seem to appear (from reviews) till about 3-5 weeks in… Hence the suggestion of using a kick start. This is all optional of course.

I would suggest running the full dose nolva at 40/40/20/20… nothing worse then a half assed recovery and it seems to be a standard dosing suggested here (and some other boards).

One thing to take in mind when you’re throwing in you’re natural test boosters and the such in PCT… I know on a lot of boards they tell you certain things are CRITICAL with various OTC herbal products and the such… but notice that despite Biotest (who own this board) having two natural test boosters (including the very potent Alpha Male…) you rarely see them suggested in PCT’s here.

Its not because the products are rubbish… its because as someone has put here before… its like “taking a butter knife into a gunfight”. They CAN help… and can certainly boost libido… but Nolva will do the real work.

But again… everything I have learnt could be rubbish! Some more input will be good![/quote]

I see where your coming from and i have read a lot that 75mg-100mg is the sweet spot for h-drol but the only thing i dont understand is why run nolva at 40/40/20/20. wouldnt i want to tapper it down to 10mg instead of dropping it off at 20mg? im just asking as a question only because every other log i have read and other pcts i have looked at seem to run nolva at 20/20/10/10. once again just a question not questioning your logic or knowledge.
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I am going to be honest here (and I wish more internet pseudo-“gurus” would be!) and admit that I don’t know. Its a protocol that has been used for a long time and hasn’t failed anyone I know of yet!

Remember its not just a case of dodging visible gyno… your hormones could be borked for a long time with an incomplete recovery!

The 40/40/20/20 most likely arose from two things: The need for a larger dose of nolva + the fact that nolva typically comes in 20mg tablets.

I have seen some people cut it down to 40/40/20… no reason why you couldn’t do a 40/30/20/10 or 40/40/20/10 if you really feel the need to taper off.

If I am honest you will be better off hoping some of the regulars pop in here.

Try to avoid calling people “bro” on here - they don’t like it so much and treading on toes is not a good way to receive help.

Again you might want to wait till you are a little older…

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ahh my only problem is i have about 40-42 10mg tablets of nolva. i can order more of the liquid nolva if really needed. Also is it recomended that the activate xtreme is taken with the nolva the day after my last h-drol pill or do i start the activate xtreme in the middle of my pct. correct me if im wrong. And please no flamming why cant we all just help each other out