[quote]Yogi wrote:
It’s great that someone could be like “go have a beer with your mates” and mean it as an insult.
I’d fucking love to get a beer with dt79 and usmccds! And loads of other posters on here (too many to mention).
[/quote]
Lol, I find it funny that he seems to have said that like its some kind of weird insult.[/quote]
Why would I insult someone only to insult someone? You all seem to rely on peer support in this debate and you don’t bring any point, so as yogi initially proposed it would be appropriate that you get together to have a beer and console yourselves by agreeing that I am a meanie, that you are the voices of reason or whatever you want.
[quote]Yogi wrote:
It’s great that someone could be like “go have a beer with your mates” and mean it as an insult.
I’d fucking love to get a beer with dt79 and usmccds! And loads of other posters on here (too many to mention).
[/quote]
Lol, I find it funny that he seems to have said that like its some kind of weird insult.[/quote]
Oh yeah? Well why don’t you just, like, go have loads of fun with your friends and have, like, a really good time. How’s about that! Eh? Eh?[/quote]
Ooh keyboard warrior eh? You wouldn’t have the balls to say that to my face in real life![/quote]
You and your thoughtful, reasonable discourse! The bunch of you belong together - no one else should have to put up with your shit. [/quote]
and you’d better watch your god damn mouth too or I’ll befriend the shit out of you too an offer to help you move house next time![/quote]
You think my boyfriend won’t have something to say about that? He has a number of weapons (twice as many as I know about) and 150 acres of deep wood. Be careful, or you may find yourself on the right side of a fun day of drinking and shooting at things.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?[/quote]
If you don’t care about someone doing something, why would you fire him over it? It is called integrity.
[/quote]
Sorry, kid. I have told you before that I’m not going to waste my time giving you any attention. [/quote]
Too late. I think you are a degenerate, but now I know you have no integrity too. Why don’t you go with your friends to south-east asia to ‘‘get your number up’’?[/quote]
You are a very confused kid. I’ll make this clear one last time and hopefully you’ll get the message and go pester someone else.
Since you brought up South East Asia, there is a saying in Mandarin that literally translates to “looking down on others through the eyes of a dog”, and I find it a very fitting description of you. And this is why I cannot be bothered with you.
Bye.[/quote]
It’s hilarious that Mr. Integrity here is the same dumbass kid that wanted to hack his college’s admissions office because he was too dumb to plan out his education properly. In light of this it is equally hilarious that he is throwing the word hypocrite around. He probably doesn’t know what it means. [/quote]
Lol. This is why I don’t bother to engage him.
"Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. "[/quote]
Integrity is about internal consistency of moral principle. Not caring about someone doing something but pretending you care to fire him is not having integrity. Doing something you don’t think is a problem and doesn’t hurt anyone but frowned upon is not related to not having integrity. Internal consistency.
Once again you fail. You will come back with a lame ‘’ you are an idiot’’ or variation of it in madarin or whatever because you don’t have anything and … you are an idiot. [/quote]
Oh alright. Just because you are going to have to seek employment in the future and going with this attitude won’t be the smartest thing to do…
You have me confused with your parents or some authority figure in your school life who is obligated to cover your ass and issue punishment as a way of educating you when you fuck up while still looking out for your best interests.
I am not one of them. Your future boss will not be either. If you can’t handle this fact, do not seek employment in the private sector.
As a director of a Company, I have a duty to the Company and it’s stakeholders to act in their best interests. I am personally liable for that. The Company has a duty, and is liable under the employment act(or whatever it’s called in your country), to compensate you fairly as an employee according to it’s provisions.
I am not your friend. I am not your school teacher. If I educate and train you for a higher position, it is because I consider you an asset to the Company.
So, get this part clear: Whatever I do will be consistent with acting in the best interests of the Company, NOT YOURS. In other words, if I fail to sack you when you pull some silly stunt in public, and keeping you will be potentially detrimental to the Company, I will not be doing my duty UNLESS you are big enough of an asset that keeping you will far outweigh any potential losses.
If I let you get away with some socially deviant things which I do not perceive to be affecting your performance, nor a potential threat to the Company as long as it is done in private, you should consider yourself lucky that I am open minded, instead of placing a responsibility to cover your ass on me when things fuck up. Hence, as in the example above, you let your shit go public and soil the Company’s image, you are gone.
Oh wait… you were not expecting this? You expected some sort of pseudo moral debate where you start crying about integrity or whatever equally unrelated nonsense you pull out of your ass to get your way everytime you are denied something you feel you are entitled to? Again, I’m sorry kid, but I think you are old enough to understand that the world doesn’t owe you a living. Do not over-estimate what you’re worth. And, no, stomping the floor and holding your breath still won’t fly with your future employer.
Enjoy your time in school.
And in response to your last line… ni3 shi4 bai2 chi1.[/quote]
Well said, everyone in the private sector should memorize this. [/quote]
Or not. Summary: I act in the interest of my company. The rest is long winded useless rhetoric trying to look like ‘‘the voice of the real world’’ to prove ‘‘a college kid’’ or whatever on internet wrong. Ironic for someone who says he doesn’t have time to waste.
You can’t do everything you want just because it’s in the interest of your company.
[/quote]
I actually didn’t feel good about having laid insults on a college kid with an obvious lack of understanding of the English language the way I normally would with an idiot trying to heckle me, so I was handling you with kid gloves in my last post.
But go ahead and assume you know everything. It’s your life, not mine.
