First Cycle - 500mg Test E, 20mg Dbol, 20mg Var

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Hello everyone, posting here for the first time from the cold north. Lurked here for a few months while researching how to go about a first steroid cycle. Finally decided on that and have started it. Everyone seems super knowledgeable and helpful here so I really thought it’d be cool to participate while hopefully gaining some insight.

Stats are 173cm, 175lbs, 14 to 15% bf. Im 45 m

My goal is strength straining and gaining mass. I always wanted to do it, never knew how, terribly uneducated, and followed shitty protocols. Working out for probably a cumulative total of 8 yrs throughout my life so far and at about a year consecutive before I started my cycle. I started trt about a year ago also and that is what kicked off this rabbit hole and led me to where I am in the whole thing now.

8 weeks ago jumped the trt from 140mg up to 200mg to see tolerance for it. All was good for 4 weeks and bloods were great. So 4 weeks I decided to start on 500mg test e for a 20 wk cycle. Ordered everything to prepare -aromasin, serm, dbol in case of crashed e2, bystolic in case of bp issues, anavar because why not I’m shopping and i want everything, 5mg cialis for pwo which I stopped because fuck that congestion it brought.

First mistake I made was injecting 500 mg broken into two subq shots per week. That had the effect of redlining my e2 sides to the moon in the 2nd week , took aromasin a few times in a short period, changed my dosage to daily subq pinning, and that resolved everything by the middle of week 3. No AI needed and no e2 sides for almost 10 days now. Really just feeling great.

But I went further down the rabbit hole and have read the shit out of everything about dbol. And I have to say, I really want to try it out for weeks 5 through 8 in my planned 20 week cycle so that would be tomorrow. My plan is to do it in this way: 20mg ED broken up into two doses AM/PM. The reason I want to do it is for the enormous strength increase I’ve read about in a short time period. The reason I want to do it mid cycle is because I have read that the strength gains after stopping well still using Test at high dose are more maintainable. I have picked up Tudca and milk thistle to add into the mix, have a bp medication on hand, and still lots of aromasin. Im ready to be told how shit of an idea this is by the seasoned pros so I can then just do it anyways lol. Nah in all seriousness if this is a terrible idea then I would reconsider.

Additionally, for weeks 14 to 20 i intend on taking 20mg of Var daily to close out the cycle.

No PCT after as I will resume a higher cruise dose of 200mg test e.

Thanks bros

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It’s pretty clear you don’t really know what you’re doing. This is your first cycle. It should be test only for 10-12 weeks. Don’t add more compounds as you won’t know how to deal with any side effects.
Just get through this and if all goes well try another cycle with an oral later this year.

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I think that’s a pretty unfair assessment. I am part of two other groups that establish and have an entire guide dedicated to the first cycle where 12 to 20 weeks is recommended along with okaying an oral.

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Well if you have the answers why are you asking here? Reddit is just about the biggest place of misinformation out there.
I’ve been at this game for quite a while. I’ve competed on stage and helped many people along the way. A first cycle should be test only at 300-500mg/wk. as soon as you start adding other things and sides start coming up you won’t know hat to do because you don’t have the experience. As far as length of the cycle there really is no set in stone timeframe but for health you should keep it to 10-12 weeks you can asses health and recovery.

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I dont have all of the answers just some ideas. Sorry for coming across that way.Your points made are salient and your experience and willingness to share from your base of experience and knowledge is fully appreciated and while i likely won’t change cycle length unless bloodwork says otherwise ( tested every four weeks and is currentlyexcellent), it certainly has me already questioning the notion of using any oral even Var at this time. Im not afraid of side effects and that is why I chose a small dose oral because I can stop it quickly if things go off the rails and with the short half-life it will leave my system quickly! But again your experience is leaning me toward it being a poor idea

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IMO, you need to use reason and think for yourself. These are a few axioms that I believe are critical

  1. Bodybuilding is not remotely related to fast food. It is seedtime and harvest.
  2. Progress is typically slower than any of us like.
  3. Establish a good training and diet plan to add strength and muscle before you take any AAS.
  4. Expect to need to run quite a few AAS cycles to achieve your maximum body mass and composition. (it took me 11 years to reach that level)
  5. Take all AAS with risk:benefit in your mind.
  6. You want incremental progress with every AAS cycle (that is, you want to be a little stronger and bigger at the start of each subsequent cycle)
  7. Start your first cycle with low doses of AAS and only increase (and or stack) if you reach a plateau. (example: I started taking 10mg/day of Dianabol and increased up to 20mg/day of Dianabol over the first six years I used AAS)
  8. Never get above 15% body fat
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Thank you for taking the time to respond in so detailed a manner. Gives me a lot to think about and look toward as I am on my journey.

When you talk about your use of Dbol, was this a dbol only cycle or did you use test as a base?

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It was Dianabol only. During the 1970’s Dianabol only was the AAS starting place. There was significant response with just a little Dianabol.

The idea of a testosterone base started (to my knowledge) about 1978. I started (and stayed) with a 200mg/wk testosterone base in 1978. In 1979 I began stacking an injectable anabolic and an oral anabolic on my testosterone base as the foundation of every AAS cycle from there on. By then I was competing in National contests.

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Oh wow. Bet you have some stories. I’ll have to dig through your post history to read them

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Others have provided good advice. 20 weeks is a long cycle. Normally a long ester Test cycle is 10-14 weeks in duration. I don’t really see issues with adding Dbol in if you “must”. I would add it for the last 4-6 weeks of the cycle. That way you’ve figured out how to manage the Test and any new sides you can attribute to the Dbol should the arise. Yes you would want to split your doses as you’ve stated as it has a short 4-6 hour half life. Also, T solo cycles tend to stall toward the latter part of the cycle so a reasonable dose oral can help drive gains. Def don’t use two orals though, even if not at the same time. Pick the one or the other if you must, but solo Test is best for first timers.

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This seems like reasonable advice. Two people telling me to shorten up the cycle so I’ll change it to 14 wks and add 20mg dbol split daily just for the last 4 weeks. Then when I drop back to trt amount hopefully keep most of the dbol gains expecting to lose all of the water retention.

Thanks

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