Finding a Place to Raise a Family

@dchris

CA and OR are likely out due to politics. With this…

…being the crux of the issue. I know there are numerous great communities away from the cities in many blue states. The biggest issue I’m having is deciding if a place like that is going to be tenable in the long run if the USA actually balkanizes. Whether or not that happens in our lifetimes is another question, but my anxiety over my kids well-being forces me to take it into account. (FWIW, I hope it does, as there is no saving it in its current form, but that’s different conversation)

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I totally get wanting to retire there. We actually moved from a SoCal beach town to the Midwest in 2016. Every time we have gone back since then, I am reminded why I wouldn’t move back and certainly don’t want to raise kids there. Don’t get me wrong, it is a beautiful state, and I miss being able to go snowboarding, ride and shoot out in the desert, and hit the beach all in the same day. But, there are so many other overriding factors that make all of that nowhere close to worth it. Two quick examples:

I hung out with the “dealers” in my high school, but when I went through, it was only pot, mushrooms, ecstasy, and a small amount of coke. My little brother who is 5 years younger than me went to the same school and got hooked on heroin which was unheard of when I was there. This started almost immediately after Obama took office and stopped enforcing border policy, so a mass push of street level opiates flooded in from the south. It has only gotten worse.

My wife was a high school English teacher for a charter school that mostly dealt with siblings to the local mexi gang members. She received death threats from students and could hear gunfire down the road regularly. She also felt terrible for some of the parents who were really great people (and brought her awesome food) and tried to do their best, but would still often lose control of their kids to the gangs. This was 8/9 years ago and the teacher friends she’s kept in touch with have said things have gotten much worse there too.

I won’t allow any of that to touch my kids. This isn’t even getting into overcrowding and exorbitant prices or other issues barring CA from my list.

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St Louis MO here… stay away. It’s a liberal sewer. Just west of us are some great communities but liberal locusts are invading

I think a lot of your options are limited by your means and wishes for your children. It sounds like you’ve got your head screwed on right.

A city like Valparaiso, IN is a nice city right in the population ballpark you are looking for in a red state. Moving there will result in your children going to VHS, where they absolutely will have an abundance of pitfalls they could fall into. That’s going to be true at nearly any public school, but obviously to varying degrees. Some kids find a way to do well no matter where they go, but plenty of good ones get led astray all too easily.

Your high school experience sounds very similar to mine, where many of my close friends from normal families in Valparaiso were consumed by drugs way back in the late 90’s, specifically heroin. My little sister definitely got into more stuff than I did (although I never did ecstacy).

Obviously you want the least amount of dysfunction across the board for your kids’ educations and social upbringing. If public school is your likely option, you will need to balance proximity to cities against your wish to keep them as sheltered from dysfunction as possible.

Even then, some seriously messed up stuff happens in rural areas, but it is different than being surrounded by dysfunction on a daily basis with uncontrolled students who are allowed to create a chaotic environment where learning doesn’t actually occur.

Lewiston as it existed a decade ago probably would have been right up your alley. It really was a nice, unremarkable college town that just seemed so normal. Today, your kids would be taught that it is their responsibility to resurrect local addicts, trained on narcan and provided with narcan by Lewiston Public Schools, including middle school. You would only be able to opt out if your kids handed you the letter and you opted them out. Parents were not directly notified. That policy took effect a couple weeks ago.

If you don’t want that for your kids, or you don’t want your daughter to be talked into the idea that she needs testosterone and then ushered into that treatment path as a child WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE, you just need to stay out of blue states. Those are real policies in Maine now. She would also be responsible for the payment of the elective medical procedures she was guided into as a minor.

I feel so bad for all of the young people I see around town now who are obviously undergoing some medical procedures related to gender. The idea that there’s something wrong with their bodies in such a profound way can only be planted by sick adults. It doesn’t just spring up on its own like it has here.

Completely understand. I left Oregon and moved to Texas. Not because it’s red and Oregon is blue so much, more because there’s a level of insanity I can’t handle. A principal of my kids school equated dead naming a trans child to my kid having a new name out of fear their biological parents would find and kill them. Further, my 9 year old at the time resented my wife and I for weeks because we both have diesel vehicles and that’s bad for the environment.

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Here’s Ogden. Utah is really a great state.

Here’s Redmond and just outside of Redmond.

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Your situation sounds similar to mine a few years back. I ended up in Bozeman, MT. Great town (around 50k pop) with a ton of outdoor activities for families. Plus, the area’s booming with agriculture, so there might be some interesting job opportunities in that sector for you. Just a thought! Bozeman also has a great selection of portable toilets, including Princess Portable Toilets, which are perfect for any outdoor event.

@jshaving

Thanks for the thoughtful post.

You’ve definitely got the right idea as far as the geographical location I would like. If it were solely based on my personal preference, we would end up somewhere in ID, WY, MT, or maybe the Dakotas.

You were the only one to bring up weather so far, and that is a factor to consider. I’m actually not all that far from you, so our climate is pretty similar except we get a lot more tornado action than your area. I prefer the colder weather and want to stay in more northern latitudes if I can, but I know the wife feels otherwise. The south is least likely because of the miserable heat/humidity.

