It might be the kids choice to use gear and he might even do it no matter what is said here. BUT that doesnt mean people have to give advice on how it should be done. He is still a kid. Only 18, his system is still growing and developing. You aiding him in this endeavor is immoral. It is too bad you aren’t mature enough to see that. It was funny how you almost melted because someone twisted your logic back on. You from California?
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LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!! 
If your diet and workout plans are on point, why are your lifts where they are?
You’re right in the sense that a 275 lbs bench is impressive for a 17 year old (I thought you were 19 now tho), but that’s more reason to stay natty and maximize. I think your deadlift is impressive too. But these are hardly genetic limits. If you don’t think you’re capable of doing more naturally, you might need a new hobby.
I’m 31 and my doctor discouraged test, even with blood tests showing that I have Low T (because the range is so big). And unless your doctor is crooked, he’ll discourage it too. But if you want to take medical advice off the juice bros in this subforum or your gym, that’s on you. If our responses are unnecessary, why are you asking us?
You clearly want to hear what you want to hear.
The whole point of a bucket list is to do it before you “kick the bucket” aka die
You have the rest of your life to train and build muscle.
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of course he can. and if he wants to make this choice on his own, he’s free to do so. But you’re kind of ignoring the fact that he posted a thread on the internet asking for input. Soooooo that’s what he’s getting.
Why do you give a shit that people are trying to talk him out of it? By your logic, we shouldn’t be posting, and neither should you. The thread should have been ignored, or it should have ended with ‘cycle looks fine’. Because it does. The thread he proposed is mild, so there’s no real advice that needs to be given to keep him safe in the first place. Nolva pct is appropriate, test boosters are fine. The test dose is reasonable. The duration of the cycle is short, but nothing really wrong with that either.
Anyway. back to the OP…
No, they aren’t. They actually aren’t the least bit impressive. I’m not sure why you think they are. Do you live in a really small town or something? Have you not seen kids your age lifting waaaaay heavier weights, naturally? I certainly have. A 315 squat is fucking poverty, dude. It’s not terrible when compared to the general population, but in the lifting world, it’s nothing.
Really. So you would understand this advice if given to a 17 year old, but not a 19 year old? What the fuck kind of magic do you think happens between 17 and 19 that makes the advice in this thread unreasonable?
It took you 6 years of lifting to reach a poverty squat, and an ok bench and deadlift. so nah. your workouts aren’t on point. Diet probably isn’t either. I doubt you eat enough.
this is actually the very reason why you got the advice that you did. The people who replied to you determined that the risk/reward is prohibitive in your case, and that the only responsible advice to give you is ‘don’t do the cycle’. And I agree. Wait a few years, man. Put up some legitimately good numbers and then reconsider a cycle.
Even if you run a perfect cycle your first time, the safest cycle imaginable, there is still a risk of never recovering from it. Ever. And having to rely on a needle once a week, every week, for the rest of your fucking life. Just consider that as you make that choice. Even though that risk is small, the reward on the other side isn’t particularly substantial either. You’re basically working with, say, a 2 % risk of total shutdown and a lifetime of needles, for the potential reward of like 10 lbs of muscle, that you won’t even keep after pct unless you run more cycles later. That sucks, man. Not good.
Last point, and I’m out: you said you want to compete eventually. You should look at the competitors in non-tested vs ‘natural’ shows. The difference is tremendous. If you do this cycle now, you can never go back to natural. You’ll never be able to compete in that category, and you’ll have to go against the ‘big guys’ for the rest of your life. That may not work out in your favor.
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“The guy is an adult he can make his own choices its his responsibility.”
Flipcollar’s comments, but just as important the statements that he is commenting on, should be pinned at the top of this forum for all young people who think they need to be on gear based on a very limited understanding of the big picture.
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I assume British Powerlifting is the IPF affliate?
here are some natty University records - listed because this is your age range:
Also check out what 84kg women are doing - again, these athletes are natty:
190kg squat
110.5 bench - (she’s comin at you bro )
210 deadlift
get your bench up to 315 and squat 405 both for 5+ reps and then consider gear. As others said you still have a .lot to learn
Use the info on the site, do this
then this
https://www.t-nation.com/training/yearly-strength-plan
-Can make crazy gains at your age, no gear needed
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Good. Youre wrong, but glad you think so.
Pretty much had your exact stats when I was 19 after 1.5 years of lifting. Now(at 23) I got a 350lb Bench, 405lbx5 Squat, and 600+lb Deadlift. Dont do test, just keep working hard.
No one is saying to never use gear. People are saying, wait, slow down, be patient. This is a marathon, not a sprint. Wait till your at least 25 and want to use gear as an option for enhancing a foundation not medically for the rest of your life as a necessity.
according to alcohol.gov.au, three bottles of beer is equiv to 4.2 standard drinks, 4 shots is equiv to 4 standard drinks, therefore it’s safer to slam the shots. Case closed, woooooooottt yeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
(don’t ever drink and drive, I’m making a joke)
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Okay I’ve ready all your replies and advice and I think I will hold off using for another year or two.
