Feminization of Men

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The one thing I can say is that I think the trend is reversing a bit- people are getting tired of the meterosexuals and all that. Being tougher is starting to seperate us from the crowd, and the women are beginning to like old school guys again I believe.

The pendulum will swing back…and then hopefully break and fall off.[/quote]

I agree, these things work in cycles just like everything else. There is no broader implication for society here. I think every generation had its share of “girly” guys and “manly” guys. It all balances out in the end.

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[quote]vulcan500rider wrote:
LOL. Go easy. I’m in the middle of writing a term paper that should have been handed in on Monday.
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And there you have it. Yet another College Kid acting like his worthless opinion makes a shit’s worth of difference.

That tells me more about you than the gigabytes of space you will take up with your idiotic ramblings.

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Vulcan,
It would benefit you observe groups of pre-school boys and girls playing before thinking that the only differences between the sexes is reproductive parts and distribution of muscle mass.

The boys (virtually always) will be louder, more agressive, more daring, risk taking, more boisterous, etc. To think that is learned rather than wired in takes too much imagination. Are we supposed to think the very first man acted “manly”, and all generations have merely followed suit? I agree that there have been dandies and sissies for centuries, but they have hardly been the majority. According to history, men have always acted like… well,men.

I for one am happy about the differences between men and women, have no desire for my wife to be ‘one of the guys’, and generally look with distaste on both sissy men and test fueled women.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
vulcan500rider wrote:
LOL. Go easy. I’m in the middle of writing a term paper that should have been handed in on Monday.

And there you have it. Yet another College Kid acting like his worthless opinion makes a shit’s worth of difference.

That tells me more about you than the gigabytes of space you will take up with your idiotic ramblings.

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Then we’re well paired to be arguing, as you’re coming across as another red-neck, know-it-all asshole with no interest in learning new things that might conflict with his infinitely small paradigm. Go back and stick your head in the sand…maybe it will all go away.

Some of us actually have an interest in the world around us that supersedes our own self-centered attitude. While it may be enough for you to take up oxygen in this world, eat, shit, and breed, some of us would like to actually further the human race. Whether my opinion makes any difference or not is irrelevant. I TRY to understand and improve the world around me. What the hell do you do?

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Also remember we have been her before.

Any one remeber the 80’s?

Big hair, make-up, Girl pants.

What once was old is now new. The whole trend is cyclical. Although I don’t want to be around when it happens again.

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a lot of good points brought up. As far as a large war, the military has a lot going on in Afghanistan and Iraq. The army could use the help, but I don’t think that metrosexuals would do very well with a draft. We really don’t need that many more dead Americans.

And being in the military I already have enough experience dealing with these guys who are afraid to get a little dirt on their hands. Too afraid to actually do some work. And yes, I am posting this from Iraq. As far as saying that boys and girls are born the same. That isn’t really true. I was just reading an article on this website the other day that said baby boys 4-6 months old have spikes in their testosterone levels similar to that of a male during puberty. It said this was for the masculinazation of the brain. I think I would still call a 6 month old a baby.

Men and women took on different roles in history, because that was a requirement for the species to survive. Men and women are very different, and not just because of nurture. You can nurture a man into being a fag, but it is a lot easier to teach them to be a man.

I am tired of how our society wants to glamourize being a fag/metro. It is absolutely discusting.

College kids really do think they know a lot. Too much theory and not enough experience. This metro (vulcan) needs to leave his American Eagle friends alone and see what real men do. Go hang out with some blue collar guys who actually work. Leave planet fitness and workout at a real gym. Just try to get a grip on reality. I know you are surrounded by metros all day. But, the world doesn’t need any more fags/metros. That is why we have women. Women get there eyebrows waxed, not men.

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[quote]derek wrote:
I cannot mention names but… My wife and I had invited “someone male” over for, get this, a (free) steak dinner from the backyard grill. This “person” declined. His excuse? “I’m getting my eyebrows waxed”. Can you freakin’ believe a steak dinner turned down for an eyebrow wax appointment?

I see a bad moon risin’[/quote]

He should get his ass beat for that one.

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[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Not all American men are becoming pussies. That’s fucking nonsense. The reality is that manly men aren’t auditioning for movies. How does that not follow?

