Why don’t you read the Bible again. Try the commandments. Try Thou Shalt Not commit adultery.
Goddamn.
I’m still not seeing how this is any more prevalent than it ever was.
My father was one of those types that smacked you and said, “Walk it off”. That’s how I’ll be one day.
There aren’t more pussies out there today than there ever were. If there are, by some chance, it is a product of having an easy life where we don’t have to worry about being annihilated, as most cultures have in the history of the world. It might get worse before it gets better, but when the time comes, men will deal with it.
Although the more I look around, the more I wonder…would a bird flu really be such a bad thing?
[quote]PGJ wrote:
AlbertaBeef wrote:
When people sue their school districts because their child was “forced” to read something from the bible…
So you’d be fine with your children being forced to read from the Koran and to pray to Allah five times a day?
Beef
I didn’t say anything about forced prayer. Show me where someone was FORCED to pray. And no, I wouldn’t have a problem with my child reading passages from the Koran as long as it’s presented as a literature, not scripture. Listen, young man. You don’t have kids and are unqualified to question my views. When you grow up and have kids of your own, I GUARANTEE your opinion will change.
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LOL
The other thing I was thinking is that the pussified men will not rise at all, simply because you beat them down with all the bullshit. However, they will see the tough guys rise and lead, and they’ll emulate this; like Corporal Upham in Saving Private Ryan. Starts out as a pussy, but he sees what wins wars, and it ain’t his attitude.
I wasn’t taught jack shit about being a man. I’m living proof that if you leave nature to it’s biz, you get a 100% bonified male!
I wasn’t taught to be tough, I became tough.
My highschool has a near ridiculous double standard. The books we read in english are classics, or have female main characters. They portray feminism, and then we spend hours discussing sexism agianst women that just isn’t in the text. I am one of few who stand up to this, stating exactly what I think about it. It’s gotten me in trouble, I’ve been yelled at and given detention for speaking what every guy in the room is thinking.
“This book is horrible.” ~Me
“Well, Andrew, all of these people seem to like it.” ~Teacher
“uh… duh. Of course they do. There girls.” ~ME
“What was that!?!?!?” ~ Teacher
“… Their feminine, this is a feminine book. It’s boring, has no character development or plot, and makes no sense. It was written as an essay in order to prove a point: girls are “oppressed” in society. Why the hell would I, or any real male, like this piece of garbage” ~Me
Got me 2 detentions, and hero worship status among my male, and many female peers. Made statements like this over and over, constantly critisizing everything that was wrong in our school. My grades did not suffer, and I’m still one of the top four students in my class. However: I have recieved a hero-like status, especially in my english classes, for standing up when no one else wants to say how shity something is.
Real men aren’t dead, they’re just to afraid that if they stand up, they’ll have their balls chopped off.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The other thing I was thinking is that the pussified men will not rise at all, simply because you beat them down with all the bullshit. However, they will see the tough guys rise and lead, and they’ll emulate this; like Corporal Upham in Saving Private Ryan. Starts out as a pussy, but he sees what wins wars, and it ain’t his attitude.
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Upham should’ve been been shot. Sure he finally manned up at the end and shot the dude he begged to let go, but he froze like a pussy and let his buddy get knifed by the German while he sobbed. Sorry, that part of the movie just pissed me off.
Andy Griffith portrayed a good father figure. It’s a balance between being tough when needed and compassionate as well.
D
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
I wasn’t taught jack shit about being a man. I’m living proof that if you leave nature to it’s biz, you get a 100% bonified male!
I wasn’t taught to be tough, I became tough.
My highschool has a near ridiculous double standard. The books we read in english are classics, or have female main characters. They portray feminism, and then we spend hours discussing sexism agianst women that just isn’t in the text. I am one of few who stand up to this, stating exactly what I think about it. It’s gotten me in trouble, I’ve been yelled at and given detention for speaking what every guy in the room is thinking.
“This book is horrible.” ~Me
“Well, Andrew, all of these people seem to like it.” ~Teacher
“uh… duh. Of course they do. There girls.” ~ME
“What was that!?!?!?” ~ Teacher
“… Their feminine, this is a feminine book. It’s boring, has no character development or plot, and makes no sense. It was written as an essay in order to prove a point: girls are “oppressed” in society. Why the hell would I, or any real male, like this piece of garbage” ~Me
Got me 2 detentions, and hero worship status among my male, and many female peers. Made statements like this over and over, constantly critisizing everything that was wrong in our school. My grades did not suffer, and I’m still one of the top four students in my class. However: I have recieved a hero-like status, especially in my english classes, for standing up when no one else wants to say how shity something is.
Real men aren’t dead, they’re just to afraid that if they stand up, they’ll have their balls chopped off.[/quote]
Exactly how you have to go about fighting the (wo)man.
I’m going to have to share some experiences from my own life about developing as a man. I don’t know if I am one yet, but as of now, I know I’m a good person thanks to many different things.