For now I’ll just try to mega bulk on like 4500 cals. N hit some serious pr’s
Cheers guys 
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Relatively clean calories I hope, dirty bulking isn’t the way to go natty, and if done on gear may work but is going to cause long term cardiovascular damage. If you eat 4500 Cal’s/day or relatively clean food (natty) at 19 you will have tremendous gains. You can probably get away with cheating once every now and then, how is your metabolism?
meh. it really depends on the individual. I got away with it for years, and never really put on any fat. And I’d say it also depends on how we define ‘dirty’. It’s a pretty ambiguous term. Some people would call drinking whole milk dirty. or eating pasta. stuff like that. I pretty much define dirty as just junk food like ice cream, candy, cookies, chips, sodas, pastries, etc.
how so? like what type of foods are you talking about specifically, and by what mechanism? I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, I’m just interested, because I do eat a lot of crap and feel like I get away with it. But if I’m causing long term damage, I should probably change that, lol.
A lot of guys that age have such fast metabolisms they have to eat a traditional “dirty bulk” style diet to get enough calories to make progress. In fact, most of the guys I work with at that age cant get enough from “clean” foods. A lot of them need 3-5 cheat meals a week or they wo t gain an ounce. When I write it out for them it sure makes me wish I was that age again and could get away with it lol
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Look man,its great to see you would like to progress in building your body, but use that motivation to do it naturally because your going to throw off your hpta and it will screw your natural testosterone levels bringing in another source of testosterone. I hate to throw myself under the bus here but if it means helping someone just a little bit from going through what im going through then so be it but i started at 24 which is 5 years older than when you want to start,26 now and my testosterone is at 278 currently, trying to figure out how to bring it back up. It is HELL living like this but you know what, i made my bed and now i gotta lay in it,and guess what else i also did pct but the sad truth is not everyone will recover but i really believe it couldve have been the fact that i started so young. I made a mistake that has me thinking that TRT will probably be my future for life. Please dont do it man,you got so much ahead of you, your test is already high as it is naturally. Work on your numbers, you could do alot better at your age.
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Sorry for the late reply, I just saw it now. I’m not an expert on this, and honestly diet isn’t my field of knowledge, however I see it like this.
consumption of sugar (in excess) has been linked to an increased risk for a few comorbidities such as obesity, atherosclerotic plaque build-up, insulin resistance, high blood pressure etc.
This study (1) gave 355 overweight/obese people a eucaloric diet (a diet meant eaten at maintenance caloric values), in this diet, sucrose and high fructose corn syrup were consumed at up to 90th percentile values of the control population. Results showed a statistically significant, yet minor, drop in HDL cholesterol and a statistically significant increase in fasting triglycerides. The data from this cohort of individuals states that although blood pressure and other cardiometabolic risk factors aren’t particularly increased, there is an increase in fasting triglycerides and a small, yet statistically significant drop in HDL cholesterol.
Issues regarding fructose
Fructose is the simple carbohydrate that is of most concern as far as to potential long-term cardiovascular damage. Fructose is most concerning because the way it’s metabolized promotes lipid synthesis in the liver, and since it is metabolized without the actions of insulin in the liver, it is proposed it can/may lead to excessive lipid formation and eventually plaque deposition (increased atherosclerosis). It is also hypothesized excess sucrose and fructose could lead to insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome, however the trials related to insulin sensitivity and fructose, whether they have positive or negative outcomes, fail to include a control group, therefore any negative effects occurring may not necessarily be from excess HFCS consumption. This study (2), found that an increased consumption of beverages high in during childhood (in girls…) was associated to a higher level of adipose tissue, however this is a concern at worst as it doesn’t give a specific mechanism, other factors could’ve easily played in such as level as physical activity or amount of dietary fat consumed
Trans fat
A diet high in trans fats has been linked to an increased risk of cardiovascular disease, impaired insulin sensitivity, sudden cardiac death (possibly pro-arrythmiac effects), widespread systematic inflammation, altered lipid profiles and more. Trans fats have now been banned in the United States, with this statement being acknowledged, excess consumption or saturated fat is also associated with a variety of co-morbidities.
Saturated fat and dietary fat in general: various fatty acids have been shown to be able to influence glucose metabolism via the alteration of cell membrane function, gene expression, insulin signaling etc., a few trials have shown that it is likely replacing trans and saturated fats with polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats increases insulin sensitivity and reduces overall risk of contracting type 2 diabetes.
Overall, there isn’t a sufficient conclusion as to the mechanism of the adverse affects of unhealthy eating habits, however I believe there is something to be said about eating badly and the association with insulin resistance and cardiovascular disease.
Whether the adverse affects of a bad diet is a result of secondary outcomes (like eating badly causing obesity and obesity causing adverse effects) I don’t know, however I’m not particularly keen on taking the risk.
I looked at some of your old posts and you’ve come a long way and I commend you for that, do what makes you happy, life is too short to be worrying about everything, I worry about everything and it has a significant impact on my quality of life, so if you can be happy… be happy, it’s worth it!
As to eating dirty, I don’t consider whole milk or pasta eating dirty (I fucking LOVE pasta and whole milk dammit), ice cream is meh, a little bit I wouldn’t consider dirty. Cookies, chips, chocolate, candy soda, yea that’s dirty in my book, however once again it’s moderation, if one (who wasn’t prepping for a comp or anything) had 1-2 cookies a day but otherwise ate clean I wouldn’t say he’s eating dirty… or maybe that’s just me justifying my cookie eating habits
Once again I’m not an expert on this, don’t take advice from me I’m just a kid (not a medical professional), I’m giving you my opinion on the matter, some of my information might be wrong as I’m primarily going off memory.
Also does anyone know what happened to @Thiago_Monteiro ??
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Thanks for asking man! I’m alive!!!
Stop wrinting here for while… but I’m back!
Lol I sometimes read these threads of teenagers saying how they want to do a cycle as entertainment
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