I actually didn’t feel good about having laid insults on a college kid with an obvious lack of understanding of the English language [/quote]
You are a compassionate man to have taken the time to help this kid. If anything you wrote sunk in, you might have saved him some grief. Sometimes you have to take the gloves off to get the point across.
I could only get through about 2 pages of this before I had to comment. For reference, I am the sole owner and employee of a corporation. Most corporations in this country operate with few employees. It amazes me the things people say when they’ve never been in an ownership situation. It’s easy to replace employees? You’ll be replaced in 2 weeks? No one is responsible for their actions outside of work? What the hell is going on here?
If you want to be a racist, sexist, asshole, etc, fine, but do it somewhere where there is an expectation of privacy and your boss doesn’t have to hear about it. Otherwise, fuck you, you’re done. Your actions can drag a corporation into the dirt which can affect not only your boss, but your current and future coworkers. How would you feel if your actions caused a boycott and your boss had to lay off several employees to make up for loss in profits? Gee golly though, it was soooooo hilarious when you said “pussy” on the camera though. Your dumbass friends must be really impressed.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?[/quote]
If you don’t care about someone doing something, why would you fire him over it? It is called integrity.
[/quote]
Sorry, kid. I have told you before that I’m not going to waste my time giving you any attention. [/quote]
Too late. I think you are a degenerate, but now I know you have no integrity too. Why don’t you go with your friends to south-east asia to ‘‘get your number up’’?[/quote]
You are a very confused kid. I’ll make this clear one last time and hopefully you’ll get the message and go pester someone else.
Since you brought up South East Asia, there is a saying in Mandarin that literally translates to “looking down on others through the eyes of a dog”, and I find it a very fitting description of you. And this is why I cannot be bothered with you.
Bye.[/quote]
It’s hilarious that Mr. Integrity here is the same dumbass kid that wanted to hack his college’s admissions office because he was too dumb to plan out his education properly. In light of this it is equally hilarious that he is throwing the word hypocrite around. He probably doesn’t know what it means. [/quote]
Lol. This is why I don’t bother to engage him.
"Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. "[/quote]
Integrity is about internal consistency of moral principle. Not caring about someone doing something but pretending you care to fire him is not having integrity. Doing something you don’t think is a problem and doesn’t hurt anyone but frowned upon is not related to not having integrity. Internal consistency.
Once again you fail. You will come back with a lame ‘’ you are an idiot’’ or variation of it in madarin or whatever because you don’t have anything and … you are an idiot. [/quote]
Oh alright. Just because you are going to have to seek employment in the future and going with this attitude won’t be the smartest thing to do…
You have me confused with your parents or some authority figure in your school life who is obligated to cover your ass and issue punishment as a way of educating you when you fuck up while still looking out for your best interests.
I am not one of them. Your future boss will not be either. If you can’t handle this fact, do not seek employment in the private sector.
As a director of a Company, I have a duty to the Company and it’s stakeholders to act in their best interests. I am personally liable for that. The Company has a duty, and is liable under the employment act(or whatever it’s called in your country), to compensate you fairly as an employee according to it’s provisions.
I am not your friend. I am not your school teacher. If I educate and train you for a higher position, it is because I consider you an asset to the Company.
So, get this part clear: Whatever I do will be consistent with acting in the best interests of the Company, NOT YOURS. In other words, if I fail to sack you when you pull some silly stunt in public, and keeping you will be potentially detrimental to the Company, I will not be doing my duty UNLESS you are big enough of an asset that keeping you will far outweigh any potential losses.
If I let you get away with some socially deviant things which I do not perceive to be affecting your performance, nor a potential threat to the Company as long as it is done in private, you should consider yourself lucky that I am open minded, instead of placing a responsibility to cover your ass on me when things fuck up. Hence, as in the example above, you let your shit go public and soil the Company’s image, you are gone.
Oh wait… you were not expecting this? You expected some sort of pseudo moral debate where you start crying about integrity or whatever equally unrelated nonsense you pull out of your ass to get your way everytime you are denied something you feel you are entitled to? Again, I’m sorry kid, but I think you are old enough to understand that the world doesn’t owe you a living. Do not over-estimate what you’re worth. And, no, stomping the floor and holding your breath still won’t fly with your future employer.
Enjoy your time in school.
And in response to your last line… ni3 shi4 bai2 chi1.[/quote]
Well said, everyone in the private sector should memorize this. [/quote]
Or not. Summary: I act in the interest of my company. The rest is long winded useless rhetoric trying to look like ‘‘the voice of the real world’’ to prove ‘‘a college kid’’ or whatever on internet wrong. Ironic for someone who says he doesn’t have time to waste.
You can’t do everything you want just because it’s in the interest of your company.
[/quote]
I actually didn’t feel good about having laid insults on a college kid with an obvious lack of understanding of the English language the way I normally would with an idiot trying to heckle me, so I was handling you with kid gloves in my last post.
But go ahead and assume you know everything. It’s your life, not mine.
Anyway, you’re now on ignore.[/quote]
I don’t think your understanding of english or the understanding of most people here is better than mine, since your beer friends and you can’t get the facts right from articles before commenting.
When did I assume I knew everything? I think it would help your case if you didn’t make up stuff about me in every post.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?[/quote]
If you don’t care about someone doing something, why would you fire him over it? It is called integrity.
[/quote]
Sorry, kid. I have told you before that I’m not going to waste my time giving you any attention. [/quote]
Too late. I think you are a degenerate, but now I know you have no integrity too. Why don’t you go with your friends to south-east asia to ‘‘get your number up’’?[/quote]
You are a very confused kid. I’ll make this clear one last time and hopefully you’ll get the message and go pester someone else.