Think back to your highschool drama club. Yea. It’s those guys that are auditioning for movies.[/quote]

hahahhahahaa, so true!

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[quote]vulcan500rider wrote:
MaloVerde wrote:
vulcan500rider wrote:
I’m sure I’m going to get flamed for this, but some of it has to be said.

I’m an English major, and I specialize in gender theory (no, I’m straight as an arrow) The whole idea surrounding gender theory is to examine the roles we’re forced into so that we can CHOOSE to do things, not be unconsciously FORCED into things by the roles society puts on us.

Flame, if you will, but THINK.

Cheers.

My only flame to you is that you proclaim to be an English major, but feel it’s acceptable to use the word “unconsciously”, instead of “sub-consciously”.

LOL. Go easy. I’m in the middle of writing a term paper that should have been handed in on Monday. You’re right, though. In that context, subconsciously would have fit better, though both are valid words.

Unconsciously means that you’re unaware of it on any level, while subconsciously would mean that you DO realize something is wrong, but it’s not in the conscious part of the brain…Hmm…Maybe it differs from person to person…lol[/quote]

Your problem is you’re still writing term papers.

There are physiological differences between men’s brains and women’s brains, along with differences in relation to androgens and so on.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
rainjack wrote:

Bullshit. Men are men. Women are women.

They act, react, smell, look, touch, feel, and taste differently. They always have. They always will To assume you can deconstruct thousands of years of this fact to justify the metrosexual fad is utter stupidity, or at the very least extremely conceited.

As for the survival thing - you are basing your assumptions upon heavily populated areas. That’s the problem with assuming.

We never bought our son a toy gun. Yet, he made his own guns with sticks.

You will have to prove that the basic differences in the sexes is not genetic before I will by your junk science hypothesis.

Exactly.

Some just can’t fucking admit this.[/quote]

True.

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[quote]PaulR wrote:
a lot of good points brought up. As far as a large war, the military has a lot going on in Afghanistan and Iraq. The army could use the help, but I don’t think that metrosexuals would do very well with a draft. We really don’t need that many more dead Americans.

And being in the military I already have enough experience dealing with these guys who are afraid to get a little dirt on their hands. Too afraid to actually do some work. And yes, I am posting this from Iraq. As far as saying that boys and girls are born the same. That isn’t really true. I was just reading an article on this website the other day that said baby boys 4-6 months old have spikes in their testosterone levels similar to that of a male during puberty. It said this was for the masculinazation of the brain. I think I would still call a 6 month old a baby.

Men and women took on different roles in history, because that was a requirement for the species to survive. Men and women are very different, and not just because of nurture. You can nurture a man into being a fag, but it is a lot easier to teach them to be a man.

I am tired of how our society wants to glamourize being a fag/metro. It is absolutely discusting.

College kids really do think they know a lot. Too much theory and not enough experience. This metro (vulcan) needs to leave his American Eagle friends alone and see what real men do. Go hang out with some blue collar guys who actually work. Leave planet fitness and workout at a real gym. Just try to get a grip on reality. I know you are surrounded by metros all day. But, the world doesn’t need any more fags/metros. That is why we have women. Women get there eyebrows waxed, not men.[/quote]

It’s funny how often those that have no real stance or basis in fact resort to ad hominem (personal) attack. Frankly, I’m not a metro, and I hang out largely with weightlifters. None of us gives two shits about what brand of clothes we wear, nor do we go to Planet Fitness. As for blue collar, I spend my summers doing construction, drywall, stucco, and misc renovation. I know exactly what blue collar work is like, because I use the wages I earn from blue collar work to pay for my living expenses and tuition.

As for women being the ones to get eyebrows waxed, I would argue against their gender role too–Why the hell should they have to get them waxed just b/c they’re women?

Remove head from rectum, then type.

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[quote]combatwombat wrote:
Also remember we have been her before.

Any one remeber the 80’s?

Big hair, make-up, Girl pants.

What once was old is now new. The whole trend is cyclical. Although I don’t want to be around when it happens again. [/quote]

I don’t know i’m kinda waiting to see what happens when grunge comes back!

