I’m considering this cycle and would appreciate comments.
Some background info on myself:
23 year old male. I have been lifting for 4 years (with the most time off would be a week a year) and train 3 times a week with a trainer. I started at a weight of about 105 and am at 161-165 at a height of 5’5. My body fat is about 16.5 though I haven’t measured in a while.
This will be my first cycle and am looking to put on about 20 pounds that I can keep after the cycle is over with if possible.
The cycle:
weeks 1-4 25 mg of Dianabol (to kick start until test begins to work)
weeks1-10 500 mg of test. Enanthate
weeks11-12 Nolvadex10mg and Proviron 25mg(alternating days)
weeks 13-15 Clomid and Nolvadex
Anti-Estrogens and PCT:
Proviron 25 mg and Nolvadex at 10 mg throughout cycle but alternating each day between the two( example: tuesday proviron 25mg, wed nolvadex 10 mg, thursday proviron 25mg, etc.) For Pct I was thinking to run 100 mg of Clomid for the first week of pct ever day and then the last two weeks run it at 50 mg everyday.
I’m not sure how much Nolvadex I should use though for my 3 weeks of pct and can I drop the proviron for my pct??
Should side effects be under control with this cycle and the precautions I am making with the nolvadex and proviron?
I have a question about when to take the ant-estrogens during the day and the dbol’s. if I get the 5 mg of dbol’s should they be taken then with 5 meals?For the Clomid for pct should I take 50mg in the morning and 50mg at night?
Also, is it an obtainable goal for me to get over 200 pounds at 10% bodyfat with three bulking cycles?
Thanks guys for taking the time to read this. I really appreciate it!!!
First, you might wanna try going natural another year or two and see if you cannot add another 20lbs of lean muscle to your frame. I usually advise people to approach their genetic potential before going beyond genetics.
Having said that I prefer to run test for at least 12 weeks myself though 10 works OK for a first time. Especially since you’re probably going with 2 10ML vials @ 250 per ml.
Anyway, where to start. For your height and training experience you may be able to gain the 20 pounds you desire in that first 10-12 weeks span especially if you attack the weights and get enough sleep; but you likely won’t keep a near-20lb gain post cycle.
Dbol-wise 25mg is fair enough, personally I’d go higher but at 165ish its acceptable. Spacing them out over 5 meals is a good plan.
Opinions vary on this but I am against using nolvadex or Arimidex right from the start of a cycle. Its true some even most people do need these products. But it is not an always, across-the-boards rule. Some people panic at the first size of bloating or water retention. This is not always a bad thing you know. I advise taking AI and or Anti E as needed. 10-20mg of nolva a day for a few days can usually clear up minor issues with E. .5mg a day will do the same A-dex wise.
Proviron is a great friend when running several months of test. Myself I like 25mg ED or 50mg EOD, some like twice this amount or more. Each person finds what works best for them.
PCT wise forget clomid. Nolvadex is better and cheaper for the dosages you need. If you do 10-12 weeks of test you probably should start 4 weeks of nolvadex a week or two after you last shot. 40/30/20/10mg ED per week ought to do the trick Nolvadex wise.
Finally, after three bulking cycles you could have your 200lbs but you might not have the 10%BF if you’re at 16% right now. Test-Dbol is a decent bulker but you won’t get shredded with those products.
Start with this though and for your second and third cycle we can start introducing you to different products
Ok thanks I’ll use Nolvadex for the pct only instead of clomid. Also, if I decide to use a anti-estrogen throughout, would it be best to use 10mg of Nolvadex a day or 25mg of Proviron a day or the original plan I had of using both but alternating days?(but using both may be overkill for a first cycle right?). I very worried of getting a nice set of big breasts…
From my experience, running nolva 10mg e/d throughout the entire cycle really helps my boys from shrinking too much, even on relatively heavy cycles. This of course makes the transition into recovery much easier.
I would also run the prov e/d at 25mg. it seems to work synergistically with the long estered testosterone. Layout looks decent, as far as clomid goes, I have never had any trouble with it and feel like it really aids recovery, it also acts much differently than tomoxifan, and the 2 combined can be a very effective pct. It all depends on how you tolerate it. it makes some guys cry babys, makes me a horny mofo.