First, I was mainly raised by nannies and stuff as both my parents worked full time from like age 2 until grade 6. I don’t know what effect this had on me, but I know we had a couple that I liked, because they understood to let me be me, and well, that was really cool, fortunately one who we had for the longest like 2-3 years was one of the cool ones.
I had all female teachers until grade 5. I was punished for like everything I did weather it was deserved or not. Like one time, I got in trouble because no one could save on thier c: disks because I used the little tab to lock them all. Some piece of shit told on me, and I had to do some BS about being on the wall at recess. One of my friends who was a guy got yelled at by the teacher next door in fourth grade for drawing on his hand, saying he can get ink poisoning. His responce “sooo?” he ended up on the wall with me at recess… luckily for me in fifth grade I had a guy teacher who was very cool, and actually taught me how to write pretty well and everything. Best teacher I’ve ever had for class. Still.
Sixth grade things got rocky between my parents, and they started the work on the divorce, making the house an awful place to be, my mom was in a depresson for 4-5 months, barely ever leaving her bedroom. My grades sucked, so I got sent away to hebrew---- er private school in the rich town over. That was an interesting experience, as I fought the man there! I hated it so much, but I got babied by my parents from sixth grade on because they were afraid to make me dislike them during the divorce. So I ended up crying going to school some mornings, I don’t really know why or how, but it just sucked so bad. My dad would give into it and we’d spend time parked somewhere talking or whatever for a while. Don’t remember much else from there.
I just graduated four years from an all boys boarding school. I swear, this school should be sponsored by T-Nation or something! They like to say it’s where boys become men, and it’s so true!
I’ve also played hockey all my life, so that’s what’s made me tough I imagine.
That’s my story, hopefully there will be some points I added to the topic, weather it’s bad parenting, or schooling, I think I turned out alright.
[quote]hockechamp14 wrote:
I just graduated four years from an all boys boarding school. I swear, this school should be sponsored by T-Nation or something! They like to say it’s where boys become men, and it’s so true!
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Boys only boarding school is awesome. Spent 2.5 years at one before I moved to the states. You will not get put down for being masculine there (but you will get disciplined if you break the rules)
Re: they don’t allow rough housing in school anymore issue, boys should be boys and fool around, etc.
You must realize there are insurance issues if and when children get hurt, as well as potential lawsuits.
There may also be bullying going on which is not good.
Personally, I let the boys fool around for a LITTLE bit if I know the students and am sure there is no bullying, and if they are sufficiently separated from girls and students who are not involved.
Damn, this is a good thread; nice discussion everyone.
I’ve enjoyed this thread.
I used to frequent a bulletin board where mothers thought their kids should be raised gender neutral. Even going so far as to buy ONLY neutral colored clothing for them and no gender specific toys were allowed in the house. And may God have mercy on the soul who buys the female child a barbie doll!
Anyone want to throw up yet? I know I do.
My daughter has cars. My son has a couple dolls. But they frequently don’t play w/ those toys.
My daughter is 4 and plays w/ the dolls, princess clothes, barbies, and pink purses. She likes to do her makeup in the bathroom mirror and pretend to play house and dress up.
My son is 6 yrs old and plays w/ his cars (and his sister’s), his superhero costumes, his video games, and he is constantly fashioning a sword from something. Last week he recieved his 2nd set of stitches because he tried to jump from the glass coffee table to the couch. He didn’t make it. Neither did my table.
His dolls usually end up being played w/ by my daughter or tossed in his toy box.
Boys are different from girls and nothing will ever change that.
I LIKE when Max goes out and jumps in a mud puddle. I can’t say I like that he gets stitches because, really, who wants that? But the fact that he’s gonna have all these cool scars to tell his friends about kind of makes me a little bit proud because he’s a BOY, doggone it, and he’s got the scars to prove it! (I could do w/o the occasional heart attack, however.)
I also like that my girl is so GIRLY. I wasn’t like that till I was a teenager, so watching this in a 4 yr old is amusing. She also rough houses w/ my son and asks to go to the gym w/ daddy whenever she can, but she’s definitely very gender specific - she is a GIRL.
This gender neutrality thing is bizarre. It just is.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
Listen, young man. You don’t have kids and are unqualified to question my views. When you grow up and have kids of your own, I GUARANTEE your opinion will change.
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Wow. You defended your argument with an ad hominem attack. You must feel so…?
[quote]PGJ wrote:
Gee, that’s great. Honor, courage, dedication, dependability, mental and physical strength…these are the traits that make a good soldier. Is this not what we should pass on to our sons? War is not just about simple slaughter. You make it sound like all anyone learns in war is bloodlust. But why didn’t we see this phenomenon after the Civil War where twice as many American men died as in WWII? Or after WWI or the Revolutionary War? I whole-heartedly reject this theory. Mankind has been at war since cavemen figured out that you could hit someone over the head with a rock and take his food. If this theory is true, it should have happened a looooonnng time ago.