This was a very interesting book on the topic. I don’t agree with his views on sport but very interesting none the less…
Continue, continue!

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[quote]vulcan500rider wrote:
As for women being the ones to get eyebrows waxed, I would argue against their gender role too–Why the hell should they have to get them waxed just b/c they’re women?[/quote]

Are you kidding? Nobody HAS to do shit like this. It’s a choice.

My buddy told me he won’t date a women that doesn’t do it. That’s his choice too.

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Vulcan,

I do not agree with a number of your statements.

“I’m an English major, and I specialize in gender theory (no, I’m straight as an arrow) The whole idea surrounding gender theory is to examine the roles we’re forced into so that we can CHOOSE to do things, not be unconsciously FORCED into things by the roles society puts on us.”

I think forced is not the correct word here. Nobody is forced to do shit. Society may be influential, but you make it seem like free will is nonexistent.

"Translation: “The beauty of academia is that we can start from a conclusion and work backward. It is MUCH easier than honestly confronting issues.”

Even better…it actually WORKS. Think technology for example, how much of it is reverse engineering (taking a finished product and deconstructing it in order to find out how it works) It’s impossible to start from the beginning with gender, because it has been existing and mutating for so long…"

I don’t follow your analogy on technology. How much of it is reverse engineering…? You really can’t reverse engineer something that has not already been designed and created by an engineer, that is unless you’re from China (notorious for ripping off US tech. by reverse engineering products.)

"Then we’re well paired to be arguing, as you’re coming across as another red-neck, know-it-all asshole with no interest in learning new things that might conflict with his infinitely small paradigm. Go back and stick your head in the sand…maybe it will all go away.

Some of us actually have an interest in the world around us that supersedes our own self-centered attitude. While it may be enough for you to take up oxygen in this world, eat, shit, and breed, some of us would like to actually further the human race. Whether my opinion makes any difference or not is irrelevant. I TRY to understand and improve the world around me. What the hell do you do?"

The previous two paragraphs more or less highlight my real problem with you. It is most likely because I lack understanding, so if you could answer some questions for me I would be quite pleased. I am always very curious; I enjoy learning new things. What is it that you do that is valuable for society? What about your work is going to make a difference? What effect will it have on the populace when you tell people these things about gender?
My problem is that I don’t understand what it is that you do that make you more than a pair of idle hands. How are you going to further the human race; how are you going to make the world a better place? And better for whom…for you and your colleagues?

As for the Stallone thing, screw Vin Diesel. Send Stallone a pic of CT; Vin Diesel is just a less jacked version of CT anyway!

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[quote]vulcan500rider wrote:
I think you missed the point that it’s NOT about biology. Men and women have a few different chromosomes, but that is an issue of sex, NOT gender. Gender is a social construction created through interaction with others…[/quote]

Just to poke my nose in: without sex there is no gender construct. To argue that the chromosomal basis of sex differences has “minimal” effect on gender is ridiculous. They do not function independently of one another.

This is not “proof” of anything by any stretch of the imagination. The proportion of 17th century males who were poncey wig-wearing, make-up wearing dandys may have been perhaps 1-5% of all the European (of whom I assume you are referring) men. The other 95-99% of the European men were either large, muscular manly-men toiling the fields 16 hours a day in service to those few of extreme wealth, or disease-ridden malnourished poor of the cities. You simply posited a Euro-centric class-based generalization masked as argument rather than any useful statement about gender.

These are the oddest two sentences I’ve seen next to each other in a long time.

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[quote]vulcan500rider wrote:
PaulR wrote:
a lot of good points brought up. As far as a large war, the military has a lot going on in Afghanistan and Iraq. The army could use the help, but I don’t think that metrosexuals would do very well with a draft. We really don’t need that many more dead Americans.

And being in the military I already have enough experience dealing with these guys who are afraid to get a little dirt on their hands. Too afraid to actually do some work. And yes, I am posting this from Iraq. As far as saying that boys and girls are born the same. That isn’t really true. I was just reading an article on this website the other day that said baby boys 4-6 months old have spikes in their testosterone levels similar to that of a male during puberty. It said this was for the masculinazation of the brain. I think I would still call a 6 month old a baby.