Since you brought up South East Asia, there is a saying in Mandarin that literally translates to “looking down on others through the eyes of a dog”, and I find it a very fitting description of you. And this is why I cannot be bothered with you.
Bye.[/quote]
It’s hilarious that Mr. Integrity here is the same dumbass kid that wanted to hack his college’s admissions office because he was too dumb to plan out his education properly. In light of this it is equally hilarious that he is throwing the word hypocrite around. He probably doesn’t know what it means. [/quote]
Lol. This is why I don’t bother to engage him.
"Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. "[/quote]
Integrity is about internal consistency of moral principle. Not caring about someone doing something but pretending you care to fire him is not having integrity. Doing something you don’t think is a problem and doesn’t hurt anyone but frowned upon is not related to not having integrity. Internal consistency.
Once again you fail. You will come back with a lame ‘’ you are an idiot’’ or variation of it in madarin or whatever because you don’t have anything and … you are an idiot. [/quote]
Oh alright. Just because you are going to have to seek employment in the future and going with this attitude won’t be the smartest thing to do…
You have me confused with your parents or some authority figure in your school life who is obligated to cover your ass and issue punishment as a way of educating you when you fuck up while still looking out for your best interests.
I am not one of them. Your future boss will not be either. If you can’t handle this fact, do not seek employment in the private sector.
As a director of a Company, I have a duty to the Company and it’s stakeholders to act in their best interests. I am personally liable for that. The Company has a duty, and is liable under the employment act(or whatever it’s called in your country), to compensate you fairly as an employee according to it’s provisions.
I am not your friend. I am not your school teacher. If I educate and train you for a higher position, it is because I consider you an asset to the Company.
So, get this part clear: Whatever I do will be consistent with acting in the best interests of the Company, NOT YOURS. In other words, if I fail to sack you when you pull some silly stunt in public, and keeping you will be potentially detrimental to the Company, I will not be doing my duty UNLESS you are big enough of an asset that keeping you will far outweigh any potential losses.
If I let you get away with some socially deviant things which I do not perceive to be affecting your performance, nor a potential threat to the Company as long as it is done in private, you should consider yourself lucky that I am open minded, instead of placing a responsibility to cover your ass on me when things fuck up. Hence, as in the example above, you let your shit go public and soil the Company’s image, you are gone.
Oh wait… you were not expecting this? You expected some sort of pseudo moral debate where you start crying about integrity or whatever equally unrelated nonsense you pull out of your ass to get your way everytime you are denied something you feel you are entitled to? Again, I’m sorry kid, but I think you are old enough to understand that the world doesn’t owe you a living. Do not over-estimate what you’re worth. And, no, stomping the floor and holding your breath still won’t fly with your future employer.
Enjoy your time in school.
And in response to your last line… ni3 shi4 bai2 chi1.[/quote]
Translation: I’m a typical backstabbing POS who would gladly throw a dedicated employee or friend under the bus over a simple mistake or inadvertent loss in judgment in a video that has many other situational variables (i.e. aggressiveness by reporter, intoxication, and groupthink) at play during the moment in which the apparently ‘bad’ decision was made. I would do this all for the sake of protecting the bottom line even if there is no concrete proof that such a mistake would lead to an intolerable (or even marginal) decline in profit margins in the long run, because of the fact that I lack the intelligence to understand that such an incident is being fuelled by public outrage which will more than likely die down and be forgotten when another shocking header ends up grabbing their attention. Hence, making the reasoning behind firing the employee (over company image) obsolete in the first place. Furthermore, I am more than willing to allow, and even cater, to your deviant activities so long as they are not brought to the forefront of the public eye, and in the process, end up placing my job at risk. As I do not have the sack to tell my superiors that I knew all along about said employees activities, I believe the best course of action is to sweep it all under the rug as quickly as possible and seperate myself from the situation, rather than ‘take responsibility’ and admit that I knew about said activities, something I love barking on about to others while admitting to not doing it myself. In addition, I like to pride myself on making a scapegoat out of one of my employee to hide my incompetence when it comes to hiring practices, since y’know, its so much easier to just immediately fire without notice, rather than figure out how such a candidate got through the screening and selection process to begin with, and work on fixing those issues
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
I could only get through about 2 pages of this before I had to comment. For reference, I am the sole owner and employee of a corporation. Most corporations in this country operate with few employees. It amazes me the things people say when they’ve never been in an ownership situation. It’s easy to replace employees? You’ll be replaced in 2 weeks? No one is responsible for their actions outside of work? What the hell is going on here?
[/quote]
Youth, inexperience, and, in one particular posters case, a lack of intelligence.
This thread has opened my eyes to the sense of entitlement that has developed among some in this younger generation. I had heard about it, but not seen it for myself.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?[/quote]
If you don’t care about someone doing something, why would you fire him over it? It is called integrity.
[/quote]
Sorry, kid. I have told you before that I’m not going to waste my time giving you any attention. [/quote]
Too late. I think you are a degenerate, but now I know you have no integrity too. Why don’t you go with your friends to south-east asia to ‘‘get your number up’’?[/quote]
You are a very confused kid. I’ll make this clear one last time and hopefully you’ll get the message and go pester someone else.
Since you brought up South East Asia, there is a saying in Mandarin that literally translates to “looking down on others through the eyes of a dog”, and I find it a very fitting description of you. And this is why I cannot be bothered with you.