I am somewhat familiar with the twin cities and southern MN. My wife has family there. I was actually up at Mayo myself in May, and the wife and I were supposed to drive to Sioux Falls afterwards to spend the weekend and look around the area. However, we got a call from the grandmas saying my son had to take an ambulance ride to the ER due to an asthma attack, so we came home instead. Maybe it was a sign. Sioux Falls probably wouldn’t be all that different from where we are currently, except for a much larger population.

We have visited Cheyenne, and I have family in northern CO, so that is on the list of possibilities.

The only thing I have heard about Rapid City is it is higher in crime than the rest of SD, but I’ve never been there. Do you have experience otherwise?

I actually have done this. Along with using a bunch of other criteria, I whittled a long list down to about 15 or so cities throughout the country. I found a more comprehensive list of incorporated areas from census.gov and will be re-doing this exercise after the upcoming election.

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Probably. I like it, but like I said, it’s nearing or has reached 200k. I didn’t think that’s what you were looking for. There are two decent private universities in Sioux Falls, and the two largest state universities in SD are 1 hour south of Sioux Falls on I-29 and a half hour north on the same road. I think that makes it a good area if you happen to have college-aged kids who want options for where/what to study and also want to stay close to home. Just a thought that occured to me.

Family in southern MN and northern CO would be nice. I know a guy who moves a lot for his job and he said he always makes sure he can get to his dad within a day if something were to ever happen. I don’t know what his parameters are but I’m assuming 10-12 hours driving and near airports? Anyway, is being near family a goal of yours or just something that’d be nice?

I’ve spent a lot of time there. Both as a kid and an adult. I’ve never experienced or witnessed any crime. But I know it occurs. From my view, it seems to happen within the same places it happens everywhere else - in certain neighborhoods among certain groups of people (namely, poor people). But some of my family live in those neighborhoods and they freely send their kids to play outside and everything, and don’t seem worried about crime.

One area I would consider as far as crime is that Rapid City, like Billings, MT and some of the bigger towns in WY, is a relatively large urban area in the middle of nowhere and with nothing around it. That typically means it is where going to be a place where drugs come through on their way to all the small towns in the northern Midwest/Mountain states. Again, I haven’t personally been affected by this when I go there, but I think it’s just true of cities in the region.

If you found you liked the Rapid area, but didn’t want to be in town itself, you could go to Hill City, Hot Springs, Spearfish, etc. and live in a smaller town but still be close enough to go do your shopping in Rapid on the weekend.

This kind of blows mind. I suppose N and SW SF have blown up. There are/were some nice areas outside of the city like Tea/Hartford/Harrisburg/Brandon.

Nice clean downtown area, good airport, good jobs and close to major interstates.

Yeah it’s really blown up. I just googled it out of curiosity and it says Sioux Falls is 213k (121st most populated city in the country, lol) and the Sioux Falls Metro area is 276k. I’ve heard places like Tea are basically in SF now.

Did you live in the state or just spend some time here? Didn’t you say you had a relative in Ipswich once or something? (Can delete if you don’t want that posted.)

I have in laws in SF metro area. I lived there for a year, about 13ish years ago. The 2010 census had 150k people. Although, the way the city is laid out, it didn’t feel that big.

I really like Philips street downtown and what they’ve done on RR. Pretty cool vibe with good places to eat.

I just couldn’t stand the cold or I likely would have moved there again.

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Man, mentioning Philips has me wanting some food from downtown, haha. Now I’ll have to make it down there for a weekend sometime soon.

@LordofPillage, on second thought, if the chance ever arises again, do give Sioux Falls a visit. It is a nice city. Some have said one of the suburbs, Brandon, has one of the best public high schools in the state.

Spokane, WA
Court d’alene, ID
St. Thomas, UVI
Taos or Santa Fe, NM

Go to some liberal shit hole and start outbreeding them non contributors

For the record, I graduated from that high school. Take that for what you will.

Pros and cons from first hand experience is exactly what I wanted from this thread. So thank you.

Your views are certainly scenic. What state are you in if you don’t mind sharing? (no need to get more specific)

Ironically, Valparaiso was on my list for quite a while. I can’t remember which criterion eventually got it crossed off.

My cousin lived in Bloomington for a few years, so visiting them a couple times is my limited experience with Indiana. It was nice, but I assumed money from being a college town probably helped with that. The people were basic, pleasant, midwestern folk. We didn’t yet have kids then, so I wasn’t looking at the same things I am now.

I am under no illusion that my eventual choice of location will eliminate all poor life choices available to them. I know they’ll make stupid decisions, we all did. My only hope is to minimize exposure to the lowest tiers of their peers so that they have a chance to make it through to the other side as well-adjusted, functioning adults.

Like I said, financial status pending, I would like to send them all to private school. I am leaning towards the belief that money spent on a private elementary and high school education now, may actually be better than money saved for college later.

Basically, I can’t always control my children, but I can to a large degree control who their peers are, at least until mid-adolescence.

The other half of that is that college degrees need not be handed out to everyone, and my children will need to have a concrete plan for success in place before I shell out cash for them to spend 4+ years in a liberal indoctrination machine. I will gladly encourage them to pursue a trade or skill over “getting a degree”, as it has become massively devalued in just a couple generations.

I like your train of thought. I don’t think it is possible to put a price on the true value of private schools in 2024, at least when compared to many public school systems.

It’s sad and I wish it wasn’t the case, as I’m a big believer in the potential of public schools.