Men and women took on different roles in history, because that was a requirement for the species to survive. Men and women are very different, and not just because of nurture. You can nurture a man into being a fag, but it is a lot easier to teach them to be a man.

I am tired of how our society wants to glamourize being a fag/metro. It is absolutely discusting.

College kids really do think they know a lot. Too much theory and not enough experience. This metro (vulcan) needs to leave his American Eagle friends alone and see what real men do. Go hang out with some blue collar guys who actually work. Leave planet fitness and workout at a real gym. Just try to get a grip on reality. I know you are surrounded by metros all day. But, the world doesn’t need any more fags/metros. That is why we have women. Women get there eyebrows waxed, not men.

It’s funny how often those that have no real stance or basis in fact resort to ad hominem (personal) attack. Frankly, I’m not a metro, and I hang out largely with weightlifters. None of us gives two shits about what brand of clothes we wear, nor do we go to Planet Fitness. As for blue collar, I spend my summers doing construction, drywall, stucco, and misc renovation. I know exactly what blue collar work is like, because I use the wages I earn from blue collar work to pay for my living expenses and tuition.

As for women being the ones to get eyebrows waxed, I would argue against their gender role too–Why the hell should they have to get them waxed just b/c they’re women?

Remove head from rectum, then type.[/quote]

damn college punk. what the fuck does an english major teach you about biology or history?

boys are boys, and girls are girls! they have done the experiments, nurture vs nature, nature always wins. heard the little story about the boy who was raised as a girl (even had his penis made into a vagina) who still portrayed all of the typical male characteristics?

if your college teachings change your whole world view on a subject maybe your jackass lecturer is just promoting his half-baked theory. listen to the people here who have a life of experience behind them, who have been through several “gender phases” and have raised kids themselves.

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[quote]vulcan500rider wrote:
Then we’re well paired to be arguing, as you’re coming across as another red-neck, know-it-all asshole with no interest in learning new things that might conflict with his infinitely small paradigm. Go back and stick your head in the sand…maybe it will all go away. [/quote]

No. You are a self-worshipping punk assed kid. I have a graduate degree. I have actually done things in my life besides spend mommy and daddy’s money, and read books.

You evidently think that the latter makes you more intelligent. In reality - it makes you even more ignorant than you were before ploopping Daddy’s Visa down and the registrar’s desk.

Do they teach you to be a racist piece of shit, or is that a genetic defect you have?

Please…what in the fuck do you do besides go to school? You are not worth the carbon that was wasted to form you.

You go to school. Don’t you dare question what I contribute to society while you sit in a dorm room paid for by your parents, and thinking you are on a higher plane of consciousness.

But since you asked - I am the owner of two highly successful businesses, and am about to start up two more. I am the father of two kids, own my house outright, and am married to the greatest woman on the face of the planet.

I don’t spend my free time making excuses for the metrosexuals. I try to figure out as many ways as possible to move to the next tax bracket. And I train.

Now - shove your racist bullshit up your ass. I don’t get fighting mad over very many things, but you making racist remarks from behind the safety of your keyboard is probably the most pathetic ploy one could use.

Now - don’t you have a fucking term paper that’s due, Sparky?

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[quote]AllTraps wrote:
Although he wouldn’t fit Jason Stratham (Crank, Transporter, and Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels) doesn’t fit this category. This dude is bad-ass.
Hell, even when he’s playing a sissy (London - great movie), he’s still tough.

Maybe girly-man Orlando Bloom could work?! He was “buff” in Troy, wasn’t he? HAHA[/quote]

he used to be a black market runner. of course he’s bad ass.

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[quote]John S. wrote:
bluepulse wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hahaha. Well, Sly said it right.

We need another big war or something to beat “The Gay” out of guys…

The one thing I can say is that I think the trend is reversing a bit- people are getting tired of the meterosexuals and all that. Being tougher is starting to seperate us from the crowd, and the women are beginning to like old school guys again I believe.

The pendulum will swing back…and then hopefully break and fall off.
Bring back the draft and rid ourselves of this “Pussification of America” I think every American male should at least complete Basic Training. You’ll learn survival, cpr,discipline,organization, and respect.

I agree.[/quote]

Thats the most rediculis thing Ive ever read.

Ever.