Bye.[/quote]
It’s hilarious that Mr. Integrity here is the same dumbass kid that wanted to hack his college’s admissions office because he was too dumb to plan out his education properly. In light of this it is equally hilarious that he is throwing the word hypocrite around. He probably doesn’t know what it means. [/quote]
Lol. This is why I don’t bother to engage him.
"Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. "[/quote]
Integrity is about internal consistency of moral principle. Not caring about someone doing something but pretending you care to fire him is not having integrity. Doing something you don’t think is a problem and doesn’t hurt anyone but frowned upon is not related to not having integrity. Internal consistency.
Once again you fail. You will come back with a lame ‘’ you are an idiot’’ or variation of it in madarin or whatever because you don’t have anything and … you are an idiot. [/quote]
Oh alright. Just because you are going to have to seek employment in the future and going with this attitude won’t be the smartest thing to do…
You have me confused with your parents or some authority figure in your school life who is obligated to cover your ass and issue punishment as a way of educating you when you fuck up while still looking out for your best interests.
I am not one of them. Your future boss will not be either. If you can’t handle this fact, do not seek employment in the private sector.
As a director of a Company, I have a duty to the Company and it’s stakeholders to act in their best interests. I am personally liable for that. The Company has a duty, and is liable under the employment act(or whatever it’s called in your country), to compensate you fairly as an employee according to it’s provisions.
I am not your friend. I am not your school teacher. If I educate and train you for a higher position, it is because I consider you an asset to the Company.
So, get this part clear: Whatever I do will be consistent with acting in the best interests of the Company, NOT YOURS. In other words, if I fail to sack you when you pull some silly stunt in public, and keeping you will be potentially detrimental to the Company, I will not be doing my duty UNLESS you are big enough of an asset that keeping you will far outweigh any potential losses.
If I let you get away with some socially deviant things which I do not perceive to be affecting your performance, nor a potential threat to the Company as long as it is done in private, you should consider yourself lucky that I am open minded, instead of placing a responsibility to cover your ass on me when things fuck up. Hence, as in the example above, you let your shit go public and soil the Company’s image, you are gone.
Oh wait… you were not expecting this? You expected some sort of pseudo moral debate where you start crying about integrity or whatever equally unrelated nonsense you pull out of your ass to get your way everytime you are denied something you feel you are entitled to? Again, I’m sorry kid, but I think you are old enough to understand that the world doesn’t owe you a living. Do not over-estimate what you’re worth. And, no, stomping the floor and holding your breath still won’t fly with your future employer.
Enjoy your time in school.
And in response to your last line… ni3 shi4 bai2 chi1.[/quote]
Translation: I’m a typical backstabbing POS who would gladly throw a dedicated employee or friend under the bus over a simple mistake or inadvertent loss in judgment in a video that has many other situational variables (i.e. aggressiveness by reporter, intoxication, and groupthink) at play during the moment in which the apparently ‘bad’ decision was made. I would do this all for the sake of protecting the bottom line even if there is no concrete proof that such a mistake would lead to an intolerable (or even marginal) decline in profit margins in the long run, because of the fact that I lack the intelligence to understand that such an incident is being fuelled by public outrage which will more than likely die down and be forgotten when another shocking header ends up grabbing their attention. Hence, making the reasoning behind firing the employee (over company image) obsolete in the first place. Furthermore, I am more than willing to allow, and even cater, to your deviant activities so long as they are not brought to the forefront of the public eye, and in the process, end up placing my job at risk. As I do not have the sack to tell my superiors that I knew all along about said employees activities, I believe the best course of action is to sweep it all under the rug as quickly as possible and seperate myself from the situation, rather than ‘take responsibility’ and admit that I knew about said activities, something I love barking on about to others while admitting to not doing it myself. In addition, I like to pride myself on making a scapegoat out of one of my employee to hide my incompetence when it comes to hiring practices, since y’know, its so much easier to just immediately fire without notice, rather than figure out how such a candidate got through the screening and selection process to begin with, and work on fixing those issues[/quote]
Translation: I’m a special snowflake and I shouldn’t be held accountable for my actions. The world OWES ME a job for being born and my employer, even though he/she is taking ALL of the RISK, has no right to act in their interest or the interest of the other 99.99% of employees that rely on their jobs and don’t act like complete morons in public. I’m special and I should be treated as such.
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
This thread has opened my eyes to the sense of entitlement that has developed among some in this younger generation. I had heard about it, but not seen it for myself. [/quote]
Beware generalizations. I encounter decent, hardworking kids every day.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?[/quote]
If you don’t care about someone doing something, why would you fire him over it? It is called integrity.
[/quote]
Sorry, kid. I have told you before that I’m not going to waste my time giving you any attention. [/quote]
Too late. I think you are a degenerate, but now I know you have no integrity too. Why don’t you go with your friends to south-east asia to ‘‘get your number up’’?[/quote]
You are a very confused kid. I’ll make this clear one last time and hopefully you’ll get the message and go pester someone else.
Since you brought up South East Asia, there is a saying in Mandarin that literally translates to “looking down on others through the eyes of a dog”, and I find it a very fitting description of you. And this is why I cannot be bothered with you.
Bye.[/quote]
It’s hilarious that Mr. Integrity here is the same dumbass kid that wanted to hack his college’s admissions office because he was too dumb to plan out his education properly. In light of this it is equally hilarious that he is throwing the word hypocrite around. He probably doesn’t know what it means. [/quote]
Lol. This is why I don’t bother to engage him.
"Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. "[/quote]
Integrity is about internal consistency of moral principle. Not caring about someone doing something but pretending you care to fire him is not having integrity. Doing something you don’t think is a problem and doesn’t hurt anyone but frowned upon is not related to not having integrity. Internal consistency.
Once again you fail. You will come back with a lame ‘’ you are an idiot’’ or variation of it in madarin or whatever because you don’t have anything and … you are an idiot. [/quote]
Oh alright. Just because you are going to have to seek employment in the future and going with this attitude won’t be the smartest thing to do…
You have me confused with your parents or some authority figure in your school life who is obligated to cover your ass and issue punishment as a way of educating you when you fuck up while still looking out for your best interests.
I am not one of them. Your future boss will not be either. If you can’t handle this fact, do not seek employment in the private sector.
As a director of a Company, I have a duty to the Company and it’s stakeholders to act in their best interests. I am personally liable for that. The Company has a duty, and is liable under the employment act(or whatever it’s called in your country), to compensate you fairly as an employee according to it’s provisions.
I am not your friend. I am not your school teacher. If I educate and train you for a higher position, it is because I consider you an asset to the Company.
So, get this part clear: Whatever I do will be consistent with acting in the best interests of the Company, NOT YOURS. In other words, if I fail to sack you when you pull some silly stunt in public, and keeping you will be potentially detrimental to the Company, I will not be doing my duty UNLESS you are big enough of an asset that keeping you will far outweigh any potential losses.
If I let you get away with some socially deviant things which I do not perceive to be affecting your performance, nor a potential threat to the Company as long as it is done in private, you should consider yourself lucky that I am open minded, instead of placing a responsibility to cover your ass on me when things fuck up. Hence, as in the example above, you let your shit go public and soil the Company’s image, you are gone.
Oh wait… you were not expecting this? You expected some sort of pseudo moral debate where you start crying about integrity or whatever equally unrelated nonsense you pull out of your ass to get your way everytime you are denied something you feel you are entitled to? Again, I’m sorry kid, but I think you are old enough to understand that the world doesn’t owe you a living. Do not over-estimate what you’re worth. And, no, stomping the floor and holding your breath still won’t fly with your future employer.
Enjoy your time in school.
And in response to your last line… ni3 shi4 bai2 chi1.[/quote]
Translation: I’m a typical backstabbing POS who would gladly throw a dedicated employee or friend under the bus over a simple mistake or inadvertent loss in judgment in a video that has many other situational variables (i.e. aggressiveness by reporter, intoxication, and groupthink) at play during the moment in which the apparently ‘bad’ decision was made. I would do this all for the sake of protecting the bottom line even if there is no concrete proof that such a mistake would lead to an intolerable (or even marginal) decline in profit margins in the long run, because of the fact that I lack the intelligence to understand that such an incident is being fuelled by public outrage which will more than likely die down and be forgotten when another shocking header ends up grabbing their attention. Hence, making the reasoning behind firing the employee (over company image) obsolete in the first place. Furthermore, I am more than willing to allow, and even cater, to your deviant activities so long as they are not brought to the forefront of the public eye, and in the process, end up placing my job at risk. As I do not have the sack to tell my superiors that I knew all along about said employees activities, I believe the best course of action is to sweep it all under the rug as quickly as possible and seperate myself from the situation, rather than ‘take responsibility’ and admit that I knew about said activities, something I love barking on about to others while admitting to not doing it myself. In addition, I like to pride myself on making a scapegoat out of one of my employee to hide my incompetence when it comes to hiring practices, since y’know, its so much easier to just immediately fire without notice, rather than figure out how such a candidate got through the screening and selection process to begin with, and work on fixing those issues[/quote]
That’s pretty much it. If you are the employee the boss might like you a lot as a friend but employee and friend Are different things. If you’re really the boss’s friend then he can fire you and still have a beer with you later right? I mean he’s both your boss and friend like you are his friend and employee.
And if the guy really was a valuable and dedicated employee his value and dedication was weighed by his employer and found not to be greater than the negatives (whatever those are, real or imagined, now or later) associated with keeping him.
I’m really confused by this notion that employment is somehow required to be fair. It would be nice if it was and the law mandates it in certain cases but otherwise it just isn’t. The world is not perfectly consistent and principled, even if you think it should be. You give 40 hours or whatever and you get paid what you are willing to take or have negotiated in pay for that time. That’s the bargain.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
I really don’t see how hard this is to understand.
As an employer, I can tell you this. You can have mass orgies with transsexual midgets for all I care. But if you are caught on, or stupid enough to post your escapades on social media, and the public finds out you are one of my employees, you are gone.
I do not run a billion dollar corporation, nor do I spend millions on lawyers. Would you take my side in this case?[/quote]
If you don’t care about someone doing something, why would you fire him over it? It is called integrity.
[/quote]
Sorry, kid. I have told you before that I’m not going to waste my time giving you any attention. [/quote]
Too late. I think you are a degenerate, but now I know you have no integrity too. Why don’t you go with your friends to south-east asia to ‘‘get your number up’’?[/quote]
You are a very confused kid. I’ll make this clear one last time and hopefully you’ll get the message and go pester someone else.
Since you brought up South East Asia, there is a saying in Mandarin that literally translates to “looking down on others through the eyes of a dog”, and I find it a very fitting description of you. And this is why I cannot be bothered with you.
