Fermi Scientist: 'We Live in a Hologram'

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Vegita wrote:

I can assure you it has nothing to do with air currents caused by temperature. If you don’t believe me, set it up and put a lighter or match where your hand would normally be. It won’t make the wheel turn, I have tried it. I have also dipped my hand in ice, and then done it with a cold hand, still works. Also at this point I can spin it without putting my hand near the device. I can sit comfortably 3 feet away at this point and with a handkerchief covering my face (so I don’t blow on it) still get it to spin.

I understand the concept behind ideomotor effects, but I don’t think it really has anything to do with this. Like I said, I have done all the debunking I could myself and to my standars, without high tech instramentation, I just can’t percieve how it works, but it does work.

V

If I didnt make it clear the first time, this is definitely something besides the ideomotor effect in action since no physical contact is being made with the object, the brain has no room to make imperceptible movements to make the paper spin.

The video link I posted definitely shows something going on besides a psi effect. There are other videos on youtube showing that a radiator can make the object spin as well. This does not rule out the possibility of there actually being a psi effect, but given that I’ve never, ever seen anything that even remotely resembles “psi” being a reality, I’m inclined to lean towards the air-current hypothesis or some other idea that does not include the “mind control” aspect.

Again, I am not ruling out the possibility that their is indeed an effect taking place between the brain and the object (We will call that “psi”), however I think there is something else at work that is more easily explainable by other, physical causes. You dipping your hands in ice actually would acheive the same effect as heating them since its the difference in temperatures between the air and your hands that creates the currents, not your hands being hot.

The whole setup of a super light, parachute shaped piece of paper perched precariously upon a toothpick just smacks of “something fishy” does it not? I want to see someone levitate a 45 pound plate (gotta keep it body building related, you know) or spin a Websters Dictionary around at will, maybe then I will be impressed… a quater ounce piece of paper spinning atop a tooth pick? Not terribly convincing in my opinion.[/quote]

Well now if I could levitate a 45lb plate, I don’t think i’d be sitting here in an insurance office talking about it online. No doubt the government would have me employed teaching others how to do it, or possibly just running a million tests on me. Also i’m pretty sure they would keep it very hush hush. They would also destroy any evidence including youtube or other internet clips of it being done.

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“don’t try to bend the spoon, thats impossible, meerly understand that there is no spoon”

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[quote]RickyRick wrote:
Can I just make it simple,
we used to believe that reality existed and our consciousness within that, but now quantum physics states… like that article states, that it’s that our consciousness exists and reality within that, our perception is what exists. since we’re on T-Nation (I’ll try and remain on the subject of strength), next time you lift heavy try and percieve the weight as light than it is, or try percieving yourself as stronger.[/quote]

Looks like the people who believe in telekenises may have been right

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

Well now if I could levitate a 45lb plate, I don’t think i’d be sitting here in an insurance office talking about it online. No doubt the government would have me employed teaching others how to do it, or possibly just running a million tests on me.

Also i’m pretty sure they would keep it very hush hush. They would also destroy any evidence including youtube or other internet clips of it being done.

V[/quote]

Right… And that is part of my point. The psi-wheel is an interesting experiment at best, in my opinion. There appear to be hundreds of people on youtube able to move this object, yet none of them have moved onward and upward to moving things that are:

1 - Heavy
2 - Not designed to catch air like a parachute
3 - Not balancing on the tip of a toothpick or thumb tack

Why arent any of them levitating the object? Why cant they move things thats arent designed to catch air? There are literally hundreds of users on YouTube moving this object with their minds, and none of them can produce genuine video’s of them moving an object that would actually be impressive.

Why dont people just make the next basic step and move the object off of the toothpick and onto the table?

Under the air-current hypothesis, or the static hypothesis, the object will fail to move due to friction. People with the power of telekinenis should be able to get it to spin around no problem. At least the people claiming to be “good” at it should.

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Vegita wrote:

Well now if I could levitate a 45lb plate, I don’t think i’d be sitting here in an insurance office talking about it online. No doubt the government would have me employed teaching others how to do it, or possibly just running a million tests on me.

Also i’m pretty sure they would keep it very hush hush. They would also destroy any evidence including youtube or other internet clips of it being done.

V

Right… And that is part of my point. The psi-wheel is an interesting experiment at best, in my opinion. There appear to be hundreds of people on youtube able to move this object, yet none of them have moved onward and upward to moving things that are:

1 - Heavy
2 - Not designed to catch air like a parachute
3 - Not balancing on the tip of a toothpick or thumb tack

Why arent any of them levitating the object? Why cant they move things thats arent designed to catch air? There are literally hundreds of users on YouTube moving this object with their minds, and none of them can produce genuine video’s of them moving an object that would actually be impressive.

Why dont people just make the next basic step and move the object off of the toothpick and onto the table?

Under the air-current hypothesis, or the static hypothesis, the object will fail to move due to friction. People with the power of telekinenis should be able to get it to spin around no problem. At least the people claiming to be “good” at it should.[/quote]

To be honest I have seen a few videos where a lighter was levitated, I have also seen someone roll a soda can back and forth on the kitchen table. Obviously the soda can doesn’t roll downhill two ways, so it’s impressive. The lighter one was the sweetest, but again, on a youtube video, it’s pretty easy for anyone to call bullshit.

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Vegita, it appears as though we are winding down in our little discussion here, but I’m glad we had it. You seem to have a healthy dose of skepticism in you, which many people lack. Many people would not “test” things the way you have done.

It should be noted that the James Randi Educational Foundation (www.randi.org) will pay out the sum of 1 Million Dollars to anyone who can demonstrate genuine psychic abilities under appropriate test conditions. The psi-wheel would no doubt fall under that category as he has spoken about it before.

Just a thought.

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[quote]yorik wrote:
One of the problems in understanding these theories is our very ego-centric viewpoint. If the universe (as we know it) exists because of thought, it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s our brain’s thoughts, nor does it mean it’s somebody else’s.

It could very well mean that we exist elsewhere, and this body is merely a physical manifestation that allows our other selves to interact with this 3d universe. BTW, there’s nothing “new age” about that. That’s a millennium old belief.

I think the hologram analogy is seriously flawed. Yes, you can capture the information about a 3d scene on a 2d piece of film by the interference of 2 coherent light sources. A smaller dimension can capture the description of a higher dimension. No, you cannot recreate that scene at all. All you can do is recreate a simulation of the scene.

The scene is limited to the color of the lasers, and only exists as a perception of the information in the interference pattern, a 3d image. In fact, you must look at the hologram to see the image, and the image appears to be on the other side. You can’t touch it; it isn’t real.

That said, it is possible that the physical universe as we can perceive it is the result of interacting waveforms, possibly based on the proton vibrating frequency. In that case, we are living inside the hologram itself and can’t perceive the higher dimensionality, due to limitations of our physical universe.

All we can perceive is the medium holding the information and can’t see what the hologram represents.

There is a theory of quantum consciousness that suggests the proximity of the synapses in the brain allows them to interact with quantum processes. (That does explain why sometimes the neurons fire spontaneously.) If so, then our brains might be a physical interface allowing some form of interaction with quantum processes, perhaps a consciousness that exists at different, higher dimensions.

We better figure this all out before 2012. LOL![/quote]

Do you have a phd in theoretical physics?