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They also learn about raping 14 year old girls and murdering their families. Yay, war! Let’s have more! 
[quote]Finalyear wrote:
Why don’t you read the Bible again. Try the commandments. Try Thou Shalt Not commit adultery. [/quote]
I’m assuming this was directed at me.
Adultery would be sex between a married person and another person to whom they are not married.
Find me the place in the bible where it prohibits sex between two unmarried people.
All the “Sex BAD!” parts are in the old testament. You know, where the Israelites kidnap a bunch of “women-children” to “keep for themselves”.
Beef
I had a conversation w/ an assistant superintendant of a school district in Washington state and he said that the dirty secret in eduction today was the drop in test scores across the board in boys. He believes its because boys aren’t allowed to be boys.
[quote]AlbertaBeef wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Gee, that’s great. Honor, courage, dedication, dependability, mental and physical strength…these are the traits that make a good soldier. Is this not what we should pass on to our sons? War is not just about simple slaughter. You make it sound like all anyone learns in war is bloodlust. But why didn’t we see this phenomenon after the Civil War where twice as many American men died as in WWII? Or after WWI or the Revolutionary War? I whole-heartedly reject this theory. Mankind has been at war since cavemen figured out that you could hit someone over the head with a rock and take his food. If this theory is true, it should have happened a looooonnng time ago.
They also learn about raping 14 year old girls and murdering their families. Yay, war! Let’s have more! :D[/quote]
WTF are you talking about? You’ve never served a day in the military, but you know what it’s all about, right? Don’t you have a test to study for or something?
[quote]AlbertaBeef wrote:
Finalyear wrote:
Why don’t you read the Bible again. Try the commandments. Try Thou Shalt Not commit adultery.
I’m assuming this was directed at me.
Adultery would be sex between a married person and another person to whom they are not married.
Find me the place in the bible where it prohibits sex between two unmarried people.
All the “Sex BAD!” parts are in the old testament. You know, where the Israelites kidnap a bunch of “women-children” to “keep for themselves”.
Beef[/quote]
The apostle Paul said that total abstenance, like himself, was best, but that if a man could not fight the urge that he should get married first. Just one example.
[quote]AG1 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
AG1 wrote:
As a mother of two five year old boys I realize boys are boys are boys. I cherish the fact that I have boys. I love when they do ‘boy things’. But I see this as not being the norm even among my friends. Especially if women have girls first…especially then. In fact, I’ve had this conversation with friends of mine who only have boys as well. Is it bad to say we secretly get excited when they get caught doing something exceptionally boyish? Boys get dirty, throw dirt, stomp in puddles and stick their hands down their pants. At least mine do.
Good to have a Mom’s input. One of the biggest problems I see with boys and their mothers (and this is my perspective as a youth sports coach for 5 years) is that EVERY TIME the kids crys, there’s Mom to hug him and baby him. I suppose it’s a Mom thing. It’s not bad, but sometimes you have to make your kids shake it off. There’s a difference in real pain and just a little scared. A parent can tell the difference. I know it’s hard as a mom, but sometimes you need to just let him figure it out and don’t go running onto the field everytime he trips and gets a boo-boo. Dealing with physical pain is all part of growing up. Moms are the exact opposite. I’m 36 and my Mom is still worried about me hurting myself in the gym.
When one of my players gets a non-serious injury and is crying, I always try to make a joke. If they hurt their arm I shake it a little and say “does this hurt?” Then I do something funny like stick it straight up in the air and ask if it hurts (it never does and the kid is starting to laugh a little). Then I yell to the assistant coach “go get the knife, I think we have to amputate!”. That normally gets the kid laughing out loud and back in the game.
Great points. I’m sympathtic but only to the actual degree needed. I’ve definately pulled the “Do we need to see the doctor” statement. Works everytime. I think have two boys similar in age helps then to brush things off. That and to not ‘mother hover’. Got that term from a friend. Many women these days feel the need to entertain their children 100% of the time but that could be another thread.[/quote]
“Mother Hover”…I like it. That’s exactly what soooooo many mom’s do. They follow their kids around constantly, pick them up when they fall, hug and kiss when they cry.
[quote]AlbertaBeef wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Listen, young man. You don’t have kids and are unqualified to question my views. When you grow up and have kids of your own, I GUARANTEE your opinion will change.
Wow. You defended your argument with an ad hominem attack. You must feel so…?[/quote]
Yes, I don’t need an 18 year old telling me about raising children. When I was a teenager, I thought I had everything figured out. Then every year after that I realized how stupid I really was. Stick to what you know, and you don’t know kids.
Right. Since I don’t have kids, I’m not allowed to criticize the idea that we should have PRAYER in SCHOOLS. Good one.
Beef