Bye.[/quote]
It’s hilarious that Mr. Integrity here is the same dumbass kid that wanted to hack his college’s admissions office because he was too dumb to plan out his education properly. In light of this it is equally hilarious that he is throwing the word hypocrite around. He probably doesn’t know what it means. [/quote]
Lol. This is why I don’t bother to engage him.
"Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. "[/quote]
Integrity is about internal consistency of moral principle. Not caring about someone doing something but pretending you care to fire him is not having integrity. Doing something you don’t think is a problem and doesn’t hurt anyone but frowned upon is not related to not having integrity. Internal consistency.
Once again you fail. You will come back with a lame ‘’ you are an idiot’’ or variation of it in madarin or whatever because you don’t have anything and … you are an idiot. [/quote]
Oh alright. Just because you are going to have to seek employment in the future and going with this attitude won’t be the smartest thing to do…
You have me confused with your parents or some authority figure in your school life who is obligated to cover your ass and issue punishment as a way of educating you when you fuck up while still looking out for your best interests.
I am not one of them. Your future boss will not be either. If you can’t handle this fact, do not seek employment in the private sector.
As a director of a Company, I have a duty to the Company and it’s stakeholders to act in their best interests. I am personally liable for that. The Company has a duty, and is liable under the employment act(or whatever it’s called in your country), to compensate you fairly as an employee according to it’s provisions.
I am not your friend. I am not your school teacher. If I educate and train you for a higher position, it is because I consider you an asset to the Company.
So, get this part clear: Whatever I do will be consistent with acting in the best interests of the Company, NOT YOURS. In other words, if I fail to sack you when you pull some silly stunt in public, and keeping you will be potentially detrimental to the Company, I will not be doing my duty UNLESS you are big enough of an asset that keeping you will far outweigh any potential losses.
If I let you get away with some socially deviant things which I do not perceive to be affecting your performance, nor a potential threat to the Company as long as it is done in private, you should consider yourself lucky that I am open minded, instead of placing a responsibility to cover your ass on me when things fuck up. Hence, as in the example above, you let your shit go public and soil the Company’s image, you are gone.
Oh wait… you were not expecting this? You expected some sort of pseudo moral debate where you start crying about integrity or whatever equally unrelated nonsense you pull out of your ass to get your way everytime you are denied something you feel you are entitled to? Again, I’m sorry kid, but I think you are old enough to understand that the world doesn’t owe you a living. Do not over-estimate what you’re worth. And, no, stomping the floor and holding your breath still won’t fly with your future employer.
Enjoy your time in school.
And in response to your last line… ni3 shi4 bai2 chi1.[/quote]
Translation: I’m a typical backstabbing POS who would gladly throw a A.dedicated employee or B.friend under the bus over a[/quote]
Whoa… when did we become friends? First line and there’s already an attempt at building a strawman.
Children make lapses in judgement in cases like this. I know. I was a kid myself. Adults generally don’t. What are you?
Children make bad decisions under such circumstances. Someone making an annual 6 figure salary should possess the ability to exercise better judgement, don’t you think? Again, what are you?
This is your assumption.
I hire professionals to make these assessments for me. Then I make a joint decision by holding a board meeting. Do you understand how much loses and opportunity costs are incurred by firing an employee worth 6 figures an annum?
What do you think I do? Use google?
Oh, now it’s a question of seeking my permission? I thought you guys were getting butthurt about “rights” and intrusion into your private lives?
This may be hard to understand for you, but I do not normally intrude on an adult’s private life because I do not treat them as children.
Never said that. Don’t make things up.
Hey, it’s really not rocket science here.
I am an adult. I like to do funky shit in my private time that the public deems unacceptable. If I get found out by the public I’m screwed. So, by continuing to do this shit, I am ready to bear the consequences for my actions or I would stop doing this shit.
My job is not at risk.
I AM the managing director. My fiduciary duty extends to the Company and protecting the interests of it’s shareholders.
This is like saying the sky is blue.
Why do you insist that I have some sort of responsibility in his affairs? Do I derive some sort of benefit from an employee frolicking with crossdressing midgets? Have I encouraged or helped him cover up his activities?
Man gets caught partaking in a sexually deviant act with his pants down. Causation stems from poor hiring practices. You have a really good sense of logic.
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
This thread has opened my eyes to the sense of entitlement that has developed among some in this younger generation. I had heard about it, but not seen it for myself. [/quote]
Beware generalizations. I encounter decent, hardworking kids every day. [/quote]
Understood. My experience has been good as well. I just keep reading about youthful entitlement, and had not seen it until now. I am sure this is an example of just a minority among the youth.
The whole problem with what happened is the guy had a morals clause in his contract.
Why anybody who is supposed to be a responsible adult would even consider this as a good idea drunk or sober
deserves to get what he gets.
I believe in at will employment (within reason). I don’t believe that anyone is owed a job or a living. As a result of my own career aspirations I would say that I am accustomed to needing to keep my nose cleaner than the majority of people both in my personal and professional lives.
This is not specifically in reference to the incident in question. This guy was not only an idiot but a liability. However, my question is how much influence do we really want employers to have over our off work hours and activities. Do something stupid/vulgar on national TV - get fired? Sure. Deliberately post compromising photos of yourself on social media - get fired? OK. Get tagged in someone else’ social media photo at a bachelor party where things are a little out of hand - get fired? Hmmm. Your boss discovers you have political affiliations he opposes - get fired? Some ex distributes compromising photos/video of you - get fired? Wellll…
My point is, do we really want it to get to the point where everybody lives their lives beginning in high school on egg shells for fear that they get caught doing something that will irrevocably besmirch their reputation in the eyes of some hypothetical future background investigator? Given that we live in an era where much of what we say, do and think is recorded permanently, “expectation of privacy” is an illusion, the public is addicted to being self righteously offended and business/management seems to value knee jerk CYA above virtually all else, is this the direction we, as a society want to go?
There was a certain amount of upset here when it was reported that police background checks requested by employers routinely included information that is protected under Privacy legislation. e.g. employers were not only told about convictions but about charges, involvement in investigations as subjects, witnesses and complainants, non criminal mental health calls and any other police contact or court involvement. That is all privileged information expressly and implicitly protected under the law and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. People were and presumably are being denied employment and volunteer opportunities simply as a result of being named in a police file. Hey, if you’re an HR manager why take the risk? If you witnessed a crime/are involved in an active investigation it provides another easy exclusion criteria when you have more applicants than positions.
I get it. I’m not a beautiful and unique snowflake and it’s a hard old world where the only thing the boss gives a rat’s ass about is the bottom line and we are all disposable tools who exist solely to be used and discarded in pursuit of that bottom line (a myopic business model in my view and that of many visionary business owners, but I digress). If you don’t acknowledge/accept that reality and act accordingly, it’s your ass. My question is, is that how we want it to be? Is that the culture we really want to proudly promote moving forward?
Commerce and enterprise are about profitability. They are also about providing gainful employment for employees, quality goods and services to customers and promoting innovation. In short, enhancing quality of life. The more people’s quality of life you can enhance, both clients and employees, the more money you will make.
[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Your actions can drag a corporation into the dirt which can affect not only your boss, but your current and future coworkers. How would you feel if your actions caused a boycott and your boss had to lay off several employees to make up for loss in profits? [/quote]
It’s like people fail to understand that 999 times out fo 1000 the people in management positions spent times in the rank and file, bottom of the proverbial hill shit rolls down.
A good manager IS putting the interests of the company in the for front because the interests of the company ARE the interests of the employee. Because, and fucking duh that this has to be said, if the company wasn’t there, dude wouldn’t have a god damn job to feel entitled to in the first place.
Good god. Put your grownup panties on and try not to act like a savage in public. It’s really not that hard to do. Billions do it every day.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
I believe in at will employment (within reason). I don’t believe that anyone is owed a job or a living. As a result of my own career aspirations I would say that I am accustomed to needing to keep my nose cleaner than the majority of people both in my personal and professional lives.
This is not specifically in reference to the incident in question. This guy was not only an idiot but a liability. However, my question is how much influence do we really want employers to have over our off work hours and activities. Do something stupid/vulgar on national TV - get fired? Sure. Deliberately post compromising photos of yourself on social media - get fired? OK. Get tagged in someone else’ social media photo at a bachelor party where things are a little out of hand - get fired? Hmmm. Your boss discovers you have political affiliations he opposes - get fired? Some ex distributes compromising photos/video of you - get fired? Wellll… [/quote]
My perspective is, as long as the business in question is privately funded, employment should be at the owners discretion. It is their capital, it is their risk, and it is their choice.
Will there be times when most of us would agree an employee is let go for a minor transgression (tagged on Facebook) or point of view (Is a Democrat), yes. The alternative is worse, imo.
[quote]
My point is, do we really want it to get to the point where everybody lives their lives beginning in high school on egg shells for fear that they get caught doing something that will irrevocably besmirch their reputation in the eyes of some hypothetical future background investigator? [/quote]
I think this idea is a stretch at best. It is costly to investigate a person. Most companies, to my knowledge, do not perform a thorough background check unless the job requires it. HR departments simply don’t have the time or view it as a waste of time (and money) to scroll through Facebook posts of perspective employees. I know of smaller companies that might glance at a Facebook page, but we aren’t talking about an in-depth review of activities. Private lives stay private unless the employee make it public in my experience.
It may also seem counter intuitive, but companies don’t like to get rid of people especially talented ones. There are a number of tangible and intangible costs associated with letting a person go. Everything from a severance package (which I bet the moron in this case got) to on the job training and experience.
[quote]
Given that we live in an era where much of what we say, do and think is recorded permanently, “expectation of privacy” is an illusion, the public is addicted to being self righteously offended and business/management seems to value knee jerk CYA above virtually all else, is this the direction we, as a society want to go? [/quote]
I think this is a stretch also. This sort of thing rarely happens. Preakness happened this past weekend around here and I have yet to hear of a person being fired for acting like a fool. Take it from first hand experience, a lot of people acted like fools on Saturday.
[quote]
There was a certain amount of upset here when it was reported that police background checks requested by employers routinely included information that is protected under Privacy legislation. e.g. employers were not only told about convictions but about charges, involvement in investigations as subjects, witnesses and complainants, non criminal mental health calls and any other police contact or court involvement. That is all privileged information expressly and implicitly protected under the law and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. People were and presumably are being denied employment and volunteer opportunities simply as a result of being named in a police file. Hey, if you’re an HR manager why take the risk? If you witnessed a crime/are involved in an active investigation it provides another easy exclusion criteria when you have more applicants than positions. [/quote]
This I was not aware of and would be interested in reading any info you have on it.
[quote]
I get it. I’m not a beautiful and unique snowflake and it’s a hard old world where the only thing the boss gives a rat’s ass about is the bottom line and we are all disposable tools who exist solely to be used and discarded in pursuit of that bottom line (a myopic business model in my view and that of many visionary business owners, but I digress). If you don’t acknowledge/accept that reality and act accordingly, it’s your ass. My question is, is that how we want it to be? Is that the culture we really want to proudly promote moving forward? [/quote]
I think people take care of each other more often than not. These situations are rare, imo.
[quote]
Commerce and enterprise are about profitability. They are also about providing gainful employment for employees, quality goods and services to customers and promoting innovation. [/quote]
I would argue they are not about providing gainful employment. Gainful employment is a necessary cost of business and valuable employees are an asset to reaching companies goals. Business’ are no more about providing employment than they are about providing any other expense.
[quote]
In short, enhancing quality of life. [/quote]
A good side effect, but nothing else, imo.
[quote]
The more people’s quality of life you can enhance, both clients and employees, the more money you will make. [/quote]
[quote]batman730 wrote:
I believe in at will employment (within reason). I don’t believe that anyone is owed a job or a living. As a result of my own career aspirations I would say that I am accustomed to needing to keep my nose cleaner than the majority of people both in my personal and professional lives.
This is not specifically in reference to the incident in question. This guy was not only an idiot but a liability. However, my question is how much influence do we really want employers to have over our off work hours and activities. Do something stupid/vulgar on national TV - get fired? Sure. Deliberately post compromising photos of yourself on social media - get fired? OK. Get tagged in someone else’ social media photo at a bachelor party where things are a little out of hand - get fired? Hmmm. Your boss discovers you have political affiliations he opposes - get fired? Some ex distributes compromising photos/video of you - get fired? Wellll… [/quote]
My perspective is, as long as the business in question is privately funded, employment should be at the owners discretion. It is their capital, it is their risk, and it is their choice.
Will there be times when most of us would agree an employee is let go for a minor transgression (tagged on Facebook) or point of view (Is a Democrat), yes. The alternative is worse, imo.
[quote]
My point is, do we really want it to get to the point where everybody lives their lives beginning in high school on egg shells for fear that they get caught doing something that will irrevocably besmirch their reputation in the eyes of some hypothetical future background investigator? [/quote]
I think this idea is a stretch at best. It is costly to investigate a person. Most companies, to my knowledge, do not perform a thorough background check unless the job requires it. HR departments simply don’t have the time or view it as a waste of time (and money) to scroll through Facebook posts of perspective employees. I know of smaller companies that might glance at a Facebook page, but we aren’t talking about an in-depth review of activities. Private lives stay private unless the employee make it public in my experience.
It may also seem counter intuitive, but companies don’t like to get rid of people especially talented ones. There are a number of tangible and intangible costs associated with letting a person go. Everything from a severance package (which I bet the moron in this case got) to on the job training and experience.
[quote]
Given that we live in an era where much of what we say, do and think is recorded permanently, “expectation of privacy” is an illusion, the public is addicted to being self righteously offended and business/management seems to value knee jerk CYA above virtually all else, is this the direction we, as a society want to go? [/quote]
I think this is a stretch also. This sort of thing rarely happens. Preakness happened this past weekend around here and I have yet to hear of a person being fired for acting like a fool. Take it from first hand experience, a lot of people acted like fools on Saturday.
[quote]
There was a certain amount of upset here when it was reported that police background checks requested by employers routinely included information that is protected under Privacy legislation. e.g. employers were not only told about convictions but about charges, involvement in investigations as subjects, witnesses and complainants, non criminal mental health calls and any other police contact or court involvement. That is all privileged information expressly and implicitly protected under the law and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. People were and presumably are being denied employment and volunteer opportunities simply as a result of being named in a police file. Hey, if you’re an HR manager why take the risk? If you witnessed a crime/are involved in an active investigation it provides another easy exclusion criteria when you have more applicants than positions. [/quote]
This I was not aware of and would be interested in reading any info you have on it.
[quote]
I get it. I’m not a beautiful and unique snowflake and it’s a hard old world where the only thing the boss gives a rat’s ass about is the bottom line and we are all disposable tools who exist solely to be used and discarded in pursuit of that bottom line (a myopic business model in my view and that of many visionary business owners, but I digress). If you don’t acknowledge/accept that reality and act accordingly, it’s your ass. My question is, is that how we want it to be? Is that the culture we really want to proudly promote moving forward? [/quote]
I think people take care of each other more often than not. These situations are rare, imo.
[quote]
Commerce and enterprise are about profitability. They are also about providing gainful employment for employees, quality goods and services to customers and promoting innovation. [/quote]
I would argue they are not about providing gainful employment. Gainful employment is a necessary cost of business and valuable employees are an asset to reaching companies goals. Business’ are no more about providing employment than they are about providing any other expense.
[quote]
In short, enhancing quality of life. [/quote]
A good side effect, but nothing else, imo.
[quote]
The more people’s quality of life you can enhance, both clients and employees, the more money you will make. [/quote]
Possibly. [/quote]
I pretty much agree with many of your points. I acknowledge that much of what I said that you describe as a stretch is just that. Just thinking it through myself. I’m a little over sensitive as I have lived under a really high level if transparency over the past couple of years (LE volunteering, employment and applications). I have zero expectation of privacy in any area and assume that everything I say and do is going to end up on YouTube. I chose this, so I’m not bitching, but it does affect my perspective.
Regarding business enhancing quality of life, I would submit that if you don’t make someone’s life better you probably shouldn’t get paid. If the market represents the sum of human desire, you can’t get paid without at least helping fulfil someone’s desire if not enhancing their